Barack Obama vows to pursue gun measures in wake of latest massacre - Polidicks

The ultimate moral of this story is that would be spree killers will go on killing spree's regardless of what's banned or not banned. I mean the guy made bombs, and as we all know from all the news coverage of bombings in the middle east, IED's are a lot worse than firearms. Welp, we've banned guns, but now everyone's making IED's. Better ban everything that can be used to make an IED, and that's a LOT of stuff.

We should just ban people. Goodnight.

[QUOTE=Falubii;36957047]We should just ban people. Goodnight.[/QUOTE] Ban crime.

[QUOTE=cornndog;36957065]Ban crime.[/QUOTE] But crime is already banned silly.

[QUOTE=Resfan;36957112]But crime is already banned silly.[/QUOTE] Then ban banning.

[QUOTE=cornndog;36957123]Then ban banning.[/QUOTE] But then we could never ban anything ever again.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36956935]I don't really understand the point of this post because it seems like it's agreeing with me that a total ban on firearms isn't the way to go?[/QUOTE] I'm saying an AWB is completely worthless because it doesn't really stop gun crime. It doesn't attack the main issue. It doesn't even go into the same neighborhood as the issue.

[QUOTE]Can't you see you're still just trying desperately to justify something, that really, isn't justified? Except in a really old constitution that people seem to swear by. A constitution made by slave owners. Is that cool too? Can't you see that something that may have applied then, doesn't apply now?[/QUOTE] So are you against the 2nd Amendment? cause it's not going away...better find a way to live with it or make it work

I like it when stuff goes boom, why shouldn't I be able to buy grenades and high-powered explosives if gun enthusiasts can buy assault rifles?

The idea of an AWB is pretty much as illogical as possible. The previous AWB was useless at preventing crime. The AWB only becomes remotely relevant in spree shooter cases, and spree shootings are the exception, not the norm. When the government makes policy based on fringe situations, there's a problem.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36957311]I like it when stuff goes boom, why shouldn't I be able to buy grenades and high-powered explosives if gun enthusiasts can buy assault rifles?[/QUOTE] Actually. To get one you need to file a form, get approval from the sheriff, get fingerprinted, go through a background check and pay a $200 tax for every grenade you want.

okay, I just flipped shit when I read that. WHO THE FUCK NEEDS A GRENADE AS A RECREATIONAL TOOL

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36957419]okay, I just flipped shit when I read that. WHO THE FUCK NEEDS A GRENADE AS A RECREATIONAL TOOL[/QUOTE] People that have money? Who needs a tank for recreational purposes? Maybe they have a nasty varmint infestation? I can't think of any reason to own a hand grenade, but I'm sure those who have actually purchased them can give you a reason. I mean, I can see buying one for the thrill, I would be pretty damn scared to hold a live grenade in my hand with intentions to actually arm it and throw it.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36957419]okay, I just flipped shit when I read that. WHO THE FUCK NEEDS A GRENADE AS A RECREATIONAL TOOL[/QUOTE] Uh I dunno about you, but I think the idea of having grenades to play with sounds fucking awesome. Here in America a lot of people like loud exploding things. You should try them, they're awesome.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36957510]who the fuck spends $5000 on a really good gaming rig i mean its just a fucking video game![/QUOTE] Where in your thought process did you figure out how to compare video games to a live hand grenade? I'm not against people owning a hand grenade (though I am completely unable to come up with a reason why anyone would want one), but you're going to have to explain your thought process to me.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36957571]you have to spend a fuckton of cash, time, and effort to get an assault weapon/grenade legally, as you do with a gaming pc (though the legality is much more simple for computers) if you buy something for recreation and the background checks let you, then why the fuck shouldn't you be able to have a grenade?[/QUOTE] I'm fine with people having a grenade, I just think your comparison is a strange one. A grenade either sits there or explodes, and that's it. It's one-use only, whereas a ridiculous gaming PC has dozens of applications and will provide hundreds of hours of entertainment. I think a better comparison would be a gaming PC vs. a Barrett sniper rifle (which, last I checked, you can legally purchase for about $7000) or something equally over-the-top. A grenade is just an odd thing to own, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36957343]chances are, if you like things that go boom, and you're going to commit a crime, you have the know-how and knowledge on how to make pipebombs and plastic explosives so yeah, i dont see why not[/QUOTE] The only objection I have is that manufacturing bombs and explosives have an inherent risk that could hurt other people. I'm not really concerned about criminals, but about an accidental explosion or fire that ends up burning some other poor guy's house down.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36957608]The only objection I have is that manufacturing bombs and explosives have an inherent risk that could hurt other people. I'm not really concerned about criminals, but about an accidental explosion or fire that ends up burning some other poor guy's house down.[/QUOTE] I'd be more concerned about the shrapnel, personally. At least with a gun you have a reasonable idea of where the bullet is going.

And that's just manufacture, not the actual usage or purchase of the explosives.

bombs are easy to make you see first step you need about 20 pounds of amonium nitrate and then

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36957618]I'd be more concerned about the shrapnel, personally. At least with a gun you have a reasonable idea of where the bullet is going.[/QUOTE] It can be reasonably assumed that whoever has an interest in blowing stuff up has some sort of idea of how explosions work. At least enough to stand way the fuck back and watch from a distance.

I mean anyone who is going to spend a shitload of money on something that they will never be able to use more than once is probably at least somewhat smart enough to apply common sense. Also, fireworks are sort of legal and they are totally explosives. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] Also, isn't C4 legal to buy anyways? I see people like the Mythbusters, who are civilian, buying the stuff and setting it off all the time. Maybe they need a special permit, idk.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36957640]I mean anyone who is going to spend a shitload of money on something that they will never be able to use more than once is probably at least somewhat smart enough to apply common sense. Also, fireworks are sort of legal and they are totally explosives. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] Also, isn't C4 legal to buy anyways? I see people like the Mythbusters, who are civilian, buying the stuff and setting it off all the time. Maybe they need a special permit, idk.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that makes sense. Also, the Mythbusters always have at least one explosive expert with them when they work with that stuff, and I think they have to go through a considerable amount of legal work in order to do what they do.

[QUOTE]But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals – that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities[/QUOTE] I hope this simply means he wants to make it harder for criminals to get AK-47s. I certainly wouldn't want law abiding, contributing to the economy, old enough to vote, tax paying me to have a hard time getting an AK-47.

[QUOTE=Resfan;36956802]Home defense, some asshole broke in so I aimed my maverick at him and he ran off.[/QUOTE] Some asshole tried breaking in so I aimed my face at him and he ran off.

So what are the actual reasons why the public just need to own firearms in the US? The second amendment is outdated "Self defense" is stupid as people here have agreed and is just an excuse more than anything "People will still illegally use firearms" and "It infringes on our personal freedoms" are both understandable, but still not good enough reasons imo At the least, carrying a gun outside of your property should always be illegal (unless you're a hunter or whatever) and everyone who buys firearms should have both a psychological and criminal record checks

[QUOTE=RobbL;36959387]So what are the actual reasons why the public just need to own firearms in the US? The second amendment is outdated "Self defense" is stupid as people here have agreed and is just an excuse more than anything "People will still illegally use firearms" and "It infringes on our personal freedoms" are both understandable, but still not good enough reasons imo At the least, carrying a gun outside of your property should always be illegal (unless you're a hunter or whatever) and everyone who buys firearms should have both a psychological and criminal record checks[/QUOTE] Yeah, those two million events per year where someone uses a firearm in self defense is just an "Excuse"

[QUOTE=Carnage2323;36959729]Yeah, those two million events per year where someone uses a firearm in self defense is just an "Excuse"[/QUOTE] Oh, and the tonnes of unnecessary deaths that they cause

[QUOTE=Squarebob;36956364]Everyone should be issued a firearm. There will probably be a rough start with people killing each other, but after that people will stop shooting each other because they will realize that the other person has a gun as well. Criminals are less likely to fuck with someone if they know they have a gun.[/QUOTE] are you serious because if you are, this is like, the funniest thing i've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Squarebob;36956364]Everyone should be issued a firearm. There will probably be a rough start with people killing each other, but after that people will stop shooting each other because they will realize that the other person has a gun as well. Criminals are less likely to fuck with someone if they know they have a gun.[/QUOTE] I love satire.