Democrats cling onto the Senate by not much while GOP dominates the House. Prop 19 fails. - Polidicks

Not just anyone can go out and become a CEO. It takes devotion to the company, work ethic, and intelligence, which is why good CEOs are hard to come by, explaining why they get paid so much.

[QUOTE=Strider*;25859924]This isn't even about CEOs it's about upper management jobs. A massage therapist is a very stress free laborer job but does it represent the rest?[/QUOTE] How is a massage therapist stress free? Because they release other peoples? They're not very well paid, nor do they generally get a whole lot of benefits. And so? Upper managers are everywhere, and they're better paid than you think. They get benefits, and they can get jobs elsewhere easily if they're good at their job with a recommendation.

being poor sucks and just living the average life of a poor person is way more stressful then being rich ok

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25859852]then read the other post i made, you get a 5% increase of your money just by putting it in the bank allowing them if they wanted to to live comfortably[/QUOTE] What? Do you even have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

[QUOTE=dj0wns;25859947]Not just anyone can go out and become a CEO. It takes devotion to the company, work ethic, and intelligence, which is why good CEOs are hard to come by, explaining why they get paid so much.[/QUOTE] Oh I agree they have tough jobs, and have to be good at their jobs. But they're not under the same stresses. And there are also a lot of just terrible CEO's.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25859951]How is a massage therapist stress free? Because they release other peoples? They're not very well paid, nor do they generally get a whole lot of benefits. And so? Upper managers are everywhere, and they're better paid than you think. They get benefits, and they can get jobs elsewhere easily if they're good at their job with a recommendation.[/QUOTE] And most upper managers went down a very stressful and hard working path to receive their jobs.

[QUOTE=Strider*;25858913] There is no rule about rising through social classes. Anyone can rise with determination, and hard work. Anyone who denies this is lazy, ignorant, or does not want to accept the facts in front of them.[/QUOTE] While you do hear people who rise from "rags to riches", you do not hear the struggling people who still live in poverty after using a huge amount of determination and hard work.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25858306]All other economic systems either make the poor richer or keep them where they are. Capitalism is the only economic system in history that can actually make them poorer.[/QUOTE] You got it backwards. Other systems make the rich poorer.

[QUOTE=Strider*;25859975]And most upper managers went down a very stressful and hard working path to receive their jobs.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think that stress is more than possibly losing your fucking life at the tip of a hat? REALLY? [editline]4th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;25860021]You got it backwards. Other systems make the rich poorer.[/QUOTE] really? Nope, they just don't let them get super rich super fast. It doesn't make them poorer, it simply slows their profit growth.

[QUOTE=Strider*;25859958]What? Do you even have the slightest clue what you are talking about?[/QUOTE] yea but it seems you cant read or something because i dont think i could have made what i said any more clear. you get paid 5% interest by having money in a savings fund and 5% of a million. now lets say you have 5,000,000, that would mean that every year you would get 250000 just for being rich

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25860083]yea but it seems you cant read or something because i dont think i could have made what i said any more clear. you get paid 5% interest by having money in a savings fund and 5% of a million. now lets say you have 5,000,000, that would mean that every year you would get 250000 just for being rich[/QUOTE] Haha 5% where do you bank at son?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25859761]like i said they could live off the money they have with them with a 5% increase in there income automatically[/QUOTE] Being a CEO doesn't mean you have a 7 figure salary. My dad runs his own business, which makes him a CEO. My mom makes more than him as an office assistant.

[QUOTE=Ridge;25860115]Being a CEO doesn't mean you have a 7 figure salary. My dad runs his own business, which makes him a CEO. My mom makes more than him as an office assistant.[/QUOTE] Or even a 6.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25860083]yea but it seems you cant read or something because i dont think i could have made what i said any more clear. you get paid 5% interest by having money in a savings fund and 5% of a million. now lets say you have 5,000,000, that would mean that every year you would get 250000 just for being rich[/QUOTE] to be honest, no one hear is really understanding what you say. I get what you mean by money in an interest account in a bank, but honestly, it's you, not him. All of us don't get you generally.

[QUOTE=Ridge;25860115]Being a CEO doesn't mean you have a 7 figure salary. My dad runs his own business, which makes him a CEO. My mom makes more than him as an office assistant.[/QUOTE] i was talking about the rich ones because thats what this conversation is about edit I love how you 2 started rating each other agree and rating everyone who doesnt agree dumb

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25860186]i was talking about the rich ones because thats what this conversation is about[/QUOTE] Well then why dont you say Fortune 500 CEOs? You are all arguing about CEOs in general, it would seem.

[QUOTE=Ridge;25860270]Well then why dont you say Fortune 500 CEOs? You are all arguing about CEOs in general, it would seem.[/QUOTE] because the conversation was about rich people, so I thought you would get that the ones we were talking about would be rich

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25859554]A worker making just enough to live comfortably thinks about losing his job and the huge problems to his life that would cause him. The CEO says "Oh no, i can't buy a new 50 foot boat every year now" because he lost his job. Sure, massive hyperbole, but the point is, he's going to be fine without that job. He's more than comfortable, he's fucking rich. He can always work again, but he's fucking rich, he doesn't care about that. That worker, making just enough to live on has less stress than that rich CEO? Really?[/QUOTE] It's all relative, CEO's have to worry about all the work I assume they do, which is probably in massive quantities and is more complex than what a Laborer does. (if they don't do nothing then just tell me)

[quote=news] GOP dominates the House.[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc[/media] [quote=news]Prop 19 fails.[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGfWrJR5Ck[/media]

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25860651]It's all relative, CEO's have to worry about all the work I assume they do, which is probably in massive quantities and is more complex than what a Laborer does. (if they don't do nothing then just tell me)[/QUOTE] Oh I know a good deal of CEO's have lots of work they have to, and a fair bit of it, they don't stress in the same ways, no one stresses about losing their job more than a poor person who's barely getting by.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25860692]Oh I know a good deal of CEO's have lots of work they have to, and a fair bit of it, they don't stress in the same ways, no one stresses about losing their job more than a poor person who's barely getting by.[/QUOTE] That's true, but about strictly job work stressing a CEO does more stressing. But yeah, as a way of making a living a CEO would probably really not want to lose his job, and would probably get pretty stressed, but even if he did he probably knows he can live without it with the money he's made (Talking about supa rich ceo's here)

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25860692]Oh I know a good deal of CEO's have lots of work they have to, and a fair bit of it, they don't stress in the same ways, no one stresses about losing their job more than a poor person who's barely getting by.[/QUOTE] I remember when my mom almost lost her job, it was like she was always on her period and we had to save all the money we could just in case by buying rice and eating it for a month

why do we exactly care that some people are making a lot more money than others? I mean sure there are places like china where the lowest payed are basically wage slaves but China isn't a democracy and people have little say in what sort of things corporations or the government can do. Using China as an example again China was once a "Communist" country that failed miserably in many ways. In the 80s and 90s the country greatly reduced the government involvement and almost all of the "Communism" and started to have a more free market. After this China started to have a larger middle class. Right now it's middle class outnumbers the entire United States' Population. Sure the entire country isn't as much better off but it wasn't until they became more capitalistic that they started to see a rise in the standard of living for pretty much all of the Chinese people (except for some of the ones that are still on farms).

[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25860773]why do we exactly care that some people are making a lot more money than others? I mean sure there are places like china where the lowest payed are basically wage slaves but China isn't a democracy and people have little say in what sort of things corporations or the government can do. Using China as an example again China was once a "Communist" country that failed miserably in many ways. In the 80s and 90s the country greatly reduced the government involvement and almost all of the "Communism" and started to have a more free market. After this China started to have a larger middle class. Right now it's middle class outnumbers the entire United States' Population. Sure the entire country isn't as much better off but it wasn't until they became more capitalistic that they started to see a rise in the standard of living for pretty much all of the Chinese people (except for some of the ones that are still on farms).[/QUOTE] ...See... You're saying a free market is what caused that. It isn't. It's a very left leaning "free" market. It helps because it's a better market system than a free market system. It's like saying add a bit of socialism to a free market and it makes it entirely socialist. It's still a "communist" system, just infused with a degree of capitalism.

well as long as there is a way to gain something from hurting others then there will always be corrupt people but i would agree that not putting limits on capitalism is horrible

[QUOTE=Strider*;25859047]Name me one person who puts in a twelve hour day with the amount of stress and time away from home an accomplished businessman does. And worked just as hard to be in the position they are in now.[/QUOTE] I may be a page late, but just to say, I really hate these statements, a lot. When I was 12 years old or so, my dad worked in retail, he couldn't find a job anywhere else. He worked at a toy store and would come home after midnight, so I would never get to see him. He left the house at about 9:00 AM. Excluding his horrible 1 hour commute through the D.C. area, he would probably work around 10-12 hours a day. And this is simply working at a toystore. He worked his hardest, harder than other employees, helped customers out, and constantly organized the store, but his boss would never give him any more than $10 an hour. He went through plenty of stress, didn't get enough sleep, and often worked on weekends. Now, he may not have gone through 4 years of college or done as well in school than these "accomplished businessmen," but he damn well worked just as hard as one. Just wanted to throw that out.

[QUOTE=TheLocoMofo;25861162]I may be a page late, but just to say, I really hate these statements, a lot. When I was 12 years old or so, my dad worked in retail, he couldn't find a job anywhere else. He worked at a toy store and would come home after midnight, so I would never get to see him. He left the house at about 9:00 AM. Excluding his horrible 1 hour commute through the D.C. area, he would probably work around 10-12 hours a day. And this is simply working at a toystore. He worked his hardest, harder than other employees, helped customers out, and constantly organized the store, but his boss would never give him any more than $10 an hour. He went through plenty of stress, didn't get enough sleep, and often worked on weekends. Now, he may not have gone through 4 years of college or done as well in school than these "accomplished businessmen," but he damn well worked just as hard as one. Just wanted to throw that out.[/QUOTE] While I do not doubt your father is a hard working man, the work that a toy store worker has to do is not comparable to the work a CEO has to do.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25861367]While I do not doubt your father is a hard working man, the work that a toy store worker has to do is not comparable to the work a CEO has to do.[/QUOTE] What the work is is fucking irrelevant. A taxing mental job verse a very physical trades job? Verse a cashier/salesmen at a really busy store? May not sound like it's hard, but it is. I worked in retail at a decently sized, extremely busy store, and that work is VERY hard.

poor people argue more and beat there wife/husband more then rich, and its thought to be caused by stress

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25861390]What the work is is fucking irrelevant. A taxing mental job verse a very physical trades job? Verse a cashier/salesmen at a really busy store? May not sound like it's hard, but it is. I worked in retail at a decently sized, extremely busy store, and that work is VERY hard.[/QUOTE] I think the type of work makes it harder to gauge which is harder than the other, making these arguments up to experience or just plain assuming.