Barack Obama vows to pursue gun measures in wake of latest massacre - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36940062]yup not everyone is, some are though, which is the entire reason this debate exists in the first place. target shooting is fun and i enjoy it but i think finding something else to do on a sunday morning is a fair trade for less gun violence in my country. hunt with a hunting rifle and get a shotgun/pistol for home defense.[/QUOTE] Some crimes are committed with knives too, might as well ban knives. Same thing with hands, let's ban those. If there was wide scale conflict being committed with assault rifle like weapons I'd be more understanding of a legitimate need to get rid of them but our society has pretty much proven that the majority of "assault firearm" owners are responsible with their weapons, there's no reason to get rid of them.

[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;36939976]Why does any civilian have to demonstrate need to own a tool[/QUOTE] how the fuck is an assault weapon in any way a tool?

ahahaha welp there goes the election. the nra is going to go into full gear and lots of on the fence gun onwers are going to flip romney just to keep their guns. obama you stupid son of a bitch. good to see your worthless latte liberal shit overrides trying to court on the fence voters.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36940082]if its recreational, its not much of a tool. so yes, I do believe you have to justify what you do for recreation, ie don't drive at excess speeds just because its fun[/QUOTE] But you can own a fast car and go to a speedway.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36940088]what a surprise that the cheaper and more accessible weaponry is used more often in the context of mass shootings like the one in aurora, i wonder if maybe rifles are used more often[/QUOTE] As far as my knowledge goes, no. Most of your crimes[including Virgina Tech, Columbine, Tucson Shooting] were done with Glock and Ruger handguns with high capacity magazines.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36940082]if its recreational, its not much of a tool. so yes, I do believe you have to justify what you do for recreation, ie don't drive at excess speeds just because its fun[/QUOTE] Speeding is against the law. Homicide is against the law. Merely owning a car or a gun is not. Owning a gun doesn't endanger others, therefore no justification is needed

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36940088]what a surprise that the cheaper and more accessible weaponry is used more often in the context of mass shootings like the one in aurora, i wonder if maybe rifles are used more often[/QUOTE] Lets just ignore every study cited in every other thread with this debate that shows more guns=less crime. These threads are kind of predictable. People argue for a while, then Gunfox comes in a sets everyone straight on the issue.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36940087]You seem to think banning weapons will get them out of the hands of criminals. This puzzles me.[/QUOTE] the reason criminals are able to obtain weapons so easily despite regulation efforts is because there's such a massive gun culture in america, there's plenty of private citizens A-OK with selling off their rifles laying in their closet. with both regulations on the rifles themselves and unlicensed/unregistered private sales the access criminals have to guns shrinks over time. not to mention in the end, the simple inconvenience of going out and getting a gun can be enough to deter some violent crimes.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36940072]You wouldn't have less gun violence with Semi-Automatic rifles banned or heavily restricted.[/QUOTE] the batman shooter purchased his weapons legally. if there were stricter laws, the incident might not have happened

[QUOTE=imptastick;36940100]But you can own a fast car and go to a speedway.[/QUOTE] rent a gun and go to a shooting range, I don't care I don't see the need to own a gun that you keep in your home though

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36940104]As far as my knowledge goes, no. Most of your crimes[including Virgina Tech, Columbine, Tucson Shooting] were done with Glock and Ruger handguns with high capacity magazines.[/QUOTE] yep no rifles involved in those shootings not a one

guess he has nothing to lose, the right thinks he's already been increasing gun control despite him not having touched it yet.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36940091]how the fuck is an assault weapon in any way a tool?[/QUOTE] Well for one stop calling it a goddamn assault weapon, because I've got no idea if your pointing at automatics or semi-automatics. Firearms are a tool as any other thing which has been made to serve humanity.

I can't wait till this gun banning frenzy dies down. "I don't agree with guns so lets ban them outright"

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36940118]the batman shooter purchased his weapons legally. if there were stricter laws, the incident might not have happened[/QUOTE] Or he could have just bought a weapon illegally, as is the case in most gun crimes.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36940113]Lets just ignore every study cited in every other thread with this debate that shows more guns=less crime. These threads are kind of predictable. People argue for a while, then Gunfox comes in a sets everyone straight on the issue.[/QUOTE] can i see the study then because if its 100% true that more guns undeniably means less violence i'll be more than happy to join your guys' side of the argument

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36940125]rent a gun and go to a shooting range, I don't care I don't see the need to own a gun that you keep in your home though[/QUOTE] Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean you can tell other people what they can do. I'm not angry enough at the government to march on DC, but that doesn't mean I can tell other people they can't.

the kid wasn't a criminal before the shooting, its not like he had mob ties, and that's what enabled him to do this america's gun laws enabled him to do this. anyway I'm not even talking about criminals, I'm talking about perfectly normal americans who seem perfectly nice when they go out and buy a gun. it still increases the chance of harm to those around him (suicide, domestic violence, etc) by a huge amount

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36940133]Well for one stop calling it a goddamn assault weapon, because I've got no idea if your pointing at automatics or semi-automatics. Firearms are a tool as any other thing which has been made to serve humanity.[/QUOTE] uh mate you realize they have a criteria for what defines an assault weapon right? they can be automatic or semi automatic. i think when it's designed specifically to just kill people it's not a tool it's just a weapon

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36940116]the reason criminals are able to obtain weapons so easily despite regulation efforts is because there's such a massive gun culture in america, there's plenty of private citizens A-OK with selling off their rifles laying in their closet. with both regulations on the rifles themselves and unlicensed/unregistered private sales the access criminals have to guns shrinks over time. not to mention in the end, the simple inconvenience of going out and getting a gun can be enough to deter some violent crimes.[/QUOTE] Actually a surprising amount of illegal assault rifles are shipped out of Europe, just looking at sites that sell illegal items will show you that. [thumb]http://i47.tinypic.com/2a7ycs3.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36940118]the batman shooter purchased his weapons legally. if there were stricter laws, the incident might not have happened[/QUOTE] Stricter laws would of done nothing... Even if they were there, he would of planned to get the rifle sooner and would of still done the same thing.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36940137]Or he could have just bought a weapon illegally, as is the case in most gun crimes.[/QUOTE] right.. but he didnt.. he got his weapons legally despite whatever hypothetical scenarios you'd prefer to imagine. and chances are if he wasn't able to easily access these weapons this might not have happened.

I own an SKS and an RPK. SKS being a semi auto battle rifle and the other a semi auto LMG. That must mean I'm going to go kill everyone, right? Because I don't totally have them for my expensive hobby and because going shooting and hunting is fun. No it's definitely because I'm planning to kill everyone

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36940161]Stricter laws would of done nothing... Even if they were there, he would of planned to get the rifle sooner and would of still done the same thing.[/QUOTE] you know this how? [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;36940165]I own an SKS and an RPK. SKS being a semi auto battle rifle and the other a semi auto LMG. That must mean I'm going to go kill everyone, right? Because I don't totally have them for my expensive hobby and because going shooting and hunting is fun. No it's definitely because I'm planning to kill everyone[/QUOTE] literally nobody has said this, stop crying about shit you made up

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36940104]As far as my knowledge goes, no. Most of your crimes[including Virgina Tech, Columbine, Tucson Shooting] were done with Glock and Ruger handguns with high capacity magazines.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? Columbine involved a TEC-9, and like several shotguns, plus a semi-auto carbine.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;36940165]I own an SKS and an RPK. SKS being a semi auto battle rifle and the other a semi auto LMG. That must mean I'm going to go kill everyone, right? Because I don't totally have them for my expensive hobby and because going shooting and hunting is fun. No it's definitely because I'm planning to kill everyone[/QUOTE] i don't understand people who go hunting for fun what type of enjoyment do you get from killing defenseless animals??

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36939942]Why does any civilian need an assault weapon[/QUOTE] I agree, but if assault weapons were to be banned, bye bye reelection

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36940152]Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean you can tell other people what they can do. I'm not angry enough at the government to march on DC, but that doesn't mean I can tell other people they can't.[/QUOTE] are you seriously saying the government shouldn't tell people what to do? thats a ridiculously flawed argument, seeing that governments [i]need[/i] to control certain aspects of life in a country

[QUOTE=The Baconator;36940177]I agree, but if assault weapons were to be banned, bye bye reelection[/QUOTE] pretty sure the only people obsessed with guns enough to wanna buy assault weapons weren't gonna vote for a black man anyway....

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36940164]right.. but he didnt.. he got his weapons legally despite whatever hypothetical scenarios you'd prefer to imagine. [B]and chances are if he wasn't able to easily access these weapons this might not have happened.[/B][/QUOTE] No, stop right there. If he isn't allowed to imagine a hypothetical scenario neither are you.