Flying Confederate flag ends in suspension for high school junior - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40669997]idk i don't necessarily like the idea of a government institution censoring stuff, but if i saw a house or a car with that flag on it i would probably put a brick through the window.[/QUOTE] yeah who cares about civil rights lol!!

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670088]assumptions even if the person is racist and bigoted and supports the kkk, it doesnt mean they're actually going off and lynching anyone and as much as we dislike bigotry and racism, we simply should not condone vigilante "justice" against people simply because they are vocal about their (morally questionable) opinions unless you watch the person violently assault someone, there is no crime in simply waving a flag of an organization that you respect, no matter how much we despise that organization we have no right to stifle anyone's ideologies, no matter how negative, unless they outright commit an atrocity or crime against another person[/QUOTE] the difference is that i hate the organization for the violence and genocide. it isn't just some political ideology, it is literally an instrument of genocide. there is absolutely no reason anyone should be accepting or tolerant of it.

People who go so far as to fly a flag of hate ARE harming people. Just because they're not goong out and lynching people does not mean their message is free of consiquence. It's fear mongering and creating an enviroment of fear. The ideals of the CSA are clear an racist, acting as if a person who supports these ideas wont act on them in some way shape or form; be it Physical, mental, or verbal is not only an unrealistic understanding of how people act, but an unrealistic understanding of how the world works as a whole.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670254]We can't deep acceptability Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how much we disagree or personally despise it When we begin censoring people and saying what's right and wrong on a governmental level, we start going down a pretty scary path I'm not justifying xenophobia or racism, but a flag on a truck is by no means going to make students uncomfortable unless thy spend their time in the parking lot If the kid was reciting hate speeches in class or insulting minorities, fine, that's a direct harm to someone, but he shouldn't be punished because a flag representing his ideology makes someone uncomfortable If we start punishing people for having opinions that make people uncomfortable, everyone would be guilty, and unless he was directly harming someone else, say, verbally or physically, there is no justification to say "your opinion is wrong," no matter how much we believe it dogmatic or intolerant[/QUOTE] if that flag represents hate speech and racial violence why is it somehow ok even though outright hate speech is not? it doesn't matter that hes "representing his ideology" if his ideology is one that practices and preaches racial discrimination and violence.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40670262]I suppose this is why Stormfront members go around with Swatztikas. Just a harmless bit of fun. Show it to a Jewish kid while grinning and touching yourself, just a harmless bit of fun.[/QUOTE] Yeah because flying a flag on your property and indecency with a child with the purpose of inflicting harm are totally the same thing Hell if you did that with ANY flag you'd get in deep shit

[QUOTE=EliteGuy;40670301]yeah who cares about civil rights lol!![/QUOTE] they don't have a civil right to murder.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40669947]even this? [img]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYiaY9YBl-_aFR7oeFl68xHrC-wuNZyZHBXZ5ORburL1v2Ixfv[/img] [editline]16th May 2013[/editline] or this? [img]http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/d/de-1933.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Sure. My flagpole has an Imperial German war jack flying from it right now. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/War_Ensign_of_Germany_1892-1903.svg/500px-War_Ensign_of_Germany_1892-1903.svg.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670296]But it's not hurting anyone. How is it hurting people?[/QUOTE] see that jumble of words that comes right after "but they are hurting people by" in my post? read that for my in depth explanation of how theyre hurting people

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40670322]see that jumble of words that comes right after "but they are hurting people by" in my post? read that for my in depth explanation of how theyre hurting people[/QUOTE] It's not up to a school to decide what is "accepted" though.

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;40669824]why are you even flying the confederate flag in michigan?[/QUOTE] That whole Great Lakes area seems to have a surprising amount of southern influence. Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, I could see there being a few people there who felt some sort of patriotic connection to the southern cross. Probably people who have family in the south.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670309]Yeah because flying a flag on your property and indecency with a child with the purpose of inflicting harm are totally the same thing Hell if you did that with ANY flag you'd get in deep shit[/QUOTE] i think his point with the touching yourself bit is that even though you're not physically affecting the child, by wearing a flag that symbolizes a culture and history of violence and discrimination you're still hurting them in the same way that being "indecent" towards a child without physical contact is still damaging mentally and emotionally

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;40670317]My flagpole has an Imperial German war jack flying from it right now.[/QUOTE] You sound like an interesting character.

i have an idea lets make a government organization that deems certain opinions bad and good, and then punishes those who have opinions we deem "not good!" oh and then we can also make sure no one ever says anything that makes anyone else uncomfortable and we should also probably ensure that we censor all opinions that arent of the masses like i said, i dont justify these bigoted opinions, but there is no way to determine what is and isnt an acceptable opinion without dangerously entering the zone of censoring opinions

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;40670317]Sure. My flagpole has an Imperial German war jack flying from it right now. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/War_Ensign_of_Germany_1892-1903.svg/500px-War_Ensign_of_Germany_1892-1903.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE] interesting...

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670339]It's not up to a school to decide what is "accepted" though.[/QUOTE] if not the school then who? someone has to ensure students are in a safe and non threatening learning environment and i feel like asking people not to fly racially charged flags on school property is a really reasonable way of doing it

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40670355]if not the school then who? someone has to ensure students are in a safe and non threatening learning environment and i feel like asking people not to fly racially charged flags on school property is a really reasonable way of doing it[/QUOTE] so we should have a government organization that deems certain opinions and viewpoints acceptable and not acceptable? you trust that power in the hands of anyone?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670351]i have an idea lets make a government organization that deems certain opinions bad and good, and then punishes those who have opinions we deem "not good!" oh and then we can also make sure no one ever says anything that makes anyone else uncomfortable and we should also probably ensure that we censor all opinions that arent of the masses like i said, i dont justify these bigoted opinions, but there is no way to determine what is and isnt an acceptable opinion without dangerously entering the zone of censoring opinions[/QUOTE] if your organization blatantly denies or endorses genocide then the organization is not "acceptable".

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40670355]if not the school then who? someone has to ensure students are in a safe and non threatening learning environment and i feel like asking people not to fly racially charged flags on school property is a really reasonable way of doing it[/QUOTE] Who said anything about threats? Do you find mere support of racism to be threatening? Is the flag threatening? If threats are being made then that is unacceptable.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670351]i have an idea lets make a government organization that deems certain opinions bad and good, and then punishes those who have opinions we deem "not good!" oh and then we can also make sure no one ever says anything that makes anyone else uncomfortable and we should also probably ensure that we censor all opinions that arent of the masses like i said, i dont justify these bigoted opinions, but there is no way to determine what is and isnt an acceptable opinion without dangerously entering the zone of censoring opinions[/QUOTE] you're being obnoxious and intellectually dishonest by trying to equate "please dont wear racially charged symbolism in a learning environment" to "government agency that arrests people i disagree with!!" promoting hate speech and racial discrimination in a school setting creates a hostile and possibly unsafe environment for the students that have to go there. having an unpopular opinion does not.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40670369]if your organization blatantly denies or endorses genocide then the organization is not "acceptable".[/QUOTE] Why does it matter if they don't act on it?

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670374]Who said anything about threats? Do you find mere support of racism to be threatening? Is the flag threatening? If threats are being made then that is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] if you hypothetically flew a nazi or kkk flag then it is a threat against anyone who isn't white.

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670345]You sound like an interesting character.[/QUOTE] It makes me feel fancy. Although it's a little out of place for Missouri.

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670380]Why does it matter if they don't act on it?[/QUOTE] is it okay to wear a shirt that says "niggers should get lynched" as long as they dont actually hang anyone?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40670369]if your organization blatantly denies or endorses genocide then the organization is not "acceptable".[/QUOTE] the american flag represents a country that committed genocide en masse against native americans, blacks, and oppressed every minority to date should we deem that not acceptable too?

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40670380]Why does it matter if they don't act on it?[/QUOTE] they desire to act on it if given the chance.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40670381]if you hypothetically flew a nazi or kkk flag then it is a threat against anyone who isn't white.[/QUOTE] So the idea itself is threatening and that is what you wish to do away with? Then you must ban every idea that is threatening. What if I feel threatened by the NAACP because I'm some sort of weirdo "white genocide" guy? Should NAACP support be banned in schools because I perceive it as a threat? Should atheistic attitudes be banned if I am a religious person?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40670392]they desire to act on it if given the chance.[/QUOTE] you cant assume that about every person waving a confederate flag

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40670392]they desire to act on it if given the chance.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you have an insider spy on all these threatening organizations that leaks this info to you.

my question is who has the right to determine what is morally right and wrong, and what opinions are and are not acceptable

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670388]the american flag represents a country that committed genocide en masse against native americans, blacks, and oppressed every minority to date should we deem that not acceptable too?[/QUOTE] would the central part of "american" ideology be the genocide committed? nazism and kkk are both white supremacist. the core of these ideologies are genocide. that's why i would not accept a swastika or kkk flag but i would be willing to tolerate something like [t]http://banksy.edublogs.org/files/2011/02/800px-Italian_Fascist_flag.svg-13ffp8f.png[/t] even though i also hate fascism