• Notre Dame Students Walk Out of Mike Pence Commencement Address
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[QUOTE=sltungle;52263756]My reasoning was two-fold. That they might have good ideas is one reason. The second reason is that you can't rightly combat stances that you haven't properly listened to. Yes, you can obtain the information from other people later on, but if nobody from your 'side' decides to stick around to listen to it in the first place then the only filter that you're going to get it through is the filter attached to the very people who you take a stance against.[/QUOTE] Look, i don't need to be a cook to know that the food is shit and i'm certainly not going tp sit around sending my food back until they get it right. I'm a Hoosier, i know [i]exactly[/i] what Pence has to say and offer and it's as garbage as he is. I'm sure Trump has said something decent in his life but that doesn't mean i want him as my president nor do i want to listen to him talk at all. Consider it "intellectually dishonest" all you'd like, it's my right as an American to decry and act against a horrible person and politician i didn't want in office to begin with.
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263625][I]This[/I] is one of the biggest problems with politics nowadays! This is identity politics! If 99% of the ideas somebody has are shit, but the remaining 1% are actually decent, you don't just ignore their decent ideas because you disagree with everything else they say. You should be willing to hear people out on every individual topic before coming to a conclusion on that specific thing. The balance of probability says that you're all probably right, and he [I]probably[/I] just spews more bullshit, hateful, bigoted rhetoric like he has in the past. [I]But on the off chance[/I] that he has something worthwhile to say it's worth hearing him out instead of jumping to conclusions before the fact. And if it is all just bullshit... then so be it; but at least you did your part in being a reasonable human and decided not to conflate the person with the ideas on that particular occaision.[/QUOTE] You realize there's literally not time to hear everyone out on everything, right? Like that is literally impossible. No person can do that.
[QUOTE=elowin;52264305]You realize there's literally not time to hear everyone out on everything, right? Like that is literally impossible. No person can do that.[/QUOTE] Right, and Notre Dame is in South Bend, Indiana. These people have already had to listen to him for years while he's been in office. Also, as an aside, people did the same shit to Obama at Notre Dame Back in [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/15/obama.notre.dame/"]2009[/URL]. The bulk of the group protesting Obama's invitation cited "[URL="http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/notre-dame-picks-pence-for-commencement-speaker#.WMGA-NLyuUl"]political correctness[/URL]" as Notre Dame's main motivation for inviting him despite his politics that don't line up with Catholic doctrine.
[QUOTE=Uber22;52262778]"What Cry Babies, Guess what Libtards, Mike Pence is going to Stay!" What i saw on facebook the other day from this.[/QUOTE] How can anybody seriously think "he's your president deal with it" is a fucking argument? It only comes off as bitter and smug.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52264494]How can anybody seriously think "he's your president deal with it" is a fucking argument? It only comes off as bitter and smug.[/QUOTE] Because people who say that stuff ARE bitter and smug and also too stupid to realize it makes them look bad.
It is funny because when Obama was in office, the right was constantly going "hurrrr #notmypresident"
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52263246]Almost lost it when a grandmother of a friend of mine said those who walked out shouldn't have been able to graduate. The idea of stripping a student of their graduation after 4 years of sacrifice and constant work (plus the crippling student debt) because they don't want to listen to an intolerable anus on one of the most important days of their life sickens me.[/QUOTE] I had a relative that was my age (actually younger, but seems determined to act like an old man) post on Facebook about how it was disrespectful and they should have been happy that they got the VP and that their school agreed not to invite Trump, and how they're gonna regret not being at their graduation.
"these liberals are against free speech!!" is the popular refrain I'm seeing from the right. it's pretty clear they consider anything offensive to them as against free speech, lmao. who's the snowflakes again?
[QUOTE=sltungle;52263756]My reasoning was two-fold. That they might have good ideas is one reason. The second reason is that you can't rightly combat stances that you haven't properly listened to. Yes, you can obtain the information from other people later on, but if nobody from your 'side' decides to stick around to listen to it in the first place then the only filter that you're going to get it through is the filter attached to the very people who you take a stance against.[/QUOTE] Why is it always the lefty liberals who have to reach common ground with the right and why does the right never have to compromise with the left.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52265422]Why is it always the lefty liberals who have to reach common ground with the right and why does the right never have to compromise with the left.[/QUOTE] That's kind of warped thinking. That argument is perfectly valid on either side of the aisle.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52265450]That's kind of warped thinking. That argument is perfectly valid on either side of the aisle.[/QUOTE] I dunno Republicans have made it very clear over the past decade that conservatism is the only option and refuses anything to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52265455]I dunno Republicans have made it very clear over the past decade that conservatism is the only option and refuses anything to the contrary.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile liberals and Democrats have on many occasions tried (and failed miserably) to come to an understanding with Republicans and conservatives in general.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52265455]I dunno Republicans have made it very clear over the past decade that conservatism is the only option and refuses anything to the contrary.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Alice3173;52266112]Meanwhile liberals and Democrats have on many occasions tried (and failed miserably) to come to an understanding with Republicans and conservatives in general.[/QUOTE] I'm by no means disagreeing with you, I am on the left as well. However, I am just saying that if you look at it from the other side, any failed conservative agenda is going to be blamed on the left because that's the opposition. I'm sure gun control would be a prime example of the left not compromising on anything.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52266299]I'm by no means disagreeing with you, I am on the left as well. However, I am just saying that if you look at it from the other side, any failed conservative agenda is going to be blamed on the left because that's the opposition. I'm sure gun control would be a prime example of the left not compromising on anything.[/QUOTE] Right wing media has gotten so toxic and insular I don't think some conservatives believe that their ideology can fail in any way. As in when a republican candidate fails, the base believes it was because the candidate in question wasn't conservative enough. So they just dig deeper and deeper going farther right. I mean maybe they blame the left too but right now the democrats hold very little power. The wider public aren't gonna buy that the GOP's fuckups are the fault of the Democratic party, if they ever did believe that.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52266327]Right wing media has gotten so toxic and insular I don't think some conservatives believe that their ideology can fail in any way. As in when a republican candidate fails, the base believes it was because the candidate in question wasn't conservative enough. So they just dig deeper and deeper going farther right. I mean maybe they blame the left too but right now the democrats hold very little power. The wider public aren't gonna buy that the GOP's fuckups are the fault of the Democratic party, if they ever did believe that.[/QUOTE] No you are right. The right is "regressing", for lack of a better term, further right. I think the left is doing the same to some extent, but there is a movement to reel it back in (Sanders et al). Most of the GOPs recent failures are completely internal and it's fun to watch the metaphorical house burn from the inside out. Primarily, the 8 year preparation to dismantle the ungodly sin that is Obamacare, and it's failed multiple times with full control.
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