Five Shot by Armed Gunmen near Minneapolis BLM Protest - Polidicks

I'd bring a gun if a bunch of dumbass fuckwits who getting pissy over some wifebeating scumbag's death start flipping out and blocking off a police station

[QUOTE=staticman;49181395]Maybe don't stroll up in there with tactical armor looking to start shit? It's not that hard.[/QUOTE]It's fucking [B][U]MINNESOTA.[/U][/B] It's cold here. I don't know how cold it is down in the cities but I'm going to bet that it isn't much different than it is here. Either way, that's not tactical armor that's motherfucking [I]layers[/I] to stave off the cold. Jesus shit am I bundled up in a tactical blanket now? Are these armored wool socks I'm wearing?

[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49182737]I'd bring a gun if a bunch of dumbass fuckwits who getting pissy over some wifebeating scumbag's death start flipping out and blocking off a police station[/QUOTE] Why would you go in the first place?

[QUOTE=Anderan;49182903]Why would you go in the first place?[/QUOTE] It depends on your proximity to the event, but you can argue the same thing for BLM. BLM feels blacks are being oppressed, this group felt whites were oppressed. Both feel strongly on the subject, both are within their rights to attend the event. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49182547] His intentions are clear as day. If this guy fired on those five people, he is culpable.[/QUOTE] Regardless of what he says, if BLM was the first to act out in [I]violence[/I] against these people, then the armed group are in their full rights to defend themselves. If the white group was being purposefully inflammatory [which is exactly what BLM does all the time] that does not give you the right to act out and lash against them in malice. I'm not defending anyone here, except that two wrongs don't make a right.

[QUOTE=staticman;49181395]Maybe don't stroll up in there with tactical armor looking to start shit? It's not that hard.[/QUOTE] Yeah right on dude, I'm fucking sick of so-called sexual assault "victims" being absolved of all responsibility even if they're dressed provocatively, maybe they should learn their lesson and try not to attract the attention of sexual predators by dressing properly! [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] It's not that hard right?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!??!?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49183001]a blm protester goes to protest he said he would go with a gun all ya gotta do is connect the dots really, not much you can do with a gun other than shoot someone with it or maybe he wanted to make a private sale in the vicinity who knows[/QUOTE] If you would read over the post again, I never said he was morally justified in bringing a gun with the intentions he did, but within the eyes of the law, if someone else lashed out on him and he [at least justifiably] felt his life was in great danger, he would be in the "right" to fire. [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] To clarify my view, though: Both sides, in my eyes, are equally insane.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49182547]These fuckin' mooks are ridiculous. Even if it wasn't these guys specifically who fired the shots, they are some truly despicable people. If it was? Put the shooter's ass in jail. He clearly went there specifically to stir shit up and make trouble. Even brought his gun, itching for a chance to use it. [I]"We're gonna go see what these fuckin' dindus are up to. And yes, we are locked and loaded! We're gonna be driving down there. We are on our way, we're gonna get stuff done. Little bit of reverse cultural enriching. We're gonna make the fires rise! Keep on watching the stream. Stay white." [/I] His intentions are clear as day. If this guy fired on those five people, he is culpable.[/QUOTE] It wasn't that guy. The guy known as "saigamarine" who made those statements was already questioned and cleared by MPPD. The arrest made and the two that turned themselves in do appear to be affiliated with /k/ however.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49182484]The shooters were racist fucks who were probably itching to shoot some black protestors. Yeah, it's Gawker, but watch the first video to get some insight into their reasons for showing up at a protest for with concealed weapons. [url]http://gawker.com/video-shows-4chan-white-supremacists-bringing-gun-to-mi-1744412287[/url][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that is Sam Hyde and Charls. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec8_1448421489[/url] [sp]And they are being hilarious.[/sp]

[QUOTE=huyu;49183415]I'm pretty sure that is Sam Hyde and Charls. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec8_1448421489[/url] [sp]And they are being hilarious.[/sp][/QUOTE] this is why jumping to conclusions is bad

[QUOTE=axelord157;49182484]The shooters were racist fucks who were probably itching to shoot some black protestors. Yeah, it's Gawker, but watch the first video to get some insight into their reasons for showing up at a protest for with concealed weapons. [url]http://gawker.com/video-shows-4chan-white-supremacists-bringing-gun-to-mi-1744412287[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, it's looking like they're not the shooters. The saigamarine guy has already been alibi'd and released, not sure about the other. Also, this vid was posted earlier today on /k/, allegedly showing the perspective of the guys with the camcorder. No audio, plus it doesn't show much. [video=youtube;Hc3c6cK9p_w]http://youtu.be/Hc3c6cK9p_w[/video] If this is legit though, then they were outside of the protest and approached by BLM. Shouldn't speculate, but so far it's looking like self defence.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49183385]It wasn't that guy. The guy known as "saigamarine" who made those statements was already questioned and cleared by MPPD. The arrest made and the two that turned themselves in do appear to be affiliated with /k/ however.[/QUOTE] If they are /k/ affiliated it wouldn't surprise me if they went there to stir shit up considering /k/ is pretty much /pol/-lite

[QUOTE=huyu;49183415]I'm pretty sure that is Sam Hyde and Charls. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec8_1448421489[/url] [sp]And they are being hilarious.[/sp][/QUOTE] first he shoots up a school, now this? when will he be stopped?

That's odd, why were PentiumButthu's posts deleted?

[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;49183915]That's odd, why were PentiumButthu's posts deleted?[/QUOTE] Gimmicky alt of a permabanned user got nabbed. Postal used the new "Nuke" feature to wipe his post history.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49179217]glad you had to specify[/QUOTE] Cause that's what happened. They specified the others were entirely masked and didn't state their skin colour. Would it make you feel better that I would be scared of any group of imposing people coming to me aggressively? I am just a regular coward, scared of every race that gives me the stink-eye.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49184083]Gimmicky alt of a permabanned user got nabbed. Postal used the new "Nuke" feature to wipe his post history.[/QUOTE] I disapprove of the usage of nukes, virtual or otherwise. seriously though I don't like this "feature", unless it's being used on like spam bots or something.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49184358]I disapprove of the usage of nukes, virtual or otherwise. seriously though I don't like this "feature", unless it's being used on like spam bots or something.[/QUOTE] Bring it up in the "Make the Forums Better" thread if you want. This ain't the place to talk about rules or forum features.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49182484]The shooters were racist fucks who were probably itching to shoot some black protestors. Yeah, it's Gawker, but watch the first video to get some insight into their reasons for showing up at a protest for with concealed weapons. [url]http://gawker.com/video-shows-4chan-white-supremacists-bringing-gun-to-mi-1744412287[/url][/QUOTE] Suspicious attire can agitate people, but it doesn't warrant assaulting and pursuing the agitator for a block. Regardless of their original intentions, they did intend to physically harm him for wearing clothing.

[QUOTE=-xxsetshotxx-;49183487]Yeah, it's looking like they're not the shooters. The saigamarine guy has already been alibi'd and released, not sure about the other. Also, this vid was posted earlier today on /k/, allegedly showing the perspective of the guys with the camcorder. No audio, plus it doesn't show much. [video=youtube;Hc3c6cK9p_w]http://youtu.be/Hc3c6cK9p_w[/video] If this is legit though, then they were outside of the protest and approached by BLM. Shouldn't speculate, but so far it's looking like self defence.[/QUOTE] I would really like to hear that video with audio. With the audio cut it makes me wonder if they were just spewing racist shit or what, although the first couple guys to approach them didn't seem terribly pissed off. There is also a video floating around of the immediate aftermath from some online news thing, I wonder if they've got more fotage than that.

I don't doubt that the audio was cut for a reason. One of the names of the guys that turned themselves was recognized as arcticfox, a tripfag who posts on /pol/ and /k/. iirc he's pretty infamous for his racially charged and typically /pol/ posts on /k/, so there's little doubt that they went to stir shit up. However, there's still little to no indication that they were actually antagonizing the protesters. The news keeps reporting them as white supremacists from witness reports, but fail to explain how or why they were labled as such.

[QUOTE=1chains1;49178841]It says the "protesters tried to herd the counter protesters away", which means they tried to confront them and run them off. The white supremacists probably felt threatened as I am sure any BLM who sees a white supremacist would understandably be upset and were probably very up in their face. The white supremecists with already itchy trigger fingers acted, with that being the excuse in their mind to go through with it.[/QUOTE] Word is that the BLM folks actually chased these guys and were beating them as they retreated. F'd up situation all around.

The beauty of this situation is that they now are relying on the very thing they're protesting: Minneapolis PD. And you know what, MPD doesnt care. They still do their job.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49183001]a blm protester goes to protest he said he would go with a gun all ya gotta do is connect the dots really, not much you can do with a gun other than shoot someone with it or maybe he wanted to make a private sale in the vicinity who knows[/QUOTE] self defense is priority within an unstable enviroment i.e these blm "activists" camp

Someone mentioned that this guy was asking questions on r/legaladvice, but I'm not familiar enough with reddit to easily track it down, especially given that it seems to be a rather active sub.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49186227]The beauty of this situation is that they now are relying on the very thing they're protesting: Minneapolis PD. And you know what, MPD doesnt care. They still do their job.[/QUOTE] You seem to be conflating calls for greater police accountability, training, and professionalism as being "anti-cop," which simply isn't the case for most people. The "cops can do no wrong" mindset is just as ignorant and harmful as the "cops can do no right" perspective. I can't speak for every individual protester, but I can tell you right now that the general point of protesting police actions or policies is NOT to say "we don't like police," but, "we don't like the way that the police have been conducting themselves or the policies by which they have been trained to operate." So, I'm just not seeing what's "beautiful" about this situation.

This whole situation sounds like the guy was trying to game the law and exploit any hostile fervor from BLM members as a reason to shoot people.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;49196321]This whole situation sounds like the guy was trying to game the law and exploit any hostile fervor from BLM members as a reason to shoot people.[/QUOTE] Honestly if that was the case he could have opened fire the moment they started going after him. In my opinion if they were there with the intention of trying to "legally kill someone" they would have done so the moment things got heated. If anything that would have played in their favour since it would have been in front of cameras and cops. Not to say they weren't there to start shit, but until we can hear the audio from the video posted above everything is speculation.

Some before and after footage from the protesters' point of view has surfaced. In the video the protesters admitted that they chased the 3 dudes simply because they had masks on while filming the protesters. They assumed this meant that they were white supremacists somehow [video=youtube;XVgpfvwNEwg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVgpfvwNEwg[/video]

So some new information.[url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/police-doc-black-lives-matter-protesters-started-confrontation-led-minneapolis-shooting/[/url] Don't bother with the artical, it's bias shit, but it does have a the search warrant along with some statements from the alleged gunman.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49201126]So some new information.[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/police-doc-black-lives-matter-protesters-started-confrontation-led-minneapolis-shooting/[/URL] Don't bother with the artical, it's bias shit, but it does have a the search warrant along with some statements from the alleged gunman.[/QUOTE] So the shooter turned himself in within a couple hours after the incident (They joined the protest ~10:30 PM and he called the police to report the incident at 1:08 AM), fully admitting to shooting 5 people.