Mass Shotting at South Carolina Club Averted By CCW Holder - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50623495]Would've been better if someone tackled the shooter from behind. This CCW holder earns no respect from me. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting" - Gurant))[/highlight][/QUOTE] They (A sheriff to prove a point) put an inexperienced woman on a shooting range, and a guy 15 feet away crouched behind a barrel to her side. They instructed him to get up and run towards and past her when he saw her start to reload. Every time, she managed to reload and shoot down range again before he reached her. So have fun with that

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50625947]Don't immediately point to Trump as some sort of gun ownership wisdom or even as a voice for gun owners because he is everything but. Even the fucking NRA disagreed with him on patrons at the nightclub having guns, because such an idea is just silly. Guns and alcohol don't mix.[/QUOTE] You're going to have to accept him being seen as a spokesman for the gun lobby as he's the frontrunner of the self-proclaimed gun supporting party.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;50625882]You'd have to be extraordinarily brave or stupid to rush a guy* with a gun, man. The tactic does reminds me of those bees that swarm hornets attacking their nests, causing them to overheat.[/QUOTE] As an individual, sure. As a group, though, the odds are much more in your favor. Problem is, any group is made up of individuals, and convincing them to think and act otherwise is easier said than done. Each of them is praying, "maybe it wont be me. Maybe if I just try not to get his attention, it wont be me." So even though mobbing him gives you a much better chance of survival, your panic will freeze you up. The self preservation instinct can be a flawed mechanism in that way.

The Alex Jones people are having a field day over this, calling it false flag gone wrong.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;50626102]You're going to have to accept him being seen as a spokesman for the gun lobby as he's the frontrunner of the self-proclaimed gun supporting party.[/QUOTE]Maybe complete retards see it that way, sure, but for anyone sane and rational the presence of left-leaning and sometimes Democrat gun owners and other non-Republican gun owners should be enough to dispel this stupid bullshit. No, the only thing to accept is that gun grabbers are going to continue to appeal to emotion regardless of the facts, so if any of them say we're all Trumplicans it isn't at all surprising. [editline]1st July 2016[/editline] Not to mention that Donald Trump is hated by his own party and a lot of long-time Republican voters, so anyone painting them with that brush is easily dismissed as an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;50623587]Do you have shooter takedown fantasies or something? Serious question. Nobody in their right mind attempts to tackle an active shooter.[/QUOTE] Unless ofcourse, run and hide are no longer an option...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50626703]Unless ofcourse, run and hide are no longer an option...[/QUOTE] It's probably too late at that point. But hell, go for it.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50623495]Would've been better if someone tackled the shooter from behind. This CCW holder earns no respect from me. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting" - Gurant))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Just like the police should shoot the criminal charging after them with a knife in the kneecaps right?

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50631072]civilians with guns is still a stupid idea regardless.[/QUOTE] It was soooo stupid that he was able to stop the shooter from killing who knows how many more people

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50631072]civilians with guns is still a stupid idea regardless.[/QUOTE] [img]http://66.media.tumblr.com/606cd727dfda4c4974585a13d3001426/tumblr_inline_n6m0ninraU1r1jtxd.jpg[/img] Seems to work well for Switzerland.

[QUOTE=camaroni;50631424][img]http://66.media.tumblr.com/606cd727dfda4c4974585a13d3001426/tumblr_inline_n6m0ninraU1r1jtxd.jpg[/img] Seems to work well for Switzerland.[/QUOTE] I love my guns but honestly dude, that's a very poor example. Switzerland and America are in no way comparable when it comes to guns. There's a hell of a lot more reasons Switzerland has significantly less crime than just gun ownership statistics.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50631442]I love my guns but honestly dude, that's a very poor example. Switzerland and America are in no way comparable when it comes to guns. There's a hell of a lot more reasons Switzerland has significantly less crime than just gun ownership statistics.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Which is why banning guns to stop crime is stupid. Fix the shit driving people to commit crime in the first place.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50631442]I love my guns but honestly dude, that's a very poor example. Switzerland and America are in no way comparable when it comes to guns. There's a hell of a lot more reasons Switzerland has significantly less crime than just gun ownership statistics.[/QUOTE] "You guys have to be more like European nation's gun control" "Well, Switzerland?" "No no no, you can't compare Europeans and US" :v:

[QUOTE=TheTalon;50626046]They (A sheriff to prove a point) put an inexperienced woman on a shooting range, and a guy 15 feet away crouched behind a barrel to her side. They instructed him to get up and run towards and past her when he saw her start to reload. Every time, she managed to reload and shoot down range again before he reached her. So have fun with that[/QUOTE] How is that possible? I remember watching this: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM&ab_channel=TheIndicrat[/media] Suggesting that in studying many trained police officers that 21 feet is roughly the distance it takes to reliably pull out a gun and take down a target without getting knifed. How in the world can an average untrained person pull a gun, reload and not get killed in 15 feet?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50631442]I love my guns but honestly dude, that's a very poor example. Switzerland and America are in no way comparable when it comes to guns. There's a hell of a lot more reasons Switzerland has significantly less crime than just gun ownership statistics.[/QUOTE] No doubt. There are a lot of factors which have led to these statistics. But people are focusing on an inanimate object as the cause of so many problems where we should (as Psychokitten pointed out) be focusing on the cause of crime like the crippling poverty many Americans face.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50631072]civilians with guns is still a stupid idea regardless.[/QUOTE] I like how when proven wrong with practical fact people like you just cross your arms and go "well its dumb anyway :downs:"

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50631442]I love my guns but honestly dude, that's a very poor example. Switzerland and America are in no way comparable when it comes to guns. There's a hell of a lot more reasons Switzerland has significantly less crime than just gun ownership statistics.[/QUOTE] Jarokwa just said civilians, seems fair enough to bring up Switzerland in this case.

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;50631491]How is that possible? I remember watching this: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM&ab_channel=TheIndicrat[/media] Suggesting that in studying many trained police officers that 21 feet is roughly the distance it takes to reliably pull out a gun and take down a target without getting knifed. How in the world can an average untrained person pull a gun, reload and not get killed in 15 feet?[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU[/media] See 9:37 for what he's talking about.

I feel if a place is going to not allow guns inside then they need to have people at the front making sure people don't bring guns in, otherwise its not very effective :v:

[QUOTE=camaroni;50631424][img]http://66.media.tumblr.com/606cd727dfda4c4974585a13d3001426/tumblr_inline_n6m0ninraU1r1jtxd.jpg[/img] Seems to work well for Switzerland.[/QUOTE] You need to have a permit to be allowed to buy guns, a passport/ID, residence address, a criminal background check, and it needs to be registered in a cantonal gun register of all gun holders in that canton. You can also only buy ammunition for guns that you are registered as owning, in addition to providing the same documents as for buying a gun. You can only open carry a loaded gun if you have a permit, which is only granted to people working in jobs such as security (and its extremely restricted). The soldiers you see carrying guns around don't have them loaded and aren't allowed to. So if it works for Switzerland and it's argued that Swiss have good laws, why not adopt the same laws for America?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50633098]You need to have a permit to be allowed to buy guns, a passport/ID, residence address, a criminal background check, and it needs to be registered in a cantonal gun register of all gun holders in that canton. You can also only buy ammunition for guns that you are registered as owning, in addition to providing the same documents as for buying a gun. You can only open carry a loaded gun if you have a permit, which is only granted to people working in jobs such as security (and its extremely restricted). The soldiers you see carrying guns around don't have them loaded and aren't allowed to. So if it works for Switzerland and it's argued that Swiss have good laws, why not adopt the same laws for America?[/QUOTE] It's almost like every country with stricter guns laws than the US has less gun problems. Also scenario regarding gun registration: Say I have a clean record and I purchase a gun, or several guns over a period of time. One day I decide to commit some kind of felony with one of my firearms. I get arrested, they confiscate the firearm, and now buying guns legally is probably a no go because of the criminal record. Do the police proceed to search for further weapons I may own? And if they're well hidden, couldn't I just lie about it? If a registry was mandatory then they would be aware of what you owned and could force you to turn them in or face additional charges. Am I wrong is that not a valid reason to have a registry? And I feel like this wouldn't exactly be an uncommon situation for criminals...

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50633098]You need to have a permit to be allowed to buy guns, a passport/ID, residence address, a criminal background check, and it needs to be registered in a cantonal gun register of all gun holders in that canton.[/QUOTE] US already does that. Don't agree that the government needs to know how many firearms I own/purchase however. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50633098]You can also only buy ammunition for guns that you are registered as owning, in addition to providing the same documents as for buying a gun.[/QUOTE] That's like saying I am unable to purchase a different type of fuel for the vehicle I own. So what if I want to buy diesel even though my car can't use it? The government shouldn't prohibit what I buy. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50633098]You can only open carry a loaded gun if you have a permit, which is only granted to people working in jobs such as security (and its extremely restricted). The soldiers you see carrying guns around don't have them loaded and aren't allowed to.[/QUOTE] Kind of defeats the purpose of having open carry without ammunition. Might as well have a club strapped to you instead. Besides, some states here allow open carry without a license. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50633098]So if it works for Switzerland and it's argued that Swiss have good laws, why not adopt the same laws for America?[/QUOTE] I just pointed out that our laws are similar to Switzerland. Besides that, I have 4 words for you: shall not be infringed. [QUOTE=No_Excuses;50633485]It's almost like every country with stricter guns laws than the US has less gun problems.[/QUOTE] Not true. [url]http://www.gunfacts.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GUNS-IN-OTHER-COUNTRIES-Firearm-Ownership-and-Homicides-Rates-per-Country.png[/url] Also in some of these countries, there are still plenty of violence problems even though firearms are even more restricted (I'm looking at you Britain [QUOTE=No_Excuses;50633485]Also scenario regarding gun registration: Say I have a clean record and I purchase a gun, or several guns over a period of time. One day I decide to commit some kind of felony with one of my firearms. I get arrested, they confiscate the firearm, and now buying guns legally is probably a no go because of the criminal record. Do the police proceed to search for further weapons I may own? And if they're well hidden, couldn't I just lie about it? If a registry was mandatory then they would be aware of what you owned and could force you to turn them in or face additional charges. Am I wrong is that not a valid reason to have a registry? And I feel like this wouldn't exactly be an uncommon situation for criminals...[/QUOTE] What purpose would it serve to lie about that? You're already in trouble and you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. Again, people are making it look like firearm owners are criminals despite having committed no crimes. The argument has already been brought up that if people have nothing to hide, let's just let Big Brother know all of our secrets. Sure officer, come into my house without a warrant. Come on NSA, take a look at my browsing history. I have nothing to hide! It sets a bad precedence all around.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;50623510]Is posting under the influence still bannable?[/QUOTE] i should have been perma'd by now if that's the case.

[QUOTE=camaroni;50633644]US already does that. Don't agree that the government needs to know how many firearms I own/purchase however. That's like saying I am unable to purchase a different type of fuel for the vehicle I own. So what if I want to buy diesel even though my car can't use it? The government shouldn't prohibit what I buy. Kind of defeats the purpose of having open carry without ammunition. Might as well have a club strapped to you instead. Besides, some states here allow open carry without a license. I just pointed out that our laws are similar to Switzerland. Besides that, I have 4 words for you: shall not be infringed. Not true. [url]http://www.gunfacts.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GUNS-IN-OTHER-COUNTRIES-Firearm-Ownership-and-Homicides-Rates-per-Country.png[/url] Also in some of these countries, there are still plenty of violence problems even though firearms are even more restricted (I'm looking at you Britain What purpose would it serve to lie about that? You're already in trouble and you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. Again, people are making it look like firearm owners are criminals despite having committed no crimes. The argument has already been brought up that if people have nothing to hide, let's just let Big Brother know all of our secrets. Sure officer, come into my house without a warrant. Come on NSA, take a look at my browsing history. I have nothing to hide! It sets a bad precedence all around.[/QUOTE] Good job the US has less gun violence then a bunch of violent and corrupt 3rd world countries. First world is the key I wish I didn't have to specify it every single time. And of course people are going to lie about it. Who wants their guns taken from them, especially after being convicted? People shit all over the registry but this is actually one problem it solves.

People don't want you to be able to compare Swiss to the US because that breaks the gun control narrative completely. It points out how bad culture, economic, and mental problems actually cause the crime, and then guns only make that crime more efficient, but would otherwise be replaced with another tool if not available. Blanket gun control laws don't fix the root issue at all and that's a fact. At least suggest smarter gun laws; like use of gun safes, licensed training, and instructor interaction/mental evals will do alot more then just banning a arbitrary gun type.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;50624031]Oh fuck I remember this, it's so tragic. It's such a shame the poor man died. I don't know how the situation would have gone otherwise however. What if the police stalled too much and the asshole ended up shooting the hostage instead?[/QUOTE] The real tragic thing about that is that the man wasn't even shot by the shooter, he was hit by the police when they lit up the other guy.

[QUOTE=Tudd;50635228]People don't want you to be able to compare Swiss to the US because that breaks the gun control narrative completely. It points out how bad culture, economic, and mental problems actually cause the crime, and then guns only make that crime more efficient, but would otherwise be replaced with another tool if not available. Blanket gun control laws don't fix the root issue at all and that's a fact. At least suggest smarter gun laws; like use of gun safes, licensed training, and instructor interaction/mental evals will do alot more then just banning a arbitrary gun type.[/QUOTE] But we just did compare then. They're much more strict about the entire gun ownership process. Let's go over it some more. -Most men from 20 to 34 are conscripted and undergo weapons training -Most firearms require an acquisition license. That Includes a valid ID and residence, background check, psychiatric history check and that you don't pose a security risk -To purchase ammo you need to meet the same requirements as above They also have mandatory refersher training 3 weeks of the year annually for 8 years. And another interestimg rule: "Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania:

[QUOTE=Tudd;50635228]People don't want you to be able to compare Swiss to the US because that breaks the gun control narrative completely.[/QUOTE] Those who cite Switzerland as an example of a place with heavily relaxed gun laws (for instance where they claim open carry is a thing) are disingenuous and ignorant of what Swiss legislation actually says. If you were to advocate Swiss gun laws you would be immediately painted as a gun-grabber. [editline]2nd July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=camaroni;50633644]US already does that. Don't agree that the government needs to know how many firearms I own/purchase however. That's like saying I am unable to purchase a different type of fuel for the vehicle I own. So what if I want to buy diesel even though my car can't use it? The government shouldn't prohibit what I buy. Kind of defeats the purpose of having open carry without ammunition. Might as well have a club strapped to you instead. Besides, some states here allow open carry without a license. I just pointed out that our laws are similar to Switzerland. Besides that, I have 4 words for you: shall not be infringed.[/QUOTE] but you said: [QUOTE=camaroni;50631424][img]http://66.media.tumblr.com/606cd727dfda4c4974585a13d3001426/tumblr_inline_n6m0ninraU1r1jtxd.jpg[/img] Seems to work well for Switzerland.[/QUOTE] If you said it works well for Switzerland, then why not adopt Swiss laws? They have lower gun crime and you said their laws work, so by extension it should work in America yes?

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50633927]Good job the US has less gun violence then a bunch of violent and corrupt 3rd world countries. First world is the key I wish I didn't have to specify it every single time. And of course people are going to lie about it. Who wants their guns taken from them, especially after being convicted? People shit all over the registry but this is actually one problem it solves.[/QUOTE] You posted that every country that has stricter laws have less issues with firearms. You didn't specify it then. Putting law abiding citizens on a registry won't curb any crimes nor will it make some individuals (like myself) feel more safe because it's not as if this list is transparent. I won't be able to know who owns firearms and frankly, I could care less if I did. They haven't committed a crime and should not be treated as a criminal. Let's not forget that in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the government stripped many citizens of their rights simply because they owned a firearm. They weren't criminals and had no legal precedence to do so. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50635745]Those who cite Switzerland as an example of a place with heavily relaxed gun laws (for instance where they claim open carry is a thing) are disingenuous and ignorant of what Swiss legislation actually says. If you were to advocate Swiss gun laws you would be immediately painted as a gun-grabber. [editline]2nd July 2016[/editline] but you said: If you said it works well for Switzerland, then why not adopt Swiss laws? They have lower gun crime and you said their laws work, so by extension it should work in America yes?[/QUOTE] Because they are Swiss and I'm an American. Those laws work for that country. The geopolitics and history of conflicts in that region have shaped the country into what it is today. Likewise when we overthrew your sorry excuse for a government back in the 18th century, our founding fathers knew that the people needed to be able to do it again if need be. Even from itself. That's why the Bill of Rights exists and why I cannot compromise any further. There has been too much already and no noticeable difference has been made with these arbitrary laws. All these laws don't address the true issue of the problem: crime and poverty.

[QUOTE=camaroni;50635871]Because they are Swiss and I'm an American.Those laws work for that country. The geopolitics and history of conflicts in that region have shaped the country into what it is today.[/quote] can you explain why their laws wouldn't work in america, considering that both countries have strong traditions of pluralism, democracy, decentralized government, independent-minded peoples, along with multiple cultures living together in addition to having loads of immigrants while being renowned for the freedom and material prosperity of its inhabitants? you explicitly said that switzerlands gun laws work if they work, why not actually introduce them in america? to be honest i think the swiss have more freedom than the americans when it comes to guns, considering even their existing legislation