Whitehouse.gov Responds to Petition to Legalize Marijuana - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33019638]Then why is suicide illegal?[/QUOTE] "X should not be illegal because it's not the government's concern." "Then why is Y similar issue illegal?" Because the government does not understand its legitimate role.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026711]I like how people like you use this as an argument to legalize marijuana. If anything, it's an argument to ban alcohol. It's childish to say, "but theeeeeyyyy get to do X, why can't I do Y!" I think it should be legalized, but arguments such as this only serve to hurt your side.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying, if you're going to do one, do all or nothing at all, especially when one is consistently proven to be dangerous while the other is not. I don't want alcohol banned, it's nobody's business to tell someone else what they're allowed to consume, but it is once they start affecting others.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026711]I like how people like you use this as an argument to legalize marijuana. If anything, it's an argument to ban alcohol. It's childish to say, "but theeeeeyyyy get to do X, why can't I do Y!" I think it should be legalized, but arguments such as this only serve to hurt your side.[/QUOTE] It's a legitimate argument. If weed doesn't do this, what is the reasoning behind banning it? It's like if, in a purely hypothetical situation, red ties were banned even though there is no negative effects of wearing one. However, black ties are perfectly legal despite (and again, this is hypothetical) making you, say, crash your car. Why should the red tie be banned when the black tie has more negative effects?

[QUOTE=Cone;33026925]It's a legitimate argument. If weed doesn't do this, what is the reasoning behind banning it? It's like if, in a purely hypothetical situation, red ties were banned even though there is no negative effects of wearing one. However, black ties are perfectly legal despite (and again, this is hypothetical) making you, say, crash your car. Why should the red tie be banned when the black tie has more negative effects?[/QUOTE] Again, it all goes back to being a childish argument. Not to mention saying "weed doesn't do this" is illogical. Weed also isn't a weapon intended to kill large groups of people like machine guns. What's your point?

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;33017258]PLEASE tell me your either 12 or joking.[/QUOTE] From that avatar I can tell he is dead serious.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026968]Again, it all goes back to being a childish argument.[/QUOTE] You sound like someone who was raised to believe that questioning the established order of things is childish.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026968]Again, it all goes back to being a childish argument. Not to mention saying "weed doesn't do this" is illogical. Weed also isn't a weapon intended to kill large groups of people like machine guns. What's your point?[/QUOTE] machine guns aren't a mind-altering substance, whereas both alcohol and marijuana are?

They spend all this money on the war on drugs when it should be going elsewhere. Cannabis generally makes you relaxed and happy, alcohol on the other hand causes people to be stupid and violent. I read an article about Haarlem, in which the police said they didn't worry about coffee shops, but only the alcohol establishments. Those who are uneducated on marijuana should watch The Union. It's long, but it reveals the truth about it. [img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpwe9oEXk31qchnreo1_500.jpg[/img]

anytime someone mentions the 'war on drugs' it just reminds me of this scene in the wire [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXUqJC3rXV0[/media]

It makes me wonder what the hell they were on when they wrote this. Marijuana is great for getting your mind off things. I have heard (and slightly agree) that your body can form a dependence on it, and stop producing endorphins, meaning once you don't smoke for a day you may feel a little run-down. But this isn't a big deal, in regards to the fact there are so more deadlier things. And I don't know what the hell. They treat marijuana as more of an issue than alcohol is, or atleast the ignore the fact that alcohol is legalized, but not marijuana. And attempting to stop "drug supply" in communities isn't working. I know more than three people I can buy from, no problem.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026711]I like how people like you use this as an argument to legalize marijuana. If anything, it's an argument to ban alcohol. It's childish to say, "but theeeeeyyyy get to do X, why can't I do Y!" I think it should be legalized, but arguments such as this only serve to hurt your side.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026968]Again, it all goes back to being a childish argument. Not to mention saying "weed doesn't do this" is illogical. Weed also isn't a weapon intended to kill large groups of people like machine guns. What's your point?[/QUOTE] holy shit, you're actually making a rehashed argument based on something you read on cracked.com [img]http://i.imgur.com/wM5oH.png[/img] this guy screams credibility, maybe i should cite the things he has said when debating civics and public policy

[QUOTE=Lukeo;33027105]They spend all this money on the war on drugs when it should be going elsewhere. Cannabis generally makes you relaxed and happy, alcohol on the other hand causes people to be stupid and violent. I read an article about Haarlem, in which the police said they didn't worry about coffee shops, but only the alcohol establishments. Those who are uneducated on marijuana should watch The Union. It's long, but it reveals the truth about it. [img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpwe9oEXk31qchnreo1_500.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Heh, weed doesn't exactly make you smart either, but at least you're not likely to get into a brawl in a public place, or come home stoned and beat your wife and kids (possibly to death). [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] That illustration brings up another good point also.

What really pisses me off about this response is it goes to show how little control the people of the United States has over their government.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33027339]What really pisses me off about this response is it goes to show how little control the people of the United States has over their government.[/QUOTE] It's time. [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_laicahvhFf1qa00s6.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=GodKing;33027354]It's time.[/QUOTE] No. But as US Citizens we should have the right to vote on legislature that affects us as a whole. Why leave it to bigwig congressional members? Half the time they don't represent the people, they represent their favorite corporation that lines their pockets best.

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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33027032]You sound like someone who was raised to believe that questioning the established order of things is childish.[/QUOTE] No, you make me sound like that. Those arguments are reasons why alcohol should be banned, not why weed should be legalized. A child cries, "they have x why can't I have y!" As I said, weed should be legalized and I fully believe that questioning authority and forming your own opinions based on facts presented from both sides is extremely important. [QUOTE=TropicalV2;33027257]holy shit, you're actually making an rehashed argument based on something you read on cracked.com [img]http://i.imgur.com/wM5oH.png[/img] this guy screams credibility, maybe i should cite the things he has said when debating civics and public policy[/QUOTE] Not only am I incredibly offended by your baseless, moronic accusation, I'm simply shocked that this is your idea of a good post. You are wrong and you should feel bad for the bullshit your spewing.

[QUOTE=Cone;33026627]But there is literally no compromise. Either we ban something or not. Something can be many colors, but it can't be two at once. Either it's A or it's B, there is no C and there is no B&A nor A&B. You can't "half-ban" something, you either legalize or you ban. Everything else is just a different way of putting it.[/QUOTE] Actually you can half ban something, it's called decriminalization.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33027764]No, you make me sound like that.[/QUOTE] I didn't make you sound like anything. I did nothing to your post. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33027764]Those arguments are reasons why alcohol should be banned, not why weed should be legalized. A child cries, "they have x why can't I have y!" [/QUOTE] Not only is this not a comparable argument since to have something which is objectively less harmful than something else be banned while the second thing is legal is pretty apparently stupid making your childishness point effectively an ad hominem, but to claim that this is an argument for the banning of alcohol presupposes that something which the public can use to harm itself rather than others should be banned at all.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33026711]I like how people like you use this as an argument to legalize marijuana. If anything, it's an argument to ban alcohol. It's childish to say, "but theeeeeyyyy get to do X, why can't I do Y!" I think it should be legalized, but arguments such as this only serve to hurt your side.[/QUOTE] It's a perfectly logical argument, if the government deems alcohol safe enough to sell to the general population, why does it refuse to do the same for a much less harmful substance?

Even with this response people are still going to smoke weed to their hearts content, the government is just wasting money trying to crack down on it, adding to national debt. Good job. ;)

Lots of fucking drama...lots of fucking drama.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33027413]No. But as US Citizens we should have the right to vote on legislature that affects us as a whole. Why leave it to bigwig congressional members? Half the time they don't represent the people, they represent their favorite corporation that lines their pockets best.[/QUOTE] Was a joke, guy. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Whitebowl;33027922]It's a perfectly logical argument, if the government deems alcohol safe enough to sell to the general population, why does it refuse to do the same for a much less harmful substance?[/QUOTE] Because it's illogical apparently.

[QUOTE=Whitebowl;33027827]Actually you can half ban something, it's called decriminalization.[/QUOTE] It's still fining people for it, and to me that sounds neither effective nor what the people want. The worst of both worlds. It'd be a temporary setback to anyone with a hint of dedication, but still pretty annoying. It just sounds like it'll aggravate the problem, not help it.

[QUOTE]This last fiscal year alone, the Federal Government spent over $10 billion on drug education and treatment programs compared to just over $9 billion on drug related law enforcement in the U.S.[/QUOTE] Hmm so that's 19 billion dollars on preventing the legalization of marijuana. Now check this, that money isn't flying up into thin air. Somewhere along the line a motherfucker (motherfuckers) up top is getting paid big time. No man in his good mind would turn down all of that money, wait exactly "good mind" there it is. There is a damn business behind marijuana, it's the most widespread drug in America said by the NIDA itself. Our national budget is being spent jailing people, "educating", enforcing bullshit laws, and spreading ignorance in weed related issues. A lot of people in the government would go broke if it was legalized and formally accepted into society. Oh yeah and old world morals are working against it too, because people keep saying "pot kills brain cells" and the idiots saying "its a herb, its safe k". I ask all of you to make flyers, protest, and spread actual knowledge to your parents, peers, friends, and family. We can't deal with this any more seriously. Just last week my friends little sister was told in school that weed makes peoples lifespans shorter by 50%. We have to make an effort and change, haha but too bad stoners are too busy getting high.

[QUOTE=Cone;33028311]It's still fining people for it, and to me that sounds neither effective nor what the people want. The worst of both worlds. It'd be a temporary setback to anyone with a hint of dedication, but still pretty annoying. It just sounds like it'll aggravate the problem, not help it.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know what you're talking about, decriminalization would be great. Instead of going to jail and being treated like a criminal for the rest of your life (Difficulty getting a job ect.) you'd only have to pay a small fine. While it's no legalization, decriminalization would be a big step forward.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;33026675]Anyone mind sharing the negative effects of marijuana?[/QUOTE] When smoked you have the negative health effects of tobacco. People with underlying psychotic or mental problems may suffer temporary enhanced symptoms. People with underlying paranoia or schizophrenia may suffer permanent increased symptoms [b]however they would have reached that state at a later date even without the use of pot[/b]. So for the average healthy person who eats pot brownies; none.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33027764] Not only am I incredibly offended by your baseless, moronic accusation, I'm simply shocked that this is your idea of a good post. You are wrong and you should feel bad for the bullshit your spewing.[/QUOTE] i'm just pointing out the blatant similarities between the half-assed point you were trying to make and the half-assed article that you got it from

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33028970]When smoked you have the negative health effects of tobacco. People with underlying psychotic or mental problems may suffer temporary enhanced symptoms. People with underlying paranoia or schizophrenia may suffer permanent increased symptoms [b]however they would have reached that state at a later date even without the use of pot[/b]. So for the average healthy person who eats pot brownies; none.[/QUOTE] But normal weed has no nicotine or anything else tobacco has.

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33028970]When smoked you have the negative health effects of tobacco. People with underlying psychotic or mental problems may suffer temporary enhanced symptoms. People with underlying paranoia or schizophrenia may suffer permanent increased symptoms [b]however they would have reached that state at a later date even without the use of pot[/b]. So for the average healthy person who eats pot brownies; none.[/QUOTE] Haha I know, just wanted to get that out there :P [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Also to bring a more valid point to attention, 70,000+ people signed a petition to get something legalized. That's more than the entire population of the city I live in. It's sad that the people have no power and say in this country. Our Government has too much power.