Barack Obama vows to pursue gun measures in wake of latest massacre - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941869]I was talking about any weapon other than an assault weapon. Handguns, bolt action long rifles, shotguns, whatever.[/QUOTE] So according to you, only assault weapons can effectively kill people? Wow... You don't happen to be from one of those...less popular American states?

[QUOTE=Glorbo;36941861]My personal opinion is that you shouldn't give crazy people guns.[/QUOTE]I entirely agree. Eliminating the reason why these things happen, rather than attacking the means in which they happen, would be much better for everyone.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941869]I was talking about any weapon other than an assault weapon. Handguns, bolt action long rifles, shotguns, whatever. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] So then tell me why these massacres are so rare. Tell me why hardly any gun crime is committed with these types of firearms.[/QUOTE] because only loony toons do this kinda shit? and there isn't a shitload of loony toons like this prick? this isn't about gun crime like robberies or drive bys or shit like that, this is specifically about massacres perpetrated by nutcases with easy access to these kinds of weapons

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;36941882]So according to you, only assault weapons are designed to effectively kill people? Wow...[/QUOTE] Obviously not since more people are killed with other weapons. This argument is about assault weapons, be fucking clear if you are talking about anything except assault weapons.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;36941882]So according to you, only assault weapons can effectively kill people? Wow... You don't happen to be from one of those...less popular American states?[/QUOTE]His point was exactly the opposite, actually.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941901]because only loony toons do this kinda shit? and there isn't a shitload of loony toons like this prick? this isn't about gun crime like robberies or drive bys or shit like that, this is specifically about massacres perpetrated by nutcases with easy access to these kinds of weapons[/QUOTE] So you are going to hurt millions of people because less than ONE PERCENT commits crimes with the gun?! Are you fucking insane or are you just a straight fucking fascist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941902]Obviously not since more people are killed with other weapons. This argument is about assault weapons, be fucking clear if you are talking about anything except assault weapons.[/QUOTE] Christ, you're dense.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941909]So you are going to hurt millions of people because less than ONE PERCENT commits crimes with the gun?! Are you fucking insane or are you just a straight fucking fascist.[/QUOTE] i don't see it as hurting because i don't see the point in owning these kinds of weapons.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;36941910]Christ, you're dense.[/QUOTE] Stop speaking in gibberish and tell me what you mean. Ban all guns? Ban only guns that are used to kill people? Ban guns that look like they were made in one of those communist countries? What the fuck are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941845] this whole thread and obamas legislative plans and all that shit is based purely around stopping massacres with these kinds of weapons, these kinds of weapons that you can get legally and make these kinds of massacres so easy to cause. what legitimate uses do these weapons possibly have that safer alternatives (safer as in, harder to kill shitloads of people in a small amount of time) can't be used?[/QUOTE] The point is that going after scary-looking assault weapons is pointless because so few massacres are committed with them. You're dedicated to getting rid of them simply because your preconceived notions that seem to be based in media and horribly wrong notions about guns, evidence be damned. People have tried to explain that "assault weapons" have legitimate uses, but instead you just cover your ears and say "Well all guns are only meant for killing!" and still think you're right. Trying to reason with you is about as successful as trying to reason with a brick wall.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941918]i don't see it as hurting because i don't see the point in owning these kinds of weapons.[/QUOTE] "I don't see how my policy would hurt innocent people because I refuse to acknowledge these innocent people exist" You sound like the head of the DEA.

[QUOTE=Ziron;36941922]The point is that going after scary-looking assault weapons is pointless because so few massacres are committed with them. You're dedicated to getting rid of them simply because your preconceived notions that seem to be based in media and horribly wrong notions about guns, evidence be damned. People have tried to explain that "assault weapons" have legitimate uses, but instead you just cover your ears and say "Well all guns are only meant for killing!" and still think you're right.[/QUOTE] 'what legitimate uses do these weapons possibly have that safer alternatives (safer as in, harder to kill shitloads of people in a small amount of time) can't be used?'

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941845]what legitimate uses do these weapons possibly have that safer alternatives (safer as in, harder to kill shitloads of people in a small amount of time) can't be used?[/QUOTE] Target shooting, including on-the-move competitions like 3-gun matches. Hunting and hiking, as they're built to tolerate mud, dust and harsh conditions far better than traditional hunting weapons. Quick follow-up shots, in case the first one misses the mountain lion or coyote that decided you look tasty, and having to work a bolt manually can cost your life. And most of all, having one hell of a good time at the range, because they're really comfortable to shoot, and having to reload after 5 shots or working the action manually every time gets boring as piss after a while.

Do you have asperger's Lachz0r? This isn't an insult, but it would totally explain your inability to see this argument from any perspective except your own.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941925]"I don't see how my policy would hurt innocent people because I refuse to acknowledge these innocent people exist" You sound like the head of the DEA.[/QUOTE] it's not gonna hurt you if you can't own a ak-47 or whatever. sorry but nothing you can say will convince me that not owning these kinds of weapons will hurt anyone. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36941936]Do you have asperger's Lachz0r? This isn't an insult, but it would totally explain your inability to see this argument from any perspective except your own.[/QUOTE] lol almost all your posts have just been insults you dickhead. ok i have aspergers because i don't see any point in owning these stupid fucking guns. just like you have a gun fetish

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941943]it's not gonna hurt you if you can't own a ak-47 or whatever. sorry but nothing you can say will convince me that not owning these kinds of weapons will hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] It will just hurt the people who never broke a law in their life but enjoy shooting and hunting. Yea, fuck those people they don't fucking deserve rights. They are probably all hillbillys anyways, right?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941943]it's not gonna hurt you if you can't own a ak-47 or whatever. sorry but nothing you can say will convince me that not owning these kinds of weapons will hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] Well it's good to know that arguing with you is completely pointless because you are so utterly convinced you're right about stuff you actually possess little knowledge about.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941953]It will just hurt the people who never broke a law in their life but enjoy shooting and hunting. Yea, fuck those people they don't fucking deserve rights. They are probably all hillbillys anyways, right?[/QUOTE] so do your shooting with a hunting rifle, hunt shit with a hunting rifle. there is literally no reason for you to have the kinds of guns we're talking about

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36941936]Do you have asperger's Lachz0r? This isn't an insult, but it would totally explain your inability to see this argument from any perspective except your own.[/QUOTE] digging yourself out of your own metaphorical hole because of petty, cheap insults, or unwarranted comments that you threw around isn't exactly the best feeling

[QUOTE=thisispain;36941807]yes and i'm a very good shot. a miss doesn't stop the gun from continuing to do damage. sure the bullet is gone, but if it's semi-automatic it's not a big deal because at the pull of a finger there's another bullet coming right out of it. sure sure sure, but in a small timeframe of shooting unarmed targets, that's not relevant.[/QUOTE] I see you have expertise in handling a weapon... and I hope you understand though, that without technological devices that assist in aiming (besides ironsights), shots can be unpredictable unless you are in the most stable position? I find the argument that firearms are easy to operate highly misunderstood, especially in my last point of this arguement I will go over it one last time Also regarding semi-automatic weapons, that is where my previous second point and closing argument comes in; assault weapons (what we are talking about) have high capacity magazines which can assist the shooter in claiming more lives. If the shooter had a 10 round integrated magazine with a clip inserted via top of the reciever versus an 'assault weapon' which can have higher capacity magazines, it can create a problem, hence I agree with some of the voices here pushing for tighter gun regulation regarding features that do not really belong on a civillian firearm. As for the previous last point, I believe it is relavent; given the short timeframe the shooter has less time to potentially claim more victims combined with his adrenaline and the difficulty of operating a firearm, such factors come into effect greatly... I highly doubt Holmes at the time walked in with normal breaths and casually started shooting people with a notmal heartrate with equally paced accurate shots; hence thereforth it is probable Holmes was not able to potentially claim more lives because the firearm is a piece of machinery not simple to operate, and the statement that firearms are easy to use is highly biased based on popular opinion, but this is just going into the realms of speculation regarding both probable casualties and time-frame. However, it is certain that weapon operability came into factor. If it was really as easy as people think it would be to handle a firearm, why couldn't he just massacre the whole theater he was in?

And while we are at it let's check the shoes of every muslim coming through an airport because LESS THAN ONE PERCENT MIGHT COMMIT A TERRORIST ATTACK! They deserve to be treated as fucking criminals even if they obviously aren't, because hey, THEY COULD BE!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941943]it's not gonna hurt you if you can't own a ak-47 or whatever. sorry but nothing you can say will convince me that not owning these kinds of weapons will hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] It will hurt most gun owners in the US and a lot of gun owners outside of it, because their weapons got confiscated because some uneducated shmuck passed a law putting his feelings on top of people's rights. You know what, as soon as my license arrives my first gun is going to be an AK variant. It's great for range use (despite what you think), it's cheap and easy to maintain, ammunition's cheap, it's incredibly reliable, I love the looks of it, and the ease of handling makes it an excellent starter gun. Oh and, guess what? I'm not going to hurt anyone with it, just like the vast majority of gun owners that have dozens of these in their collection.

[QUOTE=Ziron;36941965]Well it's good to know that arguing with you is completely pointless because you are so utterly convinced you're right about stuff you actually possess little knowledge about.[/QUOTE] all your arguments are just a whole mess of stupid reasons to own something incredibly dangerous that you really have no point for. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36941976]And while we are at it let's check the shoes of every muslim coming through an airport because LESS THAN ONE PERCENT MIGHT COMMIT A TERRORIST ATTACK! They deserve to be treated as fucking criminals even if they obviously aren't, because hey, THEY COULD BE![/QUOTE] comparing a religion to your stupid ak-47 that you don't need yeah ok

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941980]all your arguments are just a whole mess of stupid reasons to own something incredibly dangerous that you really have no point for.[/QUOTE] We've already told you the point. You, in your outright refusal to accept anything that does not jive with your small minded, preconceived notions, are a whole mess of stupid.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941931]'what legitimate uses do these weapons possibly have that safer alternatives (safer as in, harder to kill shitloads of people in a small amount of time) can't be used?'[/QUOTE]Why differentiate from the two? The "safer" alternative as you say? They [b]ALL[/b] are equally capable of killing you, (as you have established in the argument that guns are meant to kill) but their only advantage is it's more comfortable while the shooter does it. Seriously, Lachz0r, that is what you are arguing against, comfort. That's their only difference! That's the reason why the AWB sucked so much and it's also the reason why it was beyond stupid. There is [i]no difference[/i] between the mechanical functions of the "safer alternatives" and assault weapons.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941980]all your arguments are just a whole mess of stupid reasons[/QUOTE] Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36941980] comparing a religion to your stupid ak-47 that you don't need yeah ok[/QUOTE] I don't even own a fucking gun. They are expensive and I have no need for one. I've shot guns before, my dad owns several. I really could not give a shit about guns except that people have valid reasons to own them and shouldn't be treated like a fucking murderer for doing so.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36942009]I don't even own a fucking gun. They are expensive and I have no need for one. I've shot guns before, my dad owns several. I really could not give a shit about guns except that people have valid reasons to own them and shouldn't be treated like a fucking murderer for doing so.[/QUOTE] that's cool and all but that has nothing to do with what Lachz0r said

I support freedom, I don't care if it's a gun or their right to a religion. People shouldn't be infringed upon unless they actually hurt or intend to hurt other people. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ownederd;36942013]that's cool and all but that has nothing to do with what Lachz0r said[/QUOTE] He said my stupid ak-47. I'm not replying to anything else because nothing else that was said had any merit.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36942009]I don't even own a fucking gun. They are expensive and I have no need for one. I've shot guns before, my dad owns several. I really could not give a shit about guns except that people have valid reasons to own them and shouldn't be treated like a fucking murderer for doing so.[/QUOTE] ok change the your to someone elses and the you to they