Air Conditioning the Military Costs More Than NASA’s Entire Budget
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[QUOTE=Chrille;30568182]It also depends on the society's technological state; no modern societies have been destroyed by a disease, but a tribe in African isn't going to invent antibiotics out of nowhere because they are struck by a disease. Any disease that would have been serious enough to do much damage has been eliminated because of the same principle about technology and war.
And I think I have already established that we aren't talking about terrorists here, but actual war, and that I have delivered sufficient examples to reinforce my point, which I feel I have made very clear by now. If you still think otherwise, then there's not much I can do about that I guess.[/QUOTE]
If your talking about war making more technology simply because its war then your wrong )this was explained) But if you are scared that some country is going to attack us well then your in a dream world. Really you haven't given a real reason why we should be spending as much as we are now on the military.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30568270]If your talking about war making more technology simply because its war then your wrong )this was explained) But if you are scared that some country is going to attack us well then your in a dream world. Really you haven't given a real reason why we should be spending as much as we are now on the military.[/QUOTE]
And I explained why I thought I was right, with enough examples to show that it's a fact that war progresses technology, through, among others, increased resources and focus, as a part of the necessity that arises to beat the enemy, which, as I also explained, was why Europe was the technological centre of the world, until the 20th century.
I don't know what you mean about some country attacking us (and my dream world?) and I haven't given any reason as to why it is justified that you are presently spending so much on the military because that was not my point. In fact, I said that I agreed that you shouldn't be spending as much.
[QUOTE=Chrille;30568408]And I explained why I thought I was right, with enough examples to show that it's a fact that war progresses technology, through, among others, increased resources and focus, as a part of the necessity that arises to beat the enemy, which, as I also explained, was why Europe was the technological centre of the world, until the 20th century.[/QUOTE]
Again I never said war doesn't process technology but the reason it does is only because how many resources and we put into it. Do you think europe put that many resources into other things? No because all they cared about at the time was military. You have not explained how going to war somehow makes scientist more willing to invent all you do is say it simply does.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30568510]Again I never said war doesn't process technology but the reason it does is only because how many resources and we put into it. Do you think europe put that many resources into other things? No because all they cared about at the time was military. You have not explained how going to war somehow makes scientist more willing to invent all you do is say it simply does.[/QUOTE]
I said that the resources put into it was because of the necessity to win, and yes I believe that is not the only motivation, as money alone doesn't solve it. An increased focus, and pressure, is what I imagined would also be prominent factors, but probably not the only one. The Manhatten Project, for example, wasn't just the result of resources being put into it.
[QUOTE=Chrille;30568847]I said that the resources put into it was because of the necessity to win, and yes I believe that is not the only motivation, as money alone doesn't solve it. An increased focus, and pressure, is what I imagined would also be prominent factors, but probably not the only one. The Manhatten Project, for example, wasn't just the result of resources being put into it.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't just money it was the amount of scientist as well. Really especially in this day and age there is much more necessity in the medical field where they see that if they don't create a vaccine many will get sick and could die or how about the people creating new organs from scratch knowing that they are on the steps of creating mortality? Dont you think they are more motivated then the scientist making new types of tanks? Really if your talking about pressure then wouldn't the military be the least pressured since they get all this money?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30568948]It wasn't just money it was the amount of scientist as well. Really especially in this day and age there is much more necessity in the medical field where they see that if they don't create a vaccine many will get sick and could die or how about the people creating new organs from scratch knowing that they are on the steps of creating mortality? Dont you think they are more motivated then the scientist making new types of tanks? Really if your talking about pressure then wouldn't the military be the least pressured since they get all this money?[/QUOTE]
I said that this applied more in the past as we are in relatively peaceful times right now. During the Cold War there was pressure. Doing both the World Wars there was pressure. During the many medieval and post-medieval wars of Europe there was pressure. Motivation. Earlier people could also have been driven by nationalism.
The same kind of urgency isn't present in the medical field today. It might have been at earlier points in history, but there is no giant pandemic threatening large populations of any nation right now, and if there is it will be eliminated because of the same principle.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30569068]Yes, they've already done this actually, during the 90's NASA's budget was crap, so they got off their asses and made their stuff run as efficiently as possible, then they got a huge budget boost.
Also you can't compare the military to NASA budget wise, the military has thousands of ships, planes, tanks, and trucks, over a million people, and tens of bases all over the place, meanwhile NASA only has 18,000~ people and a bunch of prototypes, even if you made the military run as efficiently as possible you'd still need billions of dollars to maintain everything.
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Yea but practically everyone can agree they are still getting way more then they need. Really we are the biggest military in the world and even if the budget was halved we still probably would be. Now think about nasa. Its trying to put colonies on fucking mars and not only will this be fucking awesome for the sake of being fucking awesome it has long term practical reasons as well and don't try to pretend that giving them more money and scientist wont work because rockets are expensive and they cant do as many test or have as many brains helping because of there low resources.
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[QUOTE=Chrille;30569064]The same kind of urgency isn't present in the medical field today.[/QUOTE]
The medical field (and science in general) is advancing faster then it ever has. DOnt you think the new finding on how to create organs from scratch or how to make organism live 6 times longer is going to motivate a lot of scientists especially since there own morality rides on there success?
[QUOTE=Araknid;30559465]I cant help but doubt you're actually in the military.[/QUOTE]
notice how i don't say im in the military
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;30576932]notice how i don't say im in the military[/QUOTE]
then don't say dumb shit to make it seem like you are
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30569202]Yea but practically everyone can agree they are still getting way more then they need. Really we are the biggest military in the world and even if the budget was halved we still probably would be.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures[/url]
If we halved our military budget we'd still be beating China by over 100%
A random thought just occurred to me when reading the first few posts: Will there be a day when our society is too spoiled to join the military? I mean I'll admit I could not survive in there, I am just not willing to give up my comfort.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;30544842]Ahaha oh wow, my sides! PvtCupcakes is here to show his fuck the military attitude.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. PvtCupcakes is pretty tough and edgy. I bet he's even got a wallet with an anarchist symbol.
[QUOTE=Cheezy;30543145]This is why we will never actually colonize another planet.[/QUOTE]
Because idiots believe that people spend $20 billion on air conditioning tents.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;30545461]I joined the military to protect the freedoms that we hold dear. Thank you private cupcakes. Thank you for exercising your right to free speech.[/QUOTE]
I thank you.
Without people like you, big oil corporations would lack the freedom to earn a lot of money and we might have to find new, renewable sources of energy that would cost less and be better for the environment.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;30578690]Because idiots believe that people spend $20 billion on air conditioning tents.[/QUOTE]
Yep they are spending it on there secret mantis army.
I think you guys don't realize how shitty being in 100+ degree weather all the time is. Next time you're in the south-west during the summer, sit outside for an hour. Even in shade it's fucking hot. Yeah space is great an all...But we're still many years away from colonization of planets and let's be honest, until they figure out a quicker way to get long distances, no one will volunteer for a 20+ year trip in space.
Wow. We spend more on our air conditioning than some countries spend on their military.
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;30578966]I think you guys don't realize how shitty being in 100+ degree weather all the time is. Next time you're in the south-west during the summer, sit outside for an hour. Even in shade it's fucking hot. Yeah space is great an all...But we're still many years away from colonization of planets and let's be honest, until they figure out a quicker way to get long distances, no one will volunteer for a 20+ year trip in space.[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of research. You just don't go, "Yeah, well, we're far away so let's just not even try" compared to "Yeah, well, we're far away but let's keep funding it so we get closer since it's not just a progress bar that goes up gradually."
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;30578966]I think you guys don't realize how shitty being in 100+ degree weather all the time is. Next time you're in the south-west during the summer, sit outside for an hour. Even in shade it's fucking hot. Yeah space is great an all...But we're still many years away from colonization of planets and let's be honest, until they figure out a quicker way to get long distances, no one will volunteer for a 20+ year trip in space.[/QUOTE]
We could have colonies on mars in my lifetime especially if there budget is raised and yes I have been in 100+ weather I live in California and its summer. You get used to the heat eventually.
since the temperature drops with altitude why dont they make the tents on massive extendo poles
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;30578966]I think you guys don't realize how shitty being in 100+ degree weather all the time is. Next time you're in the south-west during the summer, sit outside for an hour. Even in shade it's fucking hot. Yeah space is great an all...But we're still many years away from colonization of planets and let's be honest, until they figure out a quicker way to get long distances, no one will volunteer for a 20+ year trip in space.[/QUOTE]
we'll never find different propulsion systems without researching them, genius
You won't find them by just throwing money at NASA, either.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30579495]We could have colonies on mars in my lifetime especially if there budget is raised and yes I have been in 100+ weather I live in California and its summer. You get used to the heat eventually.[/QUOTE]I've been living in Arizona for almost eight years. I still haven't gotten use to the damn heat.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30579495]We could have colonies on mars in my lifetime especially if there budget is raised and yes I have been in 100+ weather I live in California and its summer. You get used to the heat eventually.[/QUOTE]
as soon as NASA can prove that they could make a livable area on mars then they would get the funding but they can't because the technology isn't developed (it's not because of money)
Is there already an argument over why these shitloads of money should be poured down the throat of the foreigner killing industry because there is no good reason.
[QUOTE=makingthatmaker;30612082]as soon as NASA can prove that they could make a livable area on mars then they would get the funding but they can't because the technology isn't developed (it's not because of money)[/QUOTE]
More scientist mean more brains thinking about the problem and more money means more experiments and better materials. Cost effectiveness is a huge limitation as well since nasa will need to take time to use cheaper resources.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30615944]More scientist mean more brains thinking about the problem and more money means more experiments and better materials. Cost effectiveness is a huge limitation as well since nasa will need to take time to use cheaper resources.[/QUOTE]
Provide an actual reason to colonize something, not just, "IT WOULD BE COOL" and we'll possibly have more initive... Better yet, why not just have another country do it?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;30618762]Provide an actual reason to colonize something, not just, "IT WOULD BE COOL" and we'll possibly have more initive... Better yet, why not just have another country do it?[/QUOTE]
The Earth doesn't have infinite resources.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30619009]The Earth doesn't have infinite resources.[/QUOTE]
And how can you prove that resources are on other planets?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;30619066]And how can you prove that resources are on other planets?[/QUOTE]
Because the planets aren't holograms.
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