Steve Wozniak: "I wish my [iPhone] did all the things my Android does, I really do" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=chugmuffin;34263450]Have you ever used an android phone?[/QUOTE] Probably something like the HTC ChaCha. All around horrible Android phone, both on the software side (thanks to HTC's customization) and the hardware side (wannabe gimped blackberry like design)

It all makes sense now guys [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WHl7j.jpg[/IMG]

What the fuck the iPhone is actually a great phone. I use a PC because I can understand and deal with complexity and a wide variety of options when using my computer and am willing to take the time and effort to utilize those tools properly, but I don't need a phone that can understand the mysteries of the universe with 10,000,000 'customization' options so I can feel like a true elitist.

[QUOTE=Groat;34263868]What the fuck the iPhone is actually a great phone. I use a PC because I can understand and deal with complexity and a wide variety of options when using my computer and am willing to take the time and effort to utilize those tools properly, but I don't need a phone that can understand the mysteries of the universe with 10,000,000 'customization' options so I can feel like a true elitist.[/QUOTE] The iPhone is great, but the whole "iPhone is simple, Android is too complicated" argument is totally retarded, as both are perfectly usable out of the box, the only difference being that Android has a lot more options that you can access if you want to, and they're hardly in the way of functionality. (personally, I'd choose my SSGS over an iPhone any time, though that's personal preference)

[QUOTE=Groat;34263868]What the fuck the iPhone is actually a great phone.[/QUOTE] So what about that poor reception problems they've had? Wouldn't that render it quite useless? [QUOTE=Groat;34263868] I use a PC because I can understand and deal with complexity and a wide variety of options when using my computer and am willing to take the time and effort to utilize those tools properly, but I don't need a phone that can understand the mysteries of the universe with 10,000,000 'customization' options so I can feel like a true elitist.[/QUOTE] Again, all down to personal preferences. If it could play Angry birds you would probably be happy with a Nokia 3310.

[QUOTE=Groat;34263868]What the fuck the iPhone is actually a great phone. I use a PC because I can understand and deal with complexity and a wide variety of options when using my computer and am willing to take the time and effort to utilize those tools properly, but I don't need a phone that can understand the mysteries of the universe with 10,000,000 'customization' options so I can feel like a true elitist.[/QUOTE] Then don't use the customization options. They're called "options" for a reason I mean, fuck, Android isn't hard to use at all and you guys are making it sound like it's fucking complicated

[QUOTE=V12US;34260855]I really don't understand why people are so condescending towards apple. Some people aren't techies. I know I'm not. I can't be arsed to spend a whole evening tweaking my gadgets to get the most out of them. I have a cheap secondhand iPhone and iPad, and they both work well and do what I need them to do, without any hassle. Some people just have different priorities.[/QUOTE] It isn't so much about the gadgets they sell. Its the company practices such as patent-wars and other bullshit tactics.

[QUOTE=Groat;34263868]What the fuck the iPhone is actually a great phone. I use a PC because I can understand and deal with complexity and a wide variety of options when using my computer and am willing to take the time and effort to utilize those tools properly, but I don't need a phone that can understand the mysteries of the universe with 10,000,000 'customization' options so I can feel like a true elitist.[/QUOTE] We're not saying it's a crap phone. We are saying that it could be so much better if it had less restrictions.

I just got an Android tablet and it doesn't seem any more complex than the iOS... Of course, it can be more complex if I want it do be.

My only problem with the Galaxy Nexus is the battery; from what I've experienced, Apple is the master of device batteries. I've read about something I can download onto the phone, but I just can't be hassled to go through that process, which is where I can understand people preferring iPhones where they don't have to fiddle with anything. The iPad has an amazing battery; if you leave it off and never use it for a while the battery keeps the charge, and then when you use it again it drains very slowly.

I fully agree. Apple technology is technology for the masses. It's simple, light, and user friendly. It allows for a pick-up-and-go strategy and is basic and obvious enough to allow even the most technologically impaired individual learn how to operate it within hours. Android is, from my view, a sort of linux for the phone world. It can be used straight up, but if you know what you're doing, it can hold the potential of a whole new operating system.

I wish I could install Linux on my Galaxy Tab. I'd use Xfce and Skype for Linux and cancel everything in my plan but internet. I'm sorry but I'd take Fedora over Android any day.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34265877]I wish I could install Linux on my Galaxy Tab. I'd use Xfce and Skype for Linux and cancel everything in my plan but internet. I'm sorry but I'd take Fedora over Android any day.[/QUOTE] How well does Fedora support touch interfaces out of the box?

[QUOTE=lavacano;34265989]How well does Fedora support touch interfaces out of the box?[/QUOTE] I think there is a kernel module built into the kernel that allows for touch interfaces, you can configure them with xorg.conf I think. Most of the time it works out of the box just fine though. My friend said it worked on his tablet out of the box with Fedora 15..

[QUOTE=V12US;34260855]I really don't understand why people are so condescending towards apple. Some people aren't techies. I know I'm not. I can't be arsed to spend a whole evening tweaking my gadgets to get the most out of them. I have a cheap secondhand iPhone and iPad, and they both work well and do what I need them to do, without any hassle. Some people just have different priorities.[/QUOTE] I really don't understand where people get this idea that Android phones are a "hassle" I've used both and one's really not any easier than the other

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;34266056]I really don't understand where people get this idea that Android phones are a "hassle" I've used both and one's really not any easier than the other[/QUOTE] Apparently been given the options to [I]optionally[/I] tweak with some settings are considered a hassle nowadays.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;34260715]Apple: happy to make tech for people that are scared of tech.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of that "Is it any wonder people are afraid of technology?" video. :v: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__OBMjZkATI[/media]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;34263631]What's so terrible about it?[/QUOTE] The hardware buttons specifcally on Android phones pre 4.0/Galaxy Nexus. The menu buttons serves as a "I don't know how to fit this in the UI" button, the back button is badly and inconsistently implemented (the back button on WP7 is stupid too, but MS enforce guidelines to keep it consistent) and he search button has been depreciated by Google anyway. As for Ice Cream sandwich (atleast on a Galaxy Nexus), they replaced the hardware buttons with software buttons, but the software buttons aren't any smarter than the hardware buttons they replace. If you click home to go on the home screen, it still shows the home button (and vibrates on press!) even though it does nothing. Yet for the sake of compatibly, they will hide and show the menu button in older Android apps. Same thing happens with the back button. And the back button is stupid too. Imagine if you press back on your web browser, and it shut the window. It's ridiculous. I mean that it took just now (almost 3.5/4 years after Android officially launched) for Google to actually make style guidelines for it's platform that it (and it alone) owns says it all. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] I mean in this photo [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxv97lxktv1r5jxiq.png[/IMG] why 2 back buttons? Image from [url]http://alanzeino.tumblr.com/post/15917457226/androids-broken-software-buttons[/url]

Good thing Apple isn't really selling a product but a brand and associated lifestyle

[QUOTE=V12US;34260855]I really don't understand why people are so condescending towards apple. Some people aren't techies. I know I'm not. I can't be arsed to spend a whole evening tweaking my gadgets to get the most out of them. I have a cheap secondhand iPhone and iPad, and they both work well and do what I need them to do, without any hassle. Some people just have different priorities.[/QUOTE] Except my N9 is also incredibly easy to use, yet it also has very advanced functionality

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]The hardware buttons specifcally on Android phones pre 4.0/Galaxy Nexus. The menu buttons serves as a "I don't know how to fit this in the UI" button, the back button is badly and inconsistently implemented (the back button on WP7 is stupid too, but MS enforce guidelines to keep it consistent) and he search button has been depreciated by Google anyway. As for Ice Cream sandwich (atleast on a Galaxy Nexus), they replaced the hardware buttons with software buttons, but the software buttons aren't any smarter than the hardware buttons they replace. If you click home to go on the home screen, it still shows the home button (and vibrates on press!) even though it does nothing. Yet for the sake of compatibly, they will hide and show the menu button in older Android apps. Same thing happens with the back button. And the back button is stupid too. Imagine if you press back on your web browser, and it shut the window. It's ridiculous. I mean that it took just now (almost 3.5/4 years after Android officially launched) for Google to actually make style guidelines for it's platform that it (and it alone) owns says it all. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] I mean in this photo [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxv97lxktv1r5jxiq.png[/IMG] why 2 back buttons? Image from [url]http://alanzeino.tumblr.com/post/15917457226/androids-broken-software-buttons[/url][/QUOTE] You have valid points for the most part, but I disagree with a few. [quote]The menu buttons serves as a "I don't know how to fit this in the UI" button[/quote] I personally disagree, when done properly I've found that this is the easiest and most intuitive way to access settings and advanced controls, versus having a button on a page in the app somewhere. Your mileage may vary. Think of it as this [img]http://puu.sh/dOw7[/img] vs. this [img]http://puu.sh/dOwr[/img] [quote] If you click home to go on the home screen, it still shows the home button (and vibrates on press!) even though it does nothing.[/quote] For most launchers (home screens) I've used, the home button while on home screen can have multiple functions that you can assign. Some have it do nothing, some have it so that it takes you to your primary screen, some have it so that it opens the app drawer or an application (like phone or messaging,) and some have it set to open the home screen editor so you can move things around. (Though if it were to hide if you have it set to do nothing would be a nice feature.) [quote]Imagine if you press back on your web browser, and it shut the window. It's ridiculous.[/quote] I have been using Android for over a year now and I have never experienced this in any app I have used. For everything else, you're right. Especially on this point. [quote]I mean that it took just now (almost 3.5/4 years after Android officially launched) for Google to actually make style guidelines for it's platform that it (and it alone) owns says it all.[/quote] You're blind if you don't agree. But at the same time I don't think these minor discrepancies are the end of the world and they certainly don't make it a terrible platform. It just creates a slight annoyance.

[quote]while he admits that iOS is more immediately user-friendly, he went on to explain that with Android phones "if you're willing to do the work to understand it a little bit, well I hate to say it, but there's more available in some ways." [/quote] i love this article because its a fair description of both devices, with no fanboyism involved iphone is incredibly user friendly and standardized, by no measures a "worse phone" than android, but if you're into customization and making your device your own, android is the way to go

[QUOTE=Terminutter;34260789]I've always liked Wozniak, it's just that Jobs always managed to get himself put in front of the camera instead, and took credit for everything.[/QUOTE] Well, as a CEO, it's kind of excused if you want to represent your company in advertisements.

[QUOTE=mysteryman;34265726]I fully agree. Apple technology is technology for the masses. It's simple, light, and user friendly. It allows for a pick-up-and-go strategy and is basic and obvious enough to allow even the most technologically impaired individual learn how to operate it within hours. Android is, from my view, a sort of linux for the phone world. It can be used straight up, but if you know what you're doing, it can hold the potential of a whole new operating system.[/QUOTE] tbh, you can definitely tweak iphones if you jailbreak them. Lots of cool stuff on cydia.

[QUOTE=Van-man;34263999]So what about that poor reception problems they've had? Wouldn't that render it quite useless? Again, all down to personal preferences. If it could play Angry birds you would probably be happy with a Nokia 3310.[/QUOTE] I've never had a reception problem because I don't hold my phone retardedly when I talk on it, and also trying to imply that I'm a filthy [i]casual[/i] for even owning something that can play Angry Birds is kind of immature and stupid. [QUOTE=trotskygrad;34264741]We're not saying it's a crap phone. We are saying that it could be so much better if it had less restrictions.[/QUOTE] That's all Apple Products in general though.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;34262962]Self confessed engineer prefers products that gives him more ways to tweak! Wow! [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] WP7 I'd say yes. Android (any version) remains an absolute train wreck of usability[/QUOTE] like I could point out all the things wrong in this post but it's easier to just chalk it up to a minor stroke or something

Holy shit, is it? It is! Someone from an Apple background with an unbiased opinion on Android. There really is an exception to every rule.

Just got a brand new 4S on the cheap, and I love it. The first new phone I've had for about 6 years. Everything on it works. It's split about 50/50 between those that prefer Android or the iPhone. I'm in the 50 that can't tweak to save my life.

I prefer an Android phone. But then again I can't play my precious, precious CoD: Zombies on it. Yes, believe it or not I find that game fun.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;34262962]WP7 I'd say yes. Android (any version) remains an absolute train wreck of usability[/QUOTE] This post is so unbelievably dumb and misinformed that I am at a loss for words.