Steve Wozniak: "I wish my [iPhone] did all the things my Android does, I really do" - Polidicks

Fuck you all, I love my 4s.

[QUOTE=Azza;34286283]Fuck you all, I love my 4s.[/QUOTE] We never said it was a bad phone, it's a great phone, it's just that it's really restrictive and we hate Apple fanboys who say ignorant things like how Apple is the best and Android just copies or is hard to use

[QUOTE=V12US;34260855]I really don't understand why people are so condescending towards apple. Some people aren't techies. I know I'm not. I can't be arsed to spend a whole evening tweaking my gadgets to get the most out of them. I have a cheap secondhand iPhone and iPad, and they both work well and do what I need them to do, without any hassle. Some people just have different priorities.[/QUOTE] I'm a fan of Windows, and I understand that computers just aren't as intuitive to some people, but I usually end up feeling like it's [i]Apple[/i] that just doesn't get it. I see nothing wrong with their want to make computers user friendly, but they're constantly giving off this vibe that they're hot shit and that all of their ideas are brilliant and 100% original. Not to mention the activity of their legal department in the past few years. They make good products but the company is just obnoxious.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]The hardware buttons specifcally on Android phones pre 4.0/Galaxy Nexus. The menu buttons serves as a "I don't know how to fit this in the UI" button, the back button is badly and inconsistently implemented (the back button on WP7 is stupid too, but MS enforce guidelines to keep it consistent) and he search button has been depreciated by Google anyway. As for Ice Cream sandwich (atleast on a Galaxy Nexus), they replaced the hardware buttons with software buttons, but the software buttons aren't any smarter than the hardware buttons they replace. If you click home to go on the home screen, it still shows the home button (and vibrates on press!) even though it does nothing. Yet for the sake of compatibly, they will hide and show the menu button in older Android apps. Same thing happens with the back button. And the back button is stupid too. Imagine if you press back on your web browser, and it shut the window. It's ridiculous. I mean that it took just now (almost 3.5/4 years after Android officially launched) for Google to actually make style guidelines for it's platform that it (and it alone) owns says it all. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] I mean in this photo [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxv97lxktv1r5jxiq.png[/IMG] why 2 back buttons? Image from [url]http://alanzeino.tumblr.com/post/15917457226/androids-broken-software-buttons[/url][/QUOTE] I personally use the back button all the time, and while you may find it annoying, I like the way it's implemented. And what's you problem with the home button vibrating? You've got some valid points, but you're really just clasping at straws. Look at the iPhone's notifications; took them long enough to come up with a decent system, and that was really just stealing Android's way of doing it. There's small quirks with every OS, and that's just how it is. As an example, i think pretty much any is out there is inferior to WP7, but i understand that people might feel something different about that. And even though i think this OS is damn, there's stuff that Android and iOS do better. That's just how it is.

the only thing i fucking hate about the device buttons is that on my device they aren't lit up until you press it, so a lot of the time i reach for the back or home button and hit the fucking search key asdf;aklsd

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34288271]the only thing i fucking hate about the device buttons is that on my device they aren't lit up until you press it, so a lot of the time i reach for the back or home button and hit the fucking search key asdf;aklsd[/QUOTE]They aren't lit on mine either, and worse yet they are touch panel, but I still do just fine. I can find them in the dark easily. Muscle memory, man.

In reply to previous comments in this thread, apple products aren't overpriced, they're expensive - you get your monies worth. The only products I'd say could be deemed as 'overpriced' are the Mac Pro and possibly the Thunderbolt Display.

[QUOTE=Jasun;34288490]In reply to previous comments in this thread, apple products aren't overpriced, they're expensive - you get your monies worth. .[/QUOTE] Then most Android phones must be a steal, except you can't get arrested for buying one.

[QUOTE=Jasun;34288490]In reply to previous comments in this thread, apple products aren't overpriced, they're expensive - you get your monies worth. The only products I'd say could be deemed as 'overpriced' are the Mac Pro and possibly the Thunderbolt Display.[/QUOTE] I personally think that just about every Apple product but the iPhone is overpriced especially macs

I am genuinely surprised at the Mac Rumors community not flaming the shit out of him. Wozniak is awesome, end of story.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34288012]I personally use the back button all the time, and while you may find it annoying, I like the way it's implemented. And what's you problem with the home button vibrating? You've got some valid points, but you're really just clasping at straws. Look at the iPhone's notifications; took them long enough to come up with a decent system, and that was really just stealing Android's way of doing it. There's small quirks with every OS, and that's just how it is. As an example, i think pretty much any is out there is inferior to WP7, but i understand that people might feel something different about that. And even though i think this OS is damn, there's stuff that Android and iOS do better. That's just how it is.[/QUOTE] This, not having a back button or menu button is a waste of space in iOS devices. A straight downgrade not to have them.

[quote]Apple: happy to make tech for people that are scared of tech.[/quote] Wh- what? I have an iPhone 4S, and I'm not afraid of tech. I just wanted an easy to use phone. Reaching the music library and selecting a song takes literally 3 seconds, and watching movies and playing games in HD is sweet sweet eyecandy on this display.

Woz is so cool. I've never had an Android, but maybe I'll try one out. I'm using a 3GS which is incredibly resilient. My mother has a 4 and my grandmother has a 4S. Unfortunately, I have become tech support for both of them.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34304018]Wh- what? I have an iPhone 4S, and I'm not afraid of tech. I just wanted an easy to use phone. Reaching the music library and selecting a song takes literally 3 seconds, and watching movies and playing games in HD is sweet sweet eyecandy on this display.[/QUOTE] I can select a song in less than 2 seconds. PowerAMP music player widget on the homescreen. And I can also play games with crisp colors. Stop fooling yourself.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34304018]Wh- what? I have an iPhone 4S, and I'm not afraid of tech. I just wanted an easy to use phone. Reaching the music library and selecting a song takes literally 3 seconds, and watching movies and playing games in HD is sweet sweet eyecandy on this display.[/QUOTE] And this means the iPhone is better how?

At this point I really think it comes down to what you like best, I have only used Android on two tablets so far, but I could see myself using a Ipad as well.

Dumb shits. I use a linux powered netbook with 3G and Skype number. I can play CS on my 'phone'

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34317214]Dumb shits. I use a linux powered netbook with 3G and Skype number. I can play CS on my netbook.[/QUOTE] Well CS 1.6 is in the process of being ported to Android. Besides a netbook is damn big and clunky compared to a smartphone. Even the Samsung Galaxy Note is more handy and practical, and that thing is [B]HUGE[/B]

So stop suing everyone and actually do some real work. Maybe your crappy iPhones could do more!

[QUOTE=Van-man;34317245][B]Well CS 1.6 is in the process of being ported to Android.[/B] Besides a netbook is damn big and clunky compared to a smartphone. Even the Samsung Galaxy Note is more handy and practical, and that thing is [B]HUGE[/B][/QUOTE] [Citation needed] CS 1.6 relies on Steam.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34317588][Citation needed] CS 1.6 relies on Steam.[/QUOTE] [url]http://won2.steamlessproject.nl/status.php[/url] WON was remade for old GoldSrc games by people who didn't like steam and it's still up and running nowadays

[QUOTE=Jammymanrock;34317630][url]http://won2.steamlessproject.nl/status.php[/url] WON was remade for old GoldSrc games by people who didn't like steam and it's still up and running nowadays[/QUOTE] I'm well aware of that project.. Does not mean Gold Source is being ported to ARM.

I've hated Apple since about 1995.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34317588][Citation needed] CS 1.6 relies on Steam.[/QUOTE] [url]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447157[/url] Happy now? or you you want a lollipop and a kiss on the cheek too?

[QUOTE=Van-man;34322373][url]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447157[/url] Happy now? or you you want a lollipop and a kiss on the cheek too?[/QUOTE] That isn't CS. Thats just Unity 3d with ported content.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];34318031']I've hated Apple since about 1995.[/QUOTE] Seeing as I was 3 at that time, I didn't really give a shit.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34288271]the only thing i fucking hate about the device buttons is that on my device they aren't lit up until you press it, so a lot of the time i reach for the back or home button and hit the fucking search key asdf;aklsd[/QUOTE] Try checking the display settings to see if there's a light-sensor based activation for the touch keys. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]The hardware buttons specifcally on Android phones pre 4.0/Galaxy Nexus. The menu buttons serves as a "I don't know how to fit this in the UI" button, the back button is badly and inconsistently implemented (the back button on WP7 is stupid too, but MS enforce guidelines to keep it consistent) and he search button has been depreciated by Google anyway.[/QUOTE] Menu button serves as a "cluttered UIs are stupid" button, back button is consistent because you just go back one page and it reduces clutter in the limited screen space available. The search button is actually valuable because it allows contextual search within applications and functions as a voice command button. [QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]As for Ice Cream sandwich (atleast on a Galaxy Nexus), they replaced the hardware buttons with software buttons, but the software buttons aren't any smarter than the hardware buttons they replace. If you click home to go on the home screen, it still shows the home button (and vibrates on press!) even though it does nothing. Yet for the sake of compatibly, they will hide and show the menu button in older Android apps.[/QUOTE] Why does my mom's iPhone home button still let me press it even though I'm already at the home screen? No one cares, because people understand context and aren't fucking retarded. [QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019] Same thing happens with the back button. And the back button is stupid too. Imagine if you press back on your web browser, and it shut the window. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Imagine if you thought about the point of a back button, and realized that it's a contextual back button. This is like saying a language is stupid because there are pronouns in it. [QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]I mean that it took just now (almost 3.5/4 years after Android officially launched) for Google to actually make style guidelines for it's platform that it (and it alone) owns says it all.[/QUOTE] No, it means that they weren't concerned with requiring consistent app appearance before, and when manufacturer UI skins started affecting that, they decided that it was necessary to enforce uniform application appearance. Google wasn't concerned because as long as the app still worked properly it didn't matter. Matias Duarte was the reason why they changed their stance in this regard. [QUOTE=Dr Egg;34277019]I mean in this photo [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxv97lxktv1r5jxiq.png[/IMG] why 2 back buttons? Image from [url]http://alanzeino.tumblr.com/post/15917457226/androids-broken-software-buttons[/url][/QUOTE] It's not important, because the back button in the app doesn't take up space and it's not required to be used.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;34329169]Menu button serves as a "cluttered UIs are stupid" button, back button is consistent because you just go back one page and it reduces clutter in the limited screen space available. The search button is actually valuable because it allows contextual search within applications and functions as a voice command button.[/quote] Anything contextual should be on the screen (ala every computer with a GUI). Phones should be no different. You could easily make a cluttered UI without a menu button I agree, but if you actually work at it, it doesn't have to be. Look at WP7 and iOS as proof of this concept. [quote]Why does my mom's iPhone home button still let me press it even though I'm already at the home screen? No one cares, because people understand context and aren't fucking retarded.[/quote] Because it's a hardware button? My issue is that Google themselves designed software for a known phone, and in instances where they could remove the button from the screen (like the menu button for pre 3.0 Android apps) they don't. That the Home and back buttons still vibrate if you are home and have nowhere else to go back to is just laziness on the part of Google. They had the chance to make smart software buttons (likes buttons in any app) and the wasted it. Shambles. [quote]Imagine if you thought about the point of a back button, and realized that it's a contextual back button. This is like saying a language is stupid because there are pronouns in it.[/quote] If if you press back on your web browser on your PC, and it closed the window. You'd be annoyed and wonder what the fuck if was doing. The back button is contextual but it's contextual across the whole system, and users don't "use" Android, they "use" an app. Why is the back button suddenly doing system things in an app if it's contextual? You can see they tried to sort it out by putting (other) software back buttons in like in the photos app, but that they (yet again) didn't hide the software(!) back button is just lunacy. [quote]No, it means that they weren't concerned with requiring consistent app appearance before, and when manufacturer UI skins started affecting that, they decided that it was necessary to enforce uniform application appearance. Google wasn't concerned because as long as the app still worked properly it didn't matter. Matias Duarte was the reason why they changed their stance in this regard.[/quote] And if you aren't concerned that Google wasn't concerned, then you're a fool. [quote]It's not important, because the back button in the app doesn't take up space and it's not required to be used.[/QUOTE] You mean other than the screen space used by both the back buttons on a Nexus Galaxy? [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] If you seriously thing hardware buttons are amazing, then ask yourself why has Google started removing them from their reference phones (Nexus One had trackball, dropped hardware keyboard. Nexus S had no trackball, no hardware keyboard.Galaxy Nexus has no menu button, search button, trackball or hardware keyboard) Google knows they were a mistake, and that's why they are trying to get rid of them (they are just doing a bad job of it) [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34288012]I personally use the back button all the time, and while you may find it annoying, I like the way it's implemented. And what's you problem with the home button vibrating? You've got some valid points, but you're really just clasping at straws. Look at the iPhone's notifications; took them long enough to come up with a decent system, and that was really just stealing Android's way of doing it. There's small quirks with every OS, and that's just how it is. As an example, i think pretty much any is out there is inferior to WP7, but i understand that people might feel something different about that. And even though i think this OS is damn, there's stuff that Android and iOS do better. That's just how it is.[/QUOTE] The idea of going "back" being fundamentally broken is not a "small quirk". It's a glaring hole in the OS. And if you had used an iPhone you'd know the iOS5 notification thing is just marginally better than it was before. The whole thing is still a complete mess.

It just took me like an hour of trying out my android phone, then i knew how to do anything i'd want to do with it with no problems. iPhone on the other hand, you dont even need to try it out before you knew how to use it properly, since everything is so damn obivious. But i choose android.