• Air Conditioning the Military Costs More Than NASA’s Entire Budget
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[QUOTE=TheTalon;30551494]$20 Billion on just AC seems like a lot, until you realize that's cheaper per person than normal families in the US[/QUOTE] nah, 20 billion is still a lot of money
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551545]Not relevant at all.[/QUOTE] Sorry there was some posts inbetween. [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551520]Because they have none of those, these are terrorists and insurgents, not Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE] Then throw around loads of propaganda. Encourage people to turn in brothers and sisters who have betrayed the fatherland. Have a secret police to search for and eradicate all terrorist groups.
Wouldn't solar panels work out to be more expensive? The material to make them, install them, get them to function and to maintain them would work out more expensive, although 1000 soldiers won't die, so they wont be cutting the losses the on those guys pay. Then again fuel costs for the AC would be insane.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;30543382]To be fair, it's fucking hot everywhere the US Military is currently deployed. AC is a necessary creature comfort of modern society. This isn't all that scandalous or a big deal, it just goes to show how much of the military we've put there that we need that much air conditioning.[/QUOTE] maybe the US should stop occupying so many countries and then this wouldn't be such a huge expense there's absolutely no justification for spending more money on AC than NASA
Oh wow look at all the nanonerds whining that they can't play captain spock and darth vader on the moon. When me and my bros are kicking it back eating our nachos, we need air conditioning cuz that shit gets hot. They should take all that cash from those space dorks and use it to buy more doritos for the brommandos in iraqistan.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;30554891]Oh wow look at all the nanonerds whining that they can't play captain spock and darth vader on the moon. When me and my bros are kicking it back eating our nachos, we need air conditioning cuz that shit gets hot. They should take all that cash from those space dorks and use it to buy more doritos for the brommandos in iraqistan.[/QUOTE] ladies and gentlemen, i present to you americas fine military in action go kill yourself "brommando"
um no man
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30555141]ladies and gentlemen, i present to you americas fine military in action go kill yourself "brommando"[/QUOTE] Yo homeslice cant you tell this gansta be yanken yo chain?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30548477]The invention of the gun led to machinery to drill out cylinders to mass produce with precision. These machines were later used to make steam engine pipes. Machines used to make wooden blocks for ship ropes later were to make the first machine tools. Roads, railways, ports have been built for the purpose of moving armies around. Censuses were introduced to help tax populations and find out those eligible for conscription. Margarine, Bovril, canned food, etc were all invented to provide preserved food for soldiers. Men drew illustrations of zeppelins dropping bombs before the first ones even flew. Most of the time, its war that drives technological development and many put in funding/resources/time/effort eager to outdo their rivals. [/QUOTE] True. But any cause that draws from varied resources and is full of passion and vigor could do the same, and much more efficiently too. That's no excuse for a developed nation like the U.S. to be putting science on the back-burner of goals, especially when the resources are available and passionate manpower is in no short supply. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;30548477]Peaceful societies have unfortunately decayed and slowed in progress. (Roman Empire in its later years, China at times) War will remain with humans till the end of time, just that it might not be necessarily Humans killing Humans by the end.[/QUOTE] You are a very militaristic person. The Greek Golden Age, Athen's at least, was characterized by peace and culture and the "Five Good Emperors" phase of Rome was one of little conflict. Rome's decline was bathed in conflict with German tribes and Chinese low points are usually due to rebellion and war. Both the Islamic and Greek Golden Age ended in war. Any type of war less than conquest is usually bad news for everyone and often times the good times come after the conquest. Insinuating that war makes societies strong and peace makes societies weak is silly.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;30555356]um no man[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30555463]Yo homeslice cant you tell this gansta be yanken yo chain?[/QUOTE] dawg is yall for serious damn i was so worked up about the troops n shit hell dawg im straight up SRY
This is more of a good thing, it means that much money goes into making the soldiers HAPPY
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30548274]I salute you. My dad is in the Air Force. To hell with all these ungrateful bastards.[/QUOTE] i just can't imagine what sort of freedoms we'd lose today without heroes like your dad being in the air force!!!! oh wait yes i can none that's what we'd lose. ungrateful bastards.... lol
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;30556101]i just can't imagine what sort of freedoms we'd lose today without heroes like your dad being in the air force!!!! oh wait yes i can none that's what we'd lose. ungrateful bastards.... lol[/QUOTE] :what:
I really hope that sometime in the near future we can use freed up funds for things like this to go back into NASA and scientific advancements. There's no real acceptable reason to allow NASA and scientific progress to become stagnated due to lack of funds for future operations because of war. Main example here being operations to the Moon and Mars.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30548489]Again we spend so way more resources on military then we do anything else its no wonder there are so many things coming out of it. If we spent more on resources on nasa then we would see an increase in invention too. If we are talking about necessity though then the medical field would be the most intense since they have to deal with deadly pathogens evolving ways to fight are medicine.[/QUOTE] Deadly pathogens aren't a threat to anyone on a nation-wide scale.
[QUOTE=Chrille;30557717]Deadly pathogens aren't a threat to anyone on a nation-wide scale.[/QUOTE] Famous last words I think
Pfft just send in these and some rechargeable batteries :v: [img]http://nta-1949.com/web_images/1206.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Chrille;30557717]Deadly pathogens aren't a threat to anyone on a nation-wide scale.[/QUOTE] Also there's a reason why deadly pathogens don't spread it's because of medicine
[QUOTE=Mudbone;30543390]You try living dirty in the fucking desert. Air conditioning is almost required.[/QUOTE] The point of the article is that there are alternatives to the methods they are using that cost about 1/10th of the price (A current $90 mil contract saving $1 billion) so they could reduce AC costs from $20 billion to about $900 million.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;30557882]Also there's a reason why deadly pathogens don't spread it's because of medicine[/QUOTE] I don't see how this invalidates my point. If an pandemic with the proportionate scale of the black death suddenly appeared in the US, I promise you billions upon billions of dollars would be invested in the medical industry, and it would receive loads of attention.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;30554891]Oh wow look at all the nanonerds whining that they can't play captain spock and darth vader on the moon. When me and my bros are kicking it back eating our nachos, we need air conditioning cuz that shit gets hot. They should take all that cash from those space dorks and use it to buy more doritos for the brommandos in iraqistan.[/QUOTE] I cant help but doubt you're actually in the military.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30547280]Future generations laughing at us will be like us laughing at the people of the middle ages. Almost all human technology has come about from war or the necessity or waging it more efficiently. It's why Europe ended up being technologically centuries ahead of many other nations who had much fewer wars.[/QUOTE] Didn't europe lose much of the technology that would have advanced us?
[QUOTE=nemmises5;30561105]Didn't europe lose much of the technology that would have advanced us?[/QUOTE] No. Most of other countries have just caught up with us.
greek fire, gun powder, concrete...etc.
[QUOTE=nemmises5;30561791]greek fire, gun powder, concrete...etc.[/QUOTE] You've been reading Cracked, eh? Those are not all European technologies, and are from the time before Europe was split up into a lot of warring nations. It was split up shortly after the fall of Rome, and the European countries continued to hate each other up until the 20th century, which is why Europe was the main technological powerhouse in the world up until then.
Simple fix, pull out the soldiers, stop spending 1 trillion dollars on military and the money on air conditioning, then put it all into awesome space stuff.
why don't they change all the colors of the tents and uniforms and equipment to bright white? they'll stay cool and it's not like making them more noticeable is going to stop the number of people being killed at this point /:v:\
[QUOTE=Cheezy;30543145]This is why we will never actually colonize another planet.[/QUOTE] Space tents that keep getting pumped with oxygen that flies out of the cracks. Logical solution. I will be awaiting my award soon.
[QUOTE=Chrille;30557717]Deadly pathogens aren't a threat to anyone on a nation-wide scale.[/QUOTE] You know how many societies were destroyed by disease? But your right its not a nation wide threat its a human wide one. Really while a terrorist group might kill a 100 american people a year sickness could do millions. [editline]19th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;30557963]To all the people complaining about NASA only getting $19 Billion a year stop fucking complaining, you guys realize they're getting more money each year right, look it up they've been getting budget raises over the past ten years. Also, eventually you have to stop throwing money at them, throwing billions of dollars at something doesn't get anything done, the scientists using that money wisely does, the more you tighten the budget the harder they work and try to run things as efficiently as possible, people coming up with ideas while under stress doesn't just apply to war.[/QUOTE] Oh why? You really think nasa will do better if they get less founding to build there ships? Explain how your hypothesis somehow doesn't work with the military. Really even if it isn't amount of money they get its definitely the amount of scientist. About half of are scientist are working for the military and you can say giving them less minds will somehow help them. I don't even think I need to explain why the military is getting way to much as it is and why science is a good thing. Oh and your corporation thing. Sure a company might want to take resources but you know its not willing to send probes to look for life on other planets or send probes to search for new ones. [editline]19th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Chrille;30558051]I don't see how this invalidates my point. If an pandemic with the proportionate scale of the black death suddenly appeared in the US, I promise you billions upon billions of dollars would be invested in the medical industry, and it would receive loads of attention.[/QUOTE] Yea but by then many would already die. Giving them the funding in the first place would help them prepare more and besides its not like the military is really saving lives anywhere on par with the medical industry. Think about it we spend a 1000 times less trying to stop heart disease (something that kills much much more) then we do terrorism. Not to mention most scientist think we are on the verge of making a man live past 150 so dont you think the medical industry is a little more important right now?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30567907]You know how many societies were destroyed by disease? But your right its not a nation wide threat its a human wide one. Really while a terrorist group might kill a 100 american people a year sickness could do millions.[/QUOTE] It also depends on the society's technological state; no modern societies have been destroyed by a disease, but a tribe in African isn't going to invent antibiotics out of nowhere because they are struck by a disease. Any disease that would have been serious enough to do much damage has been eliminated because of the same principle about technology and war. And I think I have already established that we aren't talking about terrorists here, but actual war, and that I have delivered sufficient examples to reinforce my point, which I feel I have made very clear by now. If you still think otherwise, then there's not much I can do about that I guess.
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