Flying Confederate flag ends in suspension for high school junior - Polidicks

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40672138']It's a symbol of the region or culture now. .[/QUOTE] A region that openly rebelled against the union supporting a culture that thought people should be property because of the color of their skin.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40671826]the csa's economy focus and relied on slavery the british empire's economy focus and relied on slavery the american economy focused and relied on slavery no matter which way you twist it, all three were in love with slavery and oppressing minorities. americans had native americans and blacks and the poor and immigrants and women british had native americans and blacks and the poor and immigrants and women (and Indians, Africans, and other such colonies) csa had native americans and blacks and the poor and immigrants and women no matter which way you slice it all three nations were "about" slavery and oppression during the time period all of them were focused on slavery and imperialism and inequality, and all of them were just as bad as eachother[/QUOTE] you seriously aren't understanding where i'm coming from here, there's a huge difference between things a state did, and things a state was FOUNDED on, yes the british empire did heaps of shit stuff and so did the USA, but these shit things weren't their founding principles, that's the difference [editline]17th May 2013[/editline] frankly if you think the CSA flag should be considered a flag of southern pride, then the nazi flag should be considered a flag of german pride

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40672383] frankly if you think the CSA flag should be considered a flag of southern pride, then the nazi flag should be considered a flag of german pride[/QUOTE] Being proud of that time a group of traitors started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people because of the misguided belief that they were about to lose their right to own human beings is ridiculous in and of itself, before you even get to arguing about whether or not it's offensive.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40672383]you seriously aren't understanding where i'm coming from here, there's a huge difference between things a state did, and things a state was FOUNDED on, yes the british empire did heaps of shit stuff and so did the USA, but these shit things weren't their founding principles, that's the difference [editline]17th May 2013[/editline] frankly if you think the CSA flag should be considered a flag of southern pride, then the nazi flag should be considered a flag of german pride[/QUOTE] doesnt matter, its freedom of expression, any institution should recognise their student's rights to express their beliefs and political ideals, a flag is just a flag till someone takes offense

[QUOTE=Sableye;40672478]doesnt matter, its freedom of expression, any institution should recognise their student's rights to express their beliefs and political ideals, a flag is just a flag till someone takes offense[/QUOTE] so can you wear a shirt that syas "niggers should get lynched"

i never agreed with my school's code about that sort of thing, to teach kids about freedom of speech, and the political system, and the struggles people have gone through to obtain the right to fly whatever they want, and the school just stomps it just because they can, as they are right and you are wrong [editline]16th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;40672494]so can you wear a shirt that syas "niggers should get lynched"[/QUOTE] sure, just don't expect others to not use their right to bear arms

[QUOTE=Sableye;40672521]sure, just don't expect others to not use their right to bear arms[/QUOTE] just fyi this isnt clever nobody laughed so if u want anyone to take you remotely seriously you should just answer the question

[QUOTE=Sableye;40672478]doesnt matter, its freedom of expression, any institution should recognise their student's rights to express their beliefs and political ideals, a flag is just a flag till someone takes offense[/QUOTE] a school is impartial it's not about belief or political ideals. [editline]17th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;40672478]doesnt matter, its freedom of expression, any institution should recognise their student's rights to express their beliefs and political ideals, a flag is just a flag till someone takes offense[/QUOTE] do places of work have to recognize this right? do businesses have to recognize this right?

[QUOTE=Sableye;40672521]sure, just don't expect others to not use their right to bear arms[/QUOTE] What the [I]hell[/I] is that supposed to mean?

Jesus, I didn't even know people got extremely offended by the Confederate battle flag. I have always seen it as a symbol of Southern pride and so do many other people. An I've never seen anybody represent it in a way that emphasizes racism...

[QUOTE=timman;40673025]Jesus, I didn't even know people got extremely offended by the Confederate battle flag. I have always seen it as a symbol of Southern pride and so do many other people. An I've never seen anybody represent it in a way that emphasizes racism...[/QUOTE] I suppose the question is more about what you're tying your 'southern pride' to. If it's the CSA, then it certainly does emphasize racism.

school had no right to do this, like usual they're overstepping their boundaries

[QUOTE=matt000024;40669858]It has gone from being a southern thing to an overall redneck thing. I see them sometimes up here in Northeastern US in the country areas.[/QUOTE] Cog-heads from sweden once had that flag at the back of their car here in sweden, shows how smart they are, while they are holding guns out through the window and all that stuff.

If they were asked to remove it and refused, [i]fuck them[/i]. School is a [b]privilege[/b], follow the damn rules and obey the people in power. If you don't like it, home-school yourself. I'd also like to note that the US is more or less alone in their protection of hate speech. You say "I think all jews should die" in Germany, Italy, France, etc, you can be arrested.

Freedom of speech is only good unless it offends some people, who should just carry on with their day and ignore it?

[QUOTE=timman;40673025]Jesus, I didn't even know people got extremely offended by the Confederate battle flag. I have always seen it as a symbol of Southern pride and so do many other people. An I've never seen anybody represent it in a way that emphasizes racism...[/QUOTE] just because you choose to ignore or are ignorant of the racist connotations doesn't make it suddenly not racist

[QUOTE=timman;40673025]Jesus, I didn't even know people got extremely offended by the Confederate battle flag. I have always seen it as a symbol of Southern pride and so do many other people. An I've never seen anybody represent it in a way that emphasizes racism...[/QUOTE] Find a better symbol of regional pride.

[QUOTE=Amokov;40673531]If they were asked to remove it and refused, [i]fuck them[/i]. School is a [b]privilege[/b], follow the damn rules and obey the people in power. If you don't like it, home-school yourself.[/QUOTE] That's not the right attitude to have about it. That's degrading both to students and to educators.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40673626]Find a better symbol of regional pride.[/QUOTE] Easier said than done. Especially since encouraging a less controversial symbol is bound to be perceived as censorship by many of those that you're trying to persuade.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;40673828]Easier said than done. Especially since encouraging a less controversial symbol is bound to be perceived as censorship by many of those that you're trying to persuade.[/QUOTE] A tiny amount of knowledge about American history should be completely persuasive

[QUOTE=Amokov;40673531]If they were asked to remove it and refused, [i]fuck them[/i]. School is a [b]privilege[/b], follow the damn rules and obey the people in power. If you don't like it, home-school yourself. I'd also like to note that the US is more or less alone in their protection of hate speech. You say "I think all jews should die" in Germany, Italy, France, etc, you can be arrested.[/QUOTE] actually education is a right.

[QUOTE=timman;40673025]Jesus, I didn't even know people got extremely offended by the Confederate battle flag. I have always seen it as a symbol of Southern pride and so do many other people. An I've never seen anybody represent it in a way that emphasizes racism...[/QUOTE]Because nobody wants to be outed as a racist these days, even if they are racists. Especially if they are racists, I should say. Same goes with homophobia and other discriminatory and prejudiced views. Doesn't mean they don't exist. If he wants his confederate flag its his right I guess. Just like its my right to have my own confederate flag, throw it on the ground in front of him and piss all over it. 'Murrica.

I feel like the Confederate battle flag only symbolizes racism if you see it that way. It certainly doesn't to anyone around here. To people actually living in the South - no matter what color their skin - it's just a symbol of redneck Southern pride and it's too deeply rooted to just "change" it. The North was hardly a bastion of racial equality either but I have a hard time believing there'd be any backlash over a Union flag of the same era.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40670437]people are always so quick to give fascists civil rights, forgetting the fact that the only thing a fascist will give you is a boot to the face[/QUOTE] I'm not giving fascists civil rights, the constitution of my country does. Doesn't matter what I fucking think, I'll just vote and hope we never get fascists into the government.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40670088]assumptions even if the person is racist and bigoted and supports the kkk, it doesnt mean they're actually going off and lynching anyone[/QUOTE] Exactly. See, in my experience, a lot of real life racists are similar to racists from the darkest corners of certain websites (cough /pol/). They'll proudly show flags, they'll write graffiti on walls with a permanent marker, and they'll angrily type up a storm about how [x] are messing up [y] country, but they suddenly get very fidgety and socially awkward when you directly confront them. So yeah, nothing to worry about from these guys. Well, mostly

My problem with this is the lack of general knowledge about the Confederate Flag. People say it's a symbol of racism and hate. It's not, and was never meant to be. Supremacy groups did not start using the Confederate flag until the start of the civil rights movement, almost 100 years after the original flag's birth. The popular design of the Confederate Flag that we see today is a rendition of the Confederate States war flag. It was a representation of the people that served for the Confederate states, and even to this day, many southern states give the Confederate flag the same protections that the U.S. flag receives, meaning you can not desecrate, burn, etc. The Confederate flag is a symbol of heritage, whether it be family, or just being from the south. It's not a symbol of racism, despite it's incorrect usage by supremacy groups. I was born, raised, and live in southern Louisiana, and I can assure you that the Confederate flag is very much part of our culture. It is flown in many areas, and it's not viewed as a symbol of racism. One of my step-father's employees is black, and he has Confederate flags on his vehicle. To many here the Confederate flag represents a life style, not hatred.

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;40677362]My problem with this is the lack of general knowledge about the Confederate Flag.[/QUOTE] A lack of knowledge found almost exclusively with people who like the flag or take some sort of pride in it.

Everyone at my school that flew the flag really were bigoted rednecks. The things they would say made my blood boil. They're literally the same people that get all pissy about black history month and gay pride parades. Oh boy were their rants rage inducing.