Notre Dame Students Walk Out of Mike Pence Commencement Address
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[QUOTE]A large crowd of students walked out of the Notre Dame commencement ceremony on Sunday in protest of the speaker, Vice President Mike Pence, who delivered a speech that mixed platitudes about bright, dream-filled futures with a lengthy rebuke of political correctness on college campuses.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/21/us/mike-pence-notre-dame-commencement-address.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/21/us/mike-pence-notre-dame-commencement-address.html[/URL]
Good on them
"What Cry Babies, Guess what Libtards, Mike Pence is going to Stay!"
What i saw on facebook the other day from this.
Huh, turns out people aren't going to listen to a man who advocated for torturing gay people in order to turn them straight, who'dve thunk?
This has nothing on the Devos commencement a while back
[video=youtube;Y4BqmN8yWk8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BqmN8yWk8[/video]
Although an awesome gesture, it didn't seem like a lot in the grand scale of ND's size It looked like only <100 students to me. (Just checked, was cited as "over 100" which is probably to say just over 100.)
Which is to be expected if true. As a resident of the area can say from experience, ND fucking sucks.
My dad is an alum and a friend of mine just became an ND grad himself. He says it fucking ruled, and was shocking to the 85% Catholic school. My grand dad called my dad and told him he was super proud of him and his university.
[editline]22nd May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Uber22;52262778]"What Cry Babies, Guess what Libtards, Mike Pence is going to Stay!"
What i saw on facebook the other day from this.[/QUOTE]
Almost lost it when a grandmother of a friend of mine said those who walked out shouldn't have been able to graduate. The idea of stripping a student of their graduation after 4 years of sacrifice and constant work (plus the crippling student debt) because they don't want to listen to an intolerable anus on one of the most important days of their life sickens me.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52262807]This has nothing on the Devos commencement a while back
[video=youtube;Y4BqmN8yWk8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BqmN8yWk8[/video][/QUOTE]
Lol she deserved it just as much as Pence
She claimed that historically black colleges were pioneers of "school choice"... in reality these schools were born out of whites shutting out african americans from their institutions after the civil war
Fuck i hate these people so much
Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out? Even if you are 100% certain you will due to you never having agreed with anything they've said in the past, then surely you should want to stick around to make sure they don't have any particularly concerning new ideas. If they DO have some new, concerning ideas then surely you should want to hear them directly from the horses mouth and have as much time to mull over those ideas as possible so that you understand where the political scene may move in the near future, and how to get a head start on countering those bad ideas.
It seems to me that a lot of people are more concerned about [I]appearing[/I] like they care than actually caring. If you legitimately care about a movement then I feel like you should be gathering as much intelligence as possible so that you're in the best possible position to counter the side you disagree with.
This is a much better jesture than senorsing speakers before they come to the school. Pense probably got the message much stronger than Milo or Coulter ever did.
I don't agree with them walking out before he even gets a chance to speak.
I feel like it would have been a stronger motion to stay, and then when he starts spouting shit (I've heard second-hand that his speech went onto a rant about political correctness or something), [b]that's[/b] when you get up to leave.
The former just feels to me like a total shutdown, whereas the latter is a clear "We'll listen only if you have something worth listening to" message.
But that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263277]Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. [B]I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out?[/B] [/QUOTE]
Uh you are aware that there was an election recently right? A year long campaign where Trump and Pence sold themselves to the nation?
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52263317]I don't agree with them walking out before he even gets a chance to speak.
I feel like it would have been a stronger motion to stay, and then when he starts spouting shit (I've heard second-hand that his speech went onto a rant about political correctness or something), [b]that's[/b] when you get up to leave.
The former just feels to me like a total shutdown, whereas the latter is a clear "We'll listen only if you have something worth listening to" message.
But that's jy my opinion.[/QUOTE]
he's a ghoul regardless of what he says. He could give the most generic apolitical speech ever and i'd still walk out as a gesture of how much i despise him
[QUOTE=Swiket;52263325]he's a ghoul regardless of what he says. He could give the most generic apolitical speech ever and i'd still walk out as a gesture of how much i despise him[/QUOTE]
Oh, sure. I absolutely agree.
I'm just saying that I feel it would have been a stronger motion to leave with regards to an active monologue, rather than just on principle of who the speaker is.
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52263306]This is a much better jesture than senorsing speakers before they come to the school. Pense probably got the message much stronger than Milo or Coulter ever did.[/QUOTE]
Milo and Coulter are infantilizing infotainment clowns. There is everything right with censoring these hate-spewing pieces of trash if you don't want them at your university. This is different, this is an elected official speaking at their graduation. You obviously can't shut down a graduation as a student.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52263328]Oh, sure. I absolutely agree.
I'm just saying that I feel it would have been a stronger motion to leave with regards to an active monologue, rather than just on principle of who the speaker is.[/QUOTE]
When would you decide to leave?
If you leave on "we're gonna fuck your health care coverage entirely" you won't be able to leave on "gays should be electrocuted until they like pussy"
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52263401]When would you decide to leave?
If you leave on "we're gonna fuck your health care coverage entirely" you won't be able to leave on "gays should be electrocuted until they like pussy"[/QUOTE]
I suppose if you want to be thorough, you could leave and then come back just to leave again. :v:
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263277]Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out? Even if you are 100% certain you will due to you never having agreed with anything they've said in the past, then surely you should want to stick around to make sure they don't have any particularly concerning new ideas. If they DO have some new, concerning ideas then surely you should want to hear them directly from the horses mouth and have as much time to mull over those ideas as possible so that you understand where the political scene may move in the near future, and how to get a head start on countering those bad ideas.
It seems to me that a lot of people are more concerned about [I]appearing[/I] like they care than actually caring. If you legitimately care about a movement then I feel like you should be gathering as much intelligence as possible so that you're in the best possible position to counter the side you disagree with.[/QUOTE]
He's a politician who has made his views very clear, we've had an entire election cycle to hear him out, calling protest intellectually dishonest is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52263323]Uh you are aware that there was an election recently right? A year long campaign where Trump and Pence sold themselves to the nation?[/QUOTE]
And he might come up with even worse ideas that it'd probably be a good idea to hear about as soon as possible, and from the horses mouth if possible so you don't receive the message after everyone has put their own spin on it.
He might also, as ridiculous as it may sound, have one or two good ideas that are worth thinking about even if you don't agree with the vast majority of what he says.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263277]Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out? Even if you are 100% certain you will due to you never having agreed with anything they've said in the past, then surely you should want to stick around to make sure they don't have any particularly concerning new ideas. If they DO have some new, concerning ideas then surely you should want to hear them directly from the horses mouth and have as much time to mull over those ideas as possible so that you understand where the political scene may move in the near future, and how to get a head start on countering those bad ideas.
It seems to me that a lot of people are more concerned about [I]appearing[/I] like they care than actually caring. If you legitimately care about a movement then I feel like you should be gathering as much intelligence as possible so that you're in the best possible position to counter the side you disagree with.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if I'd give a shock therapy supporting racist bigot the time of day, let alone listen to him spew his inane bullshit for an hour straight.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52263593]I'm not sure if I'd give a shock therapy supporting racist bigot the time of day, let alone listen to him spew his inane bullshit for an hour straight.[/QUOTE]
[I]This[/I] is one of the biggest problems with politics nowadays! This is identity politics! If 99% of the ideas somebody has are shit, but the remaining 1% are actually decent, you don't just ignore their decent ideas because you disagree with everything else they say. You should be willing to hear people out on every individual topic before coming to a conclusion on that specific thing.
The balance of probability says that you're all probably right, and he [I]probably[/I] just spews more bullshit, hateful, bigoted rhetoric like he has in the past. [I]But on the off chance[/I] that he has something worthwhile to say it's worth hearing him out instead of jumping to conclusions before the fact. And if it is all just bullshit... then so be it; but at least you did your part in being a reasonable human and decided not to conflate the person with the ideas on that particular occaision.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263625][I]This[/I] is one of the biggest problems with politics nowadays! This is identity politics! If 99% of the ideas somebody has are shit, but the remaining 1% are actually decent, you don't just ignore their decent ideas because you disagree with everything else they say. You should be willing to hear people out on every individual topic before coming to a conclusion on that specific thing.
The balance of probability says that you're all probably right, and he [I]probably[/I] just spews more bullshit, hateful, bigoted rhetoric like he has in the past. [I]But on the off chance[/I] that he has something worthwhile to say it's worth hearing him out instead of jumping to conclusions before the fact. And if it is all just bullshit... then so be it; but at least you did your part in being a reasonable human and decided not to conflate the person with the ideas on that particular occaision.[/QUOTE]
Again, we've had a year to listen to campaign speeches and policy proposals. It's not identity politics because I'm not saying "this guy is a christian conservative therefore his views are shit".
His views are shit, and I'm not required or obligated to wade through 7 hours of retarded bullshit that belongs in the 1850s to hear the 1 minute of text that is somewhat reasonable.
I'm not required to "hear out" a flat earther, because whatever they have to say is wrong and stupid, and whatever I have to say to them will be ignored entirely.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52263649]Again, we've had a year to listen to campaign speeches and policy proposals. It's not identity politics because I'm not saying "this guy is a christian conservative therefore his views are shit".
His views are shit, and I'm not required or obligated to wade through 7 hours of retarded bullshit that belongs in the 1850s to hear the 1 minute of text that is somewhat reasonable.
I'm not required to "hear out" a flat earther, because whatever they have to say is wrong and stupid, and whatever I have to say to them will be ignored entirely.[/QUOTE]
The whole flat Earth thing is a single stance on a single thing, and we know it's wrong so yes, you don't need to hear them out. A politician doesn't have a single stance, though. There are many problems in society that require solutions, and every politician is going to have a slightly different stance on every one of them; as new problems are brought to the foreground you're going to hear their views on the matter for the first time at some point.
I'm not saying you in particular have to listen to these speeches. The people who should listen to speeches by people who they might be entirely certain they don't like or agree with are people who are seriously involved in political activism. If you take such things seriously, and if you want to help solve social problems and whatnot then walking out on people as some token gesture of solidarity to a cause isn't particularly helpful or productive.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263625][I]This[/I] is one of the biggest problems with politics nowadays! This is identity politics! If 99% of the ideas somebody has are shit, but the remaining 1% are actually decent, you don't just ignore their decent ideas because you disagree with everything else they say. You should be willing to hear people out on every individual topic before coming to a conclusion on that specific thing.
The balance of probability says that you're all probably right, and he [I]probably[/I] just spews more bullshit, hateful, bigoted rhetoric like he has in the past. [I]But on the off chance[/I] that he has something worthwhile to say it's worth hearing him out instead of jumping to conclusions before the fact. And if it is all just bullshit... then so be it; but at least you did your part in being a reasonable human and decided not to conflate the person with the ideas on that particular occaision.[/QUOTE]
What drivel. There's too many people in the world and too little time in my life to go diving in every human dumpster in the off chance someone threw out the metaphorical unopened box of wheat thins.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52263700]What drivel. There's too many people in the world and too little time in my life to go diving in every human dumpster in the off chance someone threw out the metaphorical unopened box of wheat thins.[/QUOTE]
How can you possibly hope to combat that which you don't even understand? Mike Pence seems like a reprehensible human being to me, but you don't combat ignorance with more ignorance and you're a fucking fool if you think otherwise.
[editline]23rd May 2017[/editline]
I mean, you must realise that this is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going, "I don't like you, I'm not listening to you." This isn't how you solve problems.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263277]Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out? [/QUOTE]
It's not like Mike Pence has been in the public eye for years already. Nor has he done anything that would allow anyone to judge if they agree with him or not.
Nope. Nothing at all.
[editline]23rd May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263707]How can you possibly hope to combat that which you don't even understand? Mike Pence seems like a reprehensible human being to me, but you don't combat ignorance with more ignorance and you're a fucking fool if you think otherwise.
[editline]23rd May 2017[/editline]
I mean, you must realise that this is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going, "I don't like you, I'm not listening to you." This isn't how you solve problems.[/QUOTE]
Why should you force yourself through reprehensible, awful stances in the hope that maybe, *maybe* someone has an opinion that isn't?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52263731]Why should you force yourself through reprehensible, awful stances in the hope that maybe, *maybe* someone has an opinion that isn't?[/QUOTE]
My reasoning was two-fold. That they might have good ideas is one reason. The second reason is that you can't rightly combat stances that you haven't properly listened to. Yes, you can obtain the information from other people later on, but if nobody from your 'side' decides to stick around to listen to it in the first place then the only filter that you're going to get it through is the filter attached to the very people who you take a stance against.
So nobody likes Mike "Electroshock your love of cock" Pence, what a shocker.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263756]My reasoning was two-fold. That they might have good ideas is one reason. The second reason is that you can't rightly combat stances that you haven't properly listened to. Yes, you can obtain the information from other people later on, but if nobody from your 'side' decides to stick around to listen to it in the first place then the only filter that you're going to get it through is the filter attached to the very people who you take a stance against.[/QUOTE]
I get your point, and I do agree - but I think it only applies up to a certain point. When you're actively trying to take other people's rights away because of your [b]personal[/b] beliefs you are a terrible human being and in my opinion not worth my time.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263277]Storming out on people with differing political ideologies, or worse yet stopping them from speaking in the first place (not what happened here, I'm aware: just as a general statement on what sometimes occurs at universities) seems like an intellectually dishonest move to me. I mean how can you be certain you'll disagree with everything a person says if you don't hear them out?[/QUOTE]
every human has a right to be a burbling anus, but by the same token every human has a right not to listen to a blistered bumhole burble out bollocks.
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