AIPAC Attendees Say Jews Who Criticize Israel Are Traitors, Demand Loyalty To Netanyahu
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30048668]Blindly defending Israel ^^^[/QUOTE]
[url="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1090148-Shockingly-Israel-rejects-Obama?p=29945533&highlight=#post29945533"]No[/url], [url="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1090116-A-step-in-the-right-direction-Obama-calls-for-the-adoption-of-1967-borders-for-Palestine?p=29945351&highlight=#post29945351"]not[/url] and [url="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1090116-A-step-in-the-right-direction-Obama-calls-for-the-adoption-of-1967-borders-for-Palestine?p=29953763&viewfull=1#post29953763"]nope[/url].
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[QUOTE=captainHOE;30048477]Point being, he's so ignorant of the subject it's hilarious arguing with him. Starpluck, although having positions which I consider being [I]worse[/I] from amute's, is at least entertaining to argue with - and that's because he [B]knows[/B] what the fuck he's talking about.[/QUOTE]
And you blindly defending Israel anddddd arguing semantics means you're somehow this super genius on what's going on there?
Wow, you're an arrogant prick.
I don't like Israel all that much, but I kind of hate most Palestinian activists so I guess I am pro-Israel by default.
The Palestinian activists at my college were some of the most horrible, racist douche bags I have ever met.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30049662]
The Palestinian activists at my college were some of the most horrible, racist douche bags I have ever met.[/QUOTE]
oh well some members of a wildly varied group having bad personalities justifies denying a nation's right to exist and extensive military campaigns resulting in near-innumerable civilian casualties and heuehehueueheuhe
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30050001]oh well some members of a wildly varied group having bad personalities justifies denying a nation's right to exist and extensive military campaigns resulting in near-innumerable civilian casualties and heuehehueueheuhe[/QUOTE]
-----What he said
----What you understood
well if captainHOE represents israeli activists, ho ho watch out for that bombshell
[QUOTE=captainHOE;30050089]-----What he said
----What you understood[/QUOTE]
what he said was that his perception of the personalities of palestinian activists actually altered his opinion re: the israel/palestine conflict and all everything contained therein like the expansion of settlements, the use of military force, etc.
No, suicide bombings and rocket fire against civilian targets from Palestinian militants have altered my opinion re: the Israel/Palestine conflict.
I just also think that the Palestinian activists I've met in the USA are racist assholes.
[QUOTE=captainHOE;30048477]Point being, he's so ignorant of the subject it's hilarious arguing with him. Starpluck, although having positions which I consider being [i]worse[/i] from amute's, is at least entertaining to argue with - and that's because he [b]knows[/b] what the fuck he's talking about.[/QUOTE]
It's still an ad hominem.
Holy shit it's like every time someone has a disagreement with Israel they pull out the anti-semite card.
Makes me feel ashamed of having heritage over there.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30050988]No, suicide bombings and rocket fire against civilian targets from Palestinian militants have altered my opinion re: the Israel/Palestine conflict.[/QUOTE]
i don't see how the actions of militant palestinians can be used as justification for any sort of action against the much, much larger population of non-militant palestinians
palestine and israel aren't hive-minded entities to be held nationally responsible for any action taken within their borders. the presence of terrorists within palestine is no justification for denying palestine's right to exist, nor is it a justification for expanding settlements or blockading gaza
[QUOTE=Mister Cool;30051315]Holy shit it's like every time someone has a disagreement with Israel they pull out the anti-semite card.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately a lot of Palestinians are anti-semites.
I don't like Israel's policies at all, but I'm also not gonna side with any group that says Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth and Jews should be exterminated (Hamas).
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30051345]i don't see how the actions of militant palestinians can be used as justification for any sort of action against the much, much larger population of non-militant palestinians
palestine and israel aren't hive-minded entities to be held nationally responsible for any action taken within their borders. the presence of terrorists within palestine is no justification for denying palestine's right to exist, nor is it a justification for expanding settlements or blockading gaza[/QUOTE]
A majority of Palestinians elected Hamas to power.
Hamas supports terrorism and suicide attacks.
Ergo, a majority of Palestinians support terrorism and suicide attacks.
:smug:
[QUOTE=analrapist;30051568]Unfortunately a lot of Palestinians are anti-semites.
I don't like Israel's policies at all, but I'm also not gonna side with any group that says Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth and Jews should be exterminated (Hamas).
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
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A majority of Palestinians elected Hamas to power.
Hamas supports terrorism and suicide attacks.
Ergo, a majority of Palestinians support terrorism and suicide attacks[/B].[/QUOTE]
this argument doesn't work and it should be bloody obvious why.
Unless you believe that the Palestinian people were coerced into voting for Hamas, were ignorant of Hamas' support of terrorism, or the election was rigged, I don't see why that conclusion would be faulty.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30051568]A majority of Palestinians elected Hamas to power.
Hamas supports terrorism and suicide attacks.
Ergo, a majority of Palestinians support terrorism and suicide attacks.[/QUOTE]
they won with 44 percent of the vote and voter turnout was around 75 percent, which means that you can only safely say that about 33 percent of palestinians support hamas
but even if it were true to say that "51 percent of palestinians support suicide attacks" (a gross oversimplification), it would still not be a justification for denying palestine's right to exist.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30051568]
A majority of Palestinians elected Hamas to power.
Hamas supports terrorism and suicide attacks.
Ergo, a majority of Palestinians support terrorism and suicide attacks.
:smug:[/QUOTE]No that is a terrible attempt of an argument.
They were elected since they provided extensive social services Fatah lacked, and contrary to Hamas, Fatah was extremely corrupt.
[Release] In addition to its military wing, the so-called Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade, Hamas devotes much of its estimated $70-million annual budget to an extensive social services network. Indeed, the extensive social and political work done by Hamas - and its reputation among Palestinians as averse to corruption - [b] partly explain its defeat of the Fatah old guard in the 2006 legislative vote. [/b]Hamas*funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. "Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz. The Palestinian Authority often fails to provide such services, and Hamas's efforts in this area—as well as a reputation for honesty, in contrast to the many Fatah officials accused of corruption[b]—help to explain the broad popularity it summoned to defeat Fatah in the PA's recent elections[/b].[/release][url]http://www.cfr.org/israel/hamas/p8968#p6[/url]
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Can't we all just agree that [b]both[/b] sides are shitty, and America should just wash their hands of the whole thing and stop meddling around in the Middle East?
:nyoron:
[QUOTE=analrapist;30052296]Can't we all just agree that [b]both[/b] sides are shitty, and America should just wash their hands of the whole thing and stop meddling around in the Middle East?[/QUOTE]
You're starting to sound like those people who try to say Republicans and Democrats are equally shitty.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30052635]You're starting to sound like those people who try to say Republicans and Democrats are equally shitty.[/QUOTE]
Probably because they are.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30052988]Probably because they are.[/QUOTE]
Not by a long shot.
[QUOTE=amute;30047001] Netanyahu would sooner wipe Palestine off the map and take the land then give fair borders.[/QUOTE]
Fair borders, lol.
It's not about Israel being greedy and lot letting them have any land, it's about both being greedy and claiming every bit of land should be theirs. This is why negotiations, away from blind and stubborn public opinion should be carried out. They can come to a decent border agreement in time and your bashing of Netanyahu is both baseless and counter-productive.
[editline]26th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;30052140]No that is a terrible attempt of an argument.
They were elected since they provided extensive social services Fatah lacked, and contrary to Hamas, Fatah was extremely corrupt.
[Release] In addition to its military wing, the so-called Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade, Hamas devotes much of its estimated $70-million annual budget to an extensive social services network. Indeed, the extensive social and political work done by Hamas - and its reputation among Palestinians as averse to corruption - [b] partly explain its defeat of the Fatah old guard in the 2006 legislative vote. [/b]Hamas*funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. "Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz. The Palestinian Authority often fails to provide such services, and Hamas's efforts in this area—as well as a reputation for honesty, in contrast to the many Fatah officials accused of corruption[b]—help to explain the broad popularity it summoned to defeat Fatah in the PA's recent elections[/b].[/release][url]http://www.cfr.org/israel/hamas/p8968#p6[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah, the insane religious terrorism was just a side effect. Same reason people elect Fascist governments, they may be insane but they make the trains run on time.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30053156]Not by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
Republicans are totalitarian assholes who are running this country to the ground.
Democrats are naive assholes who are running this country to the ground.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30052296]Can't we all just agree that [b]both[/b] sides are shitty, and America should just wash their hands of the whole thing and stop meddling around in the Middle East?
:nyoron:[/QUOTE]
no because that won't solve anything
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