[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26514829]because its a law isnt a reason for it to be right[/QUOTE]
It's moral because it's the law it's the law because it's moral.
:v:
you could say a hot girl sleeping with a rich guy as taking advantage but yet not illegal. There are many ways but as long as both parties say yes then let them do it
That's taking advantage of someone by having sex with them, not taking advantage to have sex.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26514846]It's a 14 year old. Can't you just fuck people at your own age?[/QUOTE]
i wouldt do anything to a 14 year old but some guys just like 14 year olds or cant get anyone else.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26514879]i wouldt do anything to a 14 year old but some guys just like 14 year olds or cant get anyone else.[/QUOTE]
That's most commonly related to being pedo. And if an 18 year old can't get any on their age, they sure as fuck shouldn't be doing a 14 year old.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26514899]That's most commonly related to being pedo. And if an 18 year old can't get any on their age, they sure as fuck shouldn't be doing a 14 year old.[/QUOTE]
so what about a 60 year old wih an 18 year old. one is smarter and all the things you talked about with the 18 to 14 thing but yet its still legal
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26514923]so what about a 60 year old wih an 18 year old. one is smarter and all the things you talked about with the 18 to 14 thing but yet its still legal[/QUOTE]
18 year olds are adults.
I have no idea what you both are talking about anymore.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515000]18 year olds are adults.[/QUOTE]
yea but they are still dumb. especially compared to a 60 year old
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26513078]Seems like a slippery slope to me. A peeping tom will find his desires satisfied by squatting outside windows for a while, and such deviancy is a sign of sickness in and of itself, but for anybody who's sick enough it's only a matter of time until just watching doesn't do the trick anymore. The same seems true for people who get off to children. By allowing them the luxury to practice such deviancy, doesn't it seem like we're fueling a dangerous school of thought?[/QUOTE]
Well then how about we punish these "deviants" when they actually harm someone, and not [i]before[/i] as you seem to condone?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26513432]The key difference here is that a sexual attraction to young children is a pretty clear sign that instability already exists. I'm not saying that everybody who jacks it to Loli is one day going to go out and try to coax a child into having sex, or worse, outright rape one, but I can't agree with allowing child pornography to exist in any format for the fact that a mental crack can always be widened. Child porn only appeals to a fringe group of deviants, and pedophiles aren't the sort of people that I'm eager to please.[/QUOTE]
You are not a psychiatrist. You can't say that this will "widen a mental crack" because you are not qualified to speak to anyone's mind. And it's all fine and dandy that you don't want to please people who are attracted to children, but guess what: they can't help it. They're not doing anything wrong as long as they are not harming a child and if their urges can be satisfied by some cartoons then I say let them have those cartoons. They can remain a functional member of society and children will remain unharmed. There is absolutely no downside. And if it isn't good enough for someone and they actually harm a child, then we can prosecute them using laws already in place.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26513902]Yeah, I'm clearly in the wrong here. I'll change my stance to adhere to the popular argument: pedophilia rocks, everybody should get off to child porn.[/quote]
That's not what we are saying at all. I thought attacking strawmen was above you but your increasingly idiotic posts seem to suggest otherwise. That last thread we had an argument on was the first time I noticed that you're becoming increasingly socially conservative and I guess the transformation has finally come full circle. What happened to you, man? Logical fallacies are (were, I guess) above you.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26513902]I'm sorry, I try my best to be open-minded, and to extend social liberties to everybody, but I will never be able to tolerate pedophilia. Say what you will, but I simply cannot condone giving warm, rose-colored acceptance to people who think of children as sexual objects, and this is a position I will not budge on.[/QUOTE]
Good job, you are demonizing a group of people based on irrational fear and ignorance. You're a social conservative.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26515036]yea but they are still dumb. especially compared to a 60 year old[/QUOTE]
Adults do as they wish as long as it doesn't break a law.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515046]Adults do as they wish as long as it doesn't break a law.[/QUOTE]
wait why is it so much better that a person who is 42 years older be able to have sex with an 18 year old but yet a person who is 18 cant have sex with a 14 year old just because the person is an adult
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26515087]wait why is it so much better that a person who is 42 years older be able to have sex with an 18 year old but yet a person who is 18 cant have sex with a 14 year old just because the person is an adult[/QUOTE]
Hey there mister stop pointing out the flaws in society right this instant.
I'm probably not the only one here thinking this, but could the chatroom like conversation going on between Sillypigdude and whatshisname kind of, carry on in PM form rather than taking up 30 posts per page?
Or at least, can you try and get more said in less posts?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26515087]wait why is it so much better that a person who is 42 years older be able to have sex with an 18 year old but yet a person who is 18 cant have sex with a 14 year old just because the person is an adult[/QUOTE]
One is a kid, the other is an adult. Can't you get that into your head?
I agree with Zeke. I admit this is a difficult subject for anything, but I'm fairly pleased with the reasonably intelligent discussion, and I'd like to thank most of you for being little scientists, not soccer mums.
Big Dumb. Come on man, you're far better than this.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515118]One is a kid, the other is an adult. Can't you get that into your head?[/QUOTE]
a person who is 17 and 11 months old is not much smarter then a person who is 18
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;26515125]I agree with Zeke. I admit this is a difficult subject for anything, but I'm fairly pleased with the reasonably intelligent discussion, and I'd like to thank most of you for being little scientists, not soccer mums.[/QUOTE]
It isn't really a difficult subject once you stop your knee from jerking.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515118]One is a kid, the other is an adult. Can't you get that into your head?[/QUOTE]
A 14 year old can be sexually mature. A 14 year old can be smart. An 18 year old can be stupid as fuck, and in rare cases have retarded sexual maturity.
What's your point? Because you can't really draw a line down the middle and say "this is an adult" from a biological perspective.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26515135]a person who is 17 and 11 months old is not much smarter then a person who is 18[/QUOTE]
I didn't assume the age of consent was 18, but 16.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26515142]It isn't really a difficult subject once you stop your knee from jerking.[/QUOTE]
She bleeds she breeds.
That should be the law
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515320]I didn't assume the age of consent was 18, but 16.[/QUOTE]
so a 16 year old and a 14 year old is wrong? but I saw that in high school all the time
[QUOTE=BmB;26515262]What's your point? Because you can't really draw a line down the middle and say "this is an adult" from a biological perspective.[/QUOTE]
We can't run around like soccer moms protecting the "innocent" minds of adults, but we can give legal rights and advantages in sexual cases to underage kids/children/teens.
18 year olds can sleep with people as old as they fucking please, nobody cares.
But if they decide to take advantage of the minors, the people and the law sure as fuck wont just stand by and watch.
[editline]6th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26515342]so a 16 year old and a 14 year old is wrong? but I saw that in high school all the time[/QUOTE]
That's up to the courts to decide, but 15&16 relationsships are usually ignored.
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515380]We can't run around like soccer moms protecting the "innocent" minds of adults, but we can give legal rights and advantages in sexual cases to underage kids/children/teens.
18 year olds can sleep with people as old as they fucking please, nobody cares.
But if they decide to take advantage of the minors, the people and the law sure as fuck wont just stand by and watch.
[editline]6th December 2010[/editline]
That's up to the courts to decide, but 15&16 relationsships are usually ignored.[/QUOTE]
What if an 18 year old wants down with a 16 year old? That's not taking advantage, especially considering the 16 year old is entirely capable of being more mature than the 18 year old.
stop calling it taking advantage of because if both want it then its not really taking advantage of. a young women could be taking advantage of an old rich man by marring them but its not illegal
[QUOTE=BmB;26515435]What if an 18 year old wants down with a 16 year old? That's not taking advantage, especially considering the 16 year old is entirely capable of being more mature than the 18 year old.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly why it's legal. :downs:
Which makes me wonder what you guys think you've been talking about.
In terms of laws, you have to go by generalizations based on mental maturity. Generally, an 18-year-old will be more mentally mature than a 16-year-old - thus, it can be assumed that the 16-year-old may not be fully aware of the choices they make. While it would be better to go by things on a case-by-case basis, that's impossible.
E: Isn't this just /one/ study, anyway? What do other studies say?
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;26515477]That's exactly why it's legal. :downs:
Which makes me wonder what you guys think you've been talking about.[/QUOTE]
well then a 16 with a 14
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26515640]
E: Isn't this just /one/ study, anyway? What do other studies say?[/QUOTE]
it looks like the study was pretty conclusive
As long as it didn't involve physical interaction in any way, I'm pretty much okay with that.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;26515125]I agree with Zeke. I admit this is a difficult subject for anything, but I'm fairly pleased with the reasonably intelligent discussion, and I'd like to thank most of you for being little scientists, not soccer mums.[/QUOTE]
Nobody in this thread is a scientist
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