Barack Obama vows to pursue gun measures in wake of latest massacre - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955920]Let's see someone go on a knifing spree and compare their body count with someone going on a shooting spree.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955920]Let's see someone go on a knifing spree and compare their body count with someone going on a shooting spree.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/world/asia/30china.html?_r=1[/url]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955920]Let's see someone go on a knifing spree and compare their body count with someone going on a shooting spree.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre[/url] Note how the second one used a [i]Kitchen knife[/i] I guess being made for the purpose of cooking didn't save those people

[QUOTE=Ridge;36955936]Why did people sit next to the guy in the theater? Because they didn't expect him to intend to kill them.[/QUOTE] yeah good luck doing that with a car "uh yeah could you just uh, stand in front of this car while i commit a crime of passion or w/e, thanks"

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36955939][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre"]-[/URL]snip[/QUOTE] i've been to akihabara, and if he had a gun he would have killed more people - fish in a barrel. e: JUST missed it

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36955939][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre[/URL][/QUOTE] Would you stop using specific scenarios to justify things? Can you not think about the bigger picture? Sure, every now and again someone will be a statistical outlier. But most aren't. A few situations where someone with a knife killed a bunch of people don't hold a candle to the many more times guns have done greater damage. There's a reason you don't see all soldiers sent in to battle equipped with just a knife. If they're as deadly, then why not! That's what I thought. Imagine I link you to pages and pages of guntoting maniacs who killed a shitload of people. That's the same argument as yours. But statistically I'd win it.

why do you keep bringing cars into this. that mentality is dumb. a car can be used as a weapon. Okay, so can a pen, a lamp, and a blanket. That's not what they are meant for though, they are meant for transporting, writing, lighting, and warming. A gun is designed as a weapon and it's purpose is to be used as a weapon. Stop using stupid scenarios as justification

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955957]Would you stop using specific scenarios to justify things? Can you not think about the bigger picture? Sure, every now and again someone will be a statistical outlier. But most aren't.[/QUOTE] We don't have that many mass murders like this as well... So I think they can qualify as specific scenarios.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36955398]"Put absolute trust in the government because it could never become corrupt or totalitarian." - Kopimi living in 2012 fantasy land.[/QUOTE] "i believe i have the power to topple a totalitarian United States with my ar15" - yawmwen

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955957]Would you stop using specific scenarios to justify things? Can you not think about the bigger picture? Sure, every now and again someone will be a statistical outlier. But most aren't.[/QUOTE] You asked us to show you the deaths from a knife spree versus a shooting spree, then you get mad when we show specific scenarios. I give up on believing you're trying to be serious

[QUOTE=Ridge;36955936]Why did people sit next to the guy in the theater? Because they didn't expect him to intend to kill them.[/QUOTE] You can bring a gun pretty much anywhere. You can't break into a building with a car and run them over.

yeh i totally said i trust the government completely thats why i constantly bitch about shit like drones being used for surveillance and other stuff that obviously showcases my anti-govt paranoia, rational or not clearly [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Carnage2323;36955976]You asked us to show you the deaths from a knife spree versus a shooting spree, then you get mad when we show specific scenarios. I give up on believing you're trying to be serious[/QUOTE] you showed him the only 3 instances of that ever happening, hoping it would sufficiently justify the hundreds of gun-centric massacres that have occurred in history lmao

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955957]Would you stop using specific scenarios to justify things? Can you not think about the bigger picture? Sure, every now and again someone will be a statistical outlier. But most aren't.[/QUOTE] Is the argument against guns not also using specific events? It's the same shit with a different name. There are mass murders with both guns and knives and cars and whatever the fuck else you want to call a weapons as well as minor occurrences. [b]WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM[/b]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;36955718]You can kill people with almost anything. But it doesn't change the fact that guns were specifically created to make it easier for people to kill other people, and kill a lot more of them. There's no legitimate justification for owning one. Target shooting might be fun to you, but to me it seems like a pointless and dangerous activity that makes people feel more strong, in control, or 'bad-ass'. Small ding-a-ling syndrome. Reasonable, sane people, do not enjoy shooting firearms. I submit to you, that people who do, are not mentally fit in one way or another. America is a very backwards country in this regard. You were raised that way. The same way someone raised in a cult is devoted to that cult for life.[/QUOTE] You have me thinking hard now. What about those who only ever use firearms for home defense, or police officers? In other words, people who see guns not as a hobby, but for those who use guns purely as a means to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their community?

[QUOTE=Carnage2323;36955976]You asked us to show you the deaths from a knife spree versus a shooting spree, then you get mad when we show specific scenarios. I give up on believing you're trying to be serious[/QUOTE] It's honestly very sad if you're so incapable of seeing logic that you think I can't even be serious. It's a very depressing thought that there are so many people like you.

[QUOTE=Lazor;36955950]yeah good luck doing that with a car "uh yeah could you just uh, stand in front of this car while i commit a crime of passion or w/e, thanks"[/QUOTE] This took 6 months of planning, I hear... [video=youtube;unLHmYyAw5g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unLHmYyAw5g[/video]

[QUOTE=Squarebob;36955995]Is the argument against guns not also using specific events? It's the same shit with a different name. There are mass murders with both guns and knives and cars and whatever the fuck else you want to call a weapons as well as minor occurrences. [b]WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM[/b][/QUOTE] the problem is that 2/3 of murders in the USA aren't committed with knives

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36956002]You have me thinking hard now. What about those who only ever use firearms for home defense, or police officers? In other words, people who see guns not as a hobby, but for those who use guns purely as a means to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their community?[/QUOTE] I could be wrong on this, but statistically aren't guns in the household more likely to be used against a loved one than an actual intruder?

[QUOTE=Squarebob;36955995]Is the argument against guns not also using specific events? It's the same shit with a different name. There are mass murders with both guns and knives and cars and whatever the fuck else you want to call a weapons as well as minor occurrences. [b]WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM[/b][/QUOTE] dude there are hundreds and hundres of gun-related killing sprees and millions of gun murders and there's like, a dozen with knives and cars and such. stop being an idiot and read what people have posted

[QUOTE=Ridge;36956004]This took 6 months of planning, I hear... [video=youtube;unLHmYyAw5g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unLHmYyAw5g[/video][/QUOTE] nobody died in that event way to prove my point for me

[QUOTE=Ridge;36955945][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/world/asia/30china.html?_r=1[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks[/url] 69 dead. 110 wounded. Guns win. Or lose.

[QUOTE=Ridge;36956004]This took 6 months of planning, I hear... [video=youtube;unLHmYyAw5g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unLHmYyAw5g[/video][/QUOTE] i can't tell whether its amusing or just sad how desperate you guys are to use the "WHY DONT WE BAN CARS AND PEOPLES HANDS AND HAMMERS LOL" argument seriously

[QUOTE=Falubii;36955978]You can bring a gun pretty much anywhere. You can't break into a building with a car and run them over.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;WsiQ1bm6IvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsiQ1bm6IvI[/video]

"KNIVES AREN'T WEAPONS" Meanwhile combat knives, boot knives, bayonets. You're all a bunch of ill-informed hypocrites.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36956011]the problem is that 2/3 of murders in the USA aren't committed with knives[/QUOTE] Hey, Kopimi, thing is, if someone is gonna kill, they are going to kill. They use guns because they are easiest, if they were limited like everywhere else, they would just use the next available weapon.

[QUOTE=Ridge;36956025][video=youtube;WsiQ1bm6IvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsiQ1bm6IvI[/video][/QUOTE] You continue to completely miss any and every point.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;36956018]dude there are hundreds and hundres of gun-related killing sprees and millions of gun murders and there's like, a dozen with knives and cars and such. stop being an idiot and read what people have posted[/QUOTE] They still happen, just because they are occurring less shouldn't be a reason to completely disregard them.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36956034]Hey, Kopimi, thing is, if someone is gonna kill, they are going to kill. They use guns because they are easiest, if they were limited like everywhere else, they would just use the next available weapon.[/QUOTE] ok even though thats not backed up by any logic or evidence even if we assume people will just kill regardless of an access to guns, at least without guns they would statistically do significantly less damage

[QUOTE=Lazor;36956019]nobody died in that event way to prove my point for me[/QUOTE] Your point is that people wouldn't just stand in the way of a car coming at them.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36956021]i can't tell whether its amusing or just sad how desperate you guys are to use the "WHY DONT WE BAN CARS AND PEOPLES HANDS AND HAMMERS LOL" argument seriously[/QUOTE] But the only argument you guys can present is, "guns were made to be weapons, therefor ban them". Off topic, neat, 4k posts.