1st US Cavalry Division helps 9-year-old boy with muscular dystrophy fulfill dream of becoming a sol - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth and it would be honorable for me to join the military when i grow up so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question [/QUOTE] I never said anything along those lines but whatever

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth and it would be honorable for me to join the military when i grow up so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question [/QUOTE] Sounds like you're saying... -National pride is bad, don't have it because its a sign of brainwashing -I'm happy for you, kid, for getting to live your dreams, but your dreams suck and are the result of indoctrination you poor sheeple you

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth and it would be honorable for me to join the military when i grow up so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question [/QUOTE] Eh, I come from a pretty liberal family, and I am pretty liberal myself, who was brought up in a very liberal city, in a crime free neighborhood and school district, I grew up with a bunch of people who believed the Iraq and Afghanistan war are wrong and the justification for them is null, which i partly agree with, I never supported bush, and I have never really been overly patriotic, and I enlisted. Im the exact opposite of your stereotypical teen who would join, I dont want to hurt anyone unnecessarily, and most of the other recruiters are much like me. I dont see why you have the notion that everyone who joins is brainwashed from birth. Stop being so black and white about this, Christ. I understand you may not like the military, but you're so overly negative, and refuse to entertain the idea that there could be more than two sides of the coin, when in reality there's hundreds of way to approach this. I understand you don't like how glorified violence in our culture is, and how war machines are gawed at and admired, but this is the reality of the world we live in, you can either adjust to it, do something productive such improve the world you live in or you could be angsty about it in a corner on facepunch.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39562414]Thats great for the kid but its a bit worrying kids dream of growing up to be soldiers[/QUOTE] Muscular Dystrophy isn't a disease someone has for a "long time" if you get what I mean. He most likely will not make it to be old enough to enlist. Even if he did, Military work is very rigorous, and because he has MD he will most likely get denied. The fact that hes in a wheelchair pretty much proves that.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;39571398]Eh, I come from a pretty liberal family, and I am pretty liberal myself, who was brought up in a very liberal city, in a crime free neighborhood and school district, I grew up with a bunch of people who believed the Iraq and Afghanistan war are wrong and the justification for them is null, which i partly agree with, I never supported bush, and I have never really been overly patriotic, and I enlisted. Im the exact opposite of your stereotypical teen who would join, I dont want to hurt anyone unnecessarily, and most of the other recruiters are much like me. I dont see why you have the notion that everyone who joins is brainwashed from birth. Stop being so black and white about this, Christ. I understand you may not like the military, but you're so overly negative, and refuse to entertain the idea that there could be more than two sides of the coin, when in reality there's hundreds of way to approach this. I understand you don't like how glorified violence in our culture is, and how war machines are gawed at and admired, but this is the reality of the world we live in, you can either adjust to it, do something productive such improve the world you live in or you could be angsty about it in a corner on facepunch.[/QUOTE] i never said any of that nor did i imply it has to do with liberal v conservative and thank you for that closing line where you basically acknowledged my point about our culture is valid you just are apathetic and would rather i shut up about it rather than voice an opinion you disagree with [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39570798]Sounds like you're saying... -National pride is bad, don't have it because its a sign of brainwashing -I'm happy for you, kid, for getting to live your dreams, but your dreams suck and are the result of indoctrination you poor sheeple you[/QUOTE] maybe if you read at a 4th grade level and have trouble taking things at face value rather than trying to skew what i said into some massively oversimplified strawman bullshit yes but to anyone who isnt being a complete moron all i'm saying is that american culture glorifies and idolizes what should be at the very least a controversial, adult topic/profession and does so relentlessly, which results in the indoctrination of american children into an extremely pro-military viewpoint before they're old enough to consider the impact of that viewpoint. national pride isn't inherently bad but its dangerous and the notion that saying national pride MIGHT be bad is what makes it bad in the first place

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39572258]i never said any of that nor did i imply it has to do with liberal v conservative and thank you for that closing line where you basically acknowledged my point about our culture is valid you just are apathetic and would rather i shut up about it rather than voice an opinion you disagree with maybe if you read at a 4th grade level and have trouble taking things at face value rather than trying to skew what i said into some massively oversimplified strawman bullshit yes but to anyone who isnt being a complete moron all i'm saying is that american culture glorifies and idolizes what should be at the very least a controversial, adult topic/profession and does so relentlessly, which results in the indoctrination of american children into an extremely pro-military viewpoint before they're old enough to consider the impact of that viewpoint. national pride isn't inherently bad but its dangerous and the notion that saying national pride MIGHT be bad is what makes it bad in the first place[/QUOTE] I feel that you have been indoctrinated to believe that the military is the worst possible thing ever, completely avoiding the fact that it offers a multitude of services other than killing people. But who am I to say that, I'm a slave to the American system brainwashed by the government to want to join the military and kill people.

[QUOTE=Amez;39572341]I feel that you have been indoctrinated to believe that the military is the worst possible thing ever, completely avoiding the fact that it offers a multitude of services other than killing people. But who am I to say that, I'm a slave to the American system brainwashed by the government to want to join the military and kill people.[/QUOTE] Yes soldiers do a lot of good on the side, and yes they are necessary, but pretending they aren't paid killers is stupid. It's like saying a fireman doesn't fight fires because they also respond to car accidents.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091] why do kids find camo/jets/helis/tanks/ships cool? i'm pretty sure we aren't biologically predisposed to find artificial war machinery cool, so maybe it has to do with a culture that is constantly glorifying and praising those machines and the people who pilot them?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure kids found the lines and form of fighter planes attractive... I liked them before I knew that they were capable of delivering high explosives with pinpoint precision on insurgents, they just look pretty in flight ,more so than ungainly civilian aircraft, with their simple delta wings. Same thing with helicopters, the way they appear to levitate, etc.

Can't we all just get our heads out of our ass and enjoy this humble thing people. No need to get into politics, but to merely appreciate what we have before us.

Damn, how did we get from an adorable, touching story to... this? oh, kopimi. ok.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;39575101]Damn, how did we get from an adorable, touching story to... this? oh, kopimi. ok.[/QUOTE] Well kopimi and the plethora of people, including a moderator, who argued with him

[QUOTE=-n3o-;39574771]Can't we all just get our heads out of our ass and enjoy this humble thing people. No need to get into politics, but to merely appreciate what we have before us.[/QUOTE] Whay's the point of a forum if we're all supposed to just sit around and agree?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39572258] maybe if you read at a 4th grade level and have trouble taking things at face value rather than trying to skew what i said into some massively oversimplified strawman bullshit yes but to anyone who isnt being a complete moron all i'm saying is that american culture glorifies and idolizes what should be at the very least a controversial, adult topic/profession and does so relentlessly, which results in the indoctrination of american children into an extremely pro-military viewpoint before they're old enough to consider the impact of that viewpoint. national pride isn't inherently bad but its dangerous and the notion that saying national pride MIGHT be bad is what makes it bad in the first place[/QUOTE] A: Holyshit, even if I [I]am[/I] reading at only a 4th grade level, you're writing several grades below that. Its called a period and a carriage return, please learn how to use them. B: You [I]literally said,[/I] like, direct quote, [quote]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth and it would be honorable for me to join the military when i grow up so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question[/quote] There is no skewing your words into some massively oversimplified strawman bullshit here, thats straight up what you said. You literally said "that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth" which would mean you weren't raised thinking your country wasn't the greatest on earth which means you have a lowered sense of national pride than others and also means that [I]having[/I] national pride is a sign that your parents indoctrinated you from birth. Then you went on to say, right past that, "...and it would be honorable for me to join the military when I grow up so I could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question" Which considering this was directly run in with your previous statement about indoctrination, is quite obviously saying that considering a job in the military to be honourable is [I]also[/I] a result of indoctrination. If those two statements were not meant to be tied together, then you probably should have utilised the aformentioned period, or perhaps the comma, or some other form of punctuation commonly used to separate statements in a paragraph. Please tell me again how I'm reading this at a 4th grade level and am having trouble directly interpreting your statements at face value.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575486]A: Holyshit, even if I [I]am[/I] reading at only a 4th grade level, you're writing several grades below that. Its called a period and a carriage return, please learn how to use them. B: You [I]literally said,[/I] like, direct quote, There is no skewing your words into some massively oversimplified strawman bullshit here, thats straight up what you said. You literally said "that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth" which would mean you weren't raised thinking your country wasn't the greatest on earth which means you have a lowered sense of national pride than others and also means that [I]having[/I] national pride is a sign that your parents indoctrinated you from birth. Then you went on to say, right past that, "...and it would be honorable for me to join the military when I grow up so I could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question" Which considering this was directly run in with your previous statement about indoctrination, is quite obviously saying that considering a job in the military to be honourable is [I]also[/I] a result of indoctrination. If those two statements were not meant to be tied together, then you probably should have utilised the aformentioned period, or perhaps the comma, or some other form of punctuation commonly used to separate statements in a paragraph. Please tell me again how I'm reading this at a 4th grade level and am having trouble directly interpreting your statements at face value.[/QUOTE] Nope, never said national pride or military service is always caused by indoctrination, only that for a child without the capacity to think critically about his government or military feeling such deeply rooted national pride and idolization of military is a result of indoctrination. Nobody gives a shit about your carriage return if you're not capable of interpreting simple text without applying your own ridiculous straw man filters.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39575525]Nope, never said national pride or military service is always caused by indoctrination, only that for a child without the capacity to think critically about his government or military feeling such deeply rooted national pride and idolization of military is a result of indoctrination. Nobody gives a shit about your carriage return if you're not capable of interpreting simple text without applying your own ridiculous straw man filters.[/QUOTE] But you [I][B]LITERALLY FUCKING SAID[/B][/I] [QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family [B]indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth [/B]and it would be [B]honorable for me to join the military when i grow up [/B]so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question[/QUOTE] [I]What else am I supposed to get from what you FUCKING SAID.[/I]

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575551]But you [I][B]LITERALLY FUCKING SAID[/B][/I] [I]What else am I supposed to get from what you FUCKING SAID.[/I][/QUOTE] That children are taught from birth their country is infallible and their military is honorable. ie what I said lmfao. Take it literally and calm down

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39562414]Thats great for the kid but its a bit worrying kids dream of growing up to be soldiers[/QUOTE] How is that even slightly odd? Kids love playing with guns and shit so it's a pretty easy connection. So many posts in this thread of people trying so hard to be ~edgy~ that they look like complete fucking idiots.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;39575625]How is that even slightly odd? Kids love playing with guns and shit so it's a pretty easy connection. [/QUOTE] I wonder why

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39569091]no i had a very healthy and well adjusted childhood that didn't involve my family indoctrinating me from birth to believe my country was the greatest on earth and it would be honorable for me to join the military when i grow up so i could carry out the will of my nation's military leaders without question[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kopimi;39575589]That children are taught from birth their country is infallible and their military is honorable. ie what I said lmfao. Take it literally and calm down[/QUOTE] Are those two statements the same, then?

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575642]Are those two statements the same, then?[/QUOTE] Yeah?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39575589]That children are taught from birth their country is infallible and their military is honorable. ie what I said lmfao. Take it literally and calm down[/QUOTE] yeah but by the time they grow up enough to be eligible for military service they would probably have formed their own opinions and grown out of their "indoctrination" so what's the problem here ?? the kid had a good time and everyone was fine with it

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39575653]Yeah?[/QUOTE] So then you are equating "indoctrination" to "being taught to you while you're growing up"?

I'm happy for the kid. But war is war, and war brings killing of innocent people. I don't blame the soldiers (At least most of the time, still tho they sometimes have part in something that never should of happened.) I've seen too much shit within war, and I don't think war justifies anything.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575686]So then you are equating "indoctrination" to "being taught to you while you're growing up"?[/QUOTE] Yeah but I think theres a difference between teaching math and political ideology.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39575882]Yeah but I think theres a difference between teaching math and political ideology.[/QUOTE] Okay... so if the original two statements I asked you about are the same, then why are you saying you never said the first one.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575999]Okay... so if the original two statements I asked you about are the same, then why are you saying you never said the first one.[/QUOTE] Just fucking drop it already.

[QUOTE=Persious;39576095]Just fucking drop it already.[/QUOTE] Aight fine whatever. Kopimi, you're an idiot. 100% idiot.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39562822]Please, who the fuck would invade the US. This isn't 1780 anymore. The argument that a country needs a military to defend itself is outdated and bogus, not to mention blatant propagandist nonsense. The less soldiers there are in the world, the closer we'd be to world peace.[/QUOTE] israel atrocity apologist saying there should be no army for mega peace, my sides hurt lmao

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39575999]Okay... so if the original two statements I asked you about are the same, then why are you saying you never said the first one.[/QUOTE] I did say the first one. What I didn't say is your moronix straw man representation of what I meant. Go take a nap or something.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39562999]I think cultural glorification of warfare and conducting warfare is unhealthy and even more so when children are audience to that culture of war and blind patriotism as they grow up. Soldiers do good but to pretend the job of the military isn't largely, primarily to conduct warfare and military conflict is ridiculous. If you're an adult and you feel you want to "serve your country" go ahead, but yes I do find it unsettling that its normal for children to grow up glorifying and idolizing people who are, for better or worse, hired guns for the US military. Whether or not you believe in the military and find service honorable, I feel like it shouldn't be controversial to be unnerved by children with no understanding of how brutal and dehumanizing war can be, dreaming of growing up to be soldiers because of American culture's one sided glorification of war.[/QUOTE] so every time a soilder is represented in anything which might be seen by children there should be a list of every single person they have murdered and a video warning that being a soilder means you do bad things??