Australian child molester Peter Scully faces death penalty in Philippines
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SIRIUS lacks empathy for the victims parents and anyone else who feels outrage over the actions of Scully.
So basically he has empathy and compassion for a torturer, rapist child murderer but not for someone who has outrage and wants retribution for one of the most heinous of crimes, weird.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51123323]SIRIUS lacks empathy for the victims parents and anyone else who feels outrage over the actions of Scully.
So basically he has empathy and compassion for a torturer, rapist child murderer but not for someone who has outrage and wants retribution for one of the most heinous of crimes, weird.[/QUOTE]
I do, but indulging the victims need for revenge DOES NOTHING, HELPS NOTHING, FIXES NOTHING. I have empathy for any person, its weird that you don't
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118999]The amount of misrepresenting my arguments in this post is insane, it's like you guys aren't even reading them. How about you tell me why he DOESN'T deserve to live?[/QUOTE]
did you not read MY post? i said multiple times that he doesn't deserve to live because he's raped and murdered children. you know, stolen the lives of other "PEOPLE" who you value so much.
[QUOTE=mayo;51124357]did you not read MY post? i said multiple times that he doesn't deserve to live because he's raped and murdered children. you know, stolen the lives of other "PEOPLE" who you value so much.[/QUOTE]
But that can't be fixed, it can't be changed.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124210]I do, but indulging the victims need for revenge DOES NOTHING, HELPS NOTHING, FIXES NOTHING. I have empathy for any person, its weird that you don't[/QUOTE]
so we should just let him roam free? what makes imprisoning people any different than the death penalty in terms of it being "revenge"? both the death penalty and putting him in jail keeps people safe, just one doesn't involve wasting resources on him. and the fact that you have any empathy for this asshole whatsoever is weird. do you have empathy for terrorists too?
[QUOTE=mayo;51124376]so we should just let him roam free? what makes imprisoning people any different than the death penalty in terms of it being "revenge"? both the death penalty and putting him in jail keeps people safe, just one doesn't involve wasting resources on him. and the fact that you have any empathy for this asshole whatsoever is weird. do you have empathy for terrorists too?[/QUOTE]
please bother to read my posts. In prison he should have access to the help every human deserves. Having selective empathy is fucked, and I have empathy for all people
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124371]But that can't be fixed, it can't be changed.[/QUOTE]
okay, and? wasting resources on him in prison isn't going to change shit either. fact of the matter is this guy is better off dead, "ACCORDING TO WHO??? HE'S A PERSON TOO!!!". according to anyone who realizes the weight of what he did and knows that not every person deserves empathy just because they exist. there are consequences for your actions, he consciously made the choice to torture several innocent children. tell me why you care about him so much, other than the fact "he's a human!". if anything that just makes him worse, because we as humans are capable of making decisions based off logic, which he clearly chose not to do. Peter Scully is an animal, i couldn't care less about anything negative that happens to him and i'll never understand why psychos like you do and act as if it's just you being morally superior.
[QUOTE=mayo;51124415]okay, and? wasting resources on him in prison isn't going to change shit either. fact of the matter is this guy is better off dead, "ACCORDING TO WHO??? HE'S A PERSON TOO!!!". according to anyone who realizes the weight of what he did and knows that not every person deserves empathy just because they exist. there are consequences for your actions, he consciously made the choice to torture several innocent children. tell me why you care about him so much, other than the fact "he's a human!". if anything that just makes him worse, because we as humans are capable of making decisions based off logic, which he clearly chose not to do. Peter Scully is an animal, i couldn't care less about anything negative that happens to him and i'll never understand why psychos like you do and act as if it's just you being morally superior.[/QUOTE]
Why do you say "wasting"?
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Also this "this person is a lesser human who deserves to die" is the same thought that let's murderers convince themselves they're just
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124386]please bother to read my posts. In prison he should have access to the help every human deserves. Having selective empathy is fucked, and I have empathy for all people[/QUOTE]
this man should never be allowed out in public again. are you meaning to tell me that he doesn't deserve the life sentence either? what do you recommend, a slap on the wrist and a couple years of rehab? sorry, but someone who dedicated years of his life to torturing/murdering children due to his sick fantasies and monetary gain has nothing positive to contribute to society. not everything is flowers and rainbows and not every person is good, sorry to tell you Mr. LalaLand. i'm sure you're SUCH a better person than me for defending this poor, misunderstood soul. all people should be cherished based off their sole existence, not their actions. i'm basically satan for implying this man is human trash.
[QUOTE=mayo;51124438]this man should never be allowed out in public again. [B]are you meaning to tell me that he doesn't deserve the life sentence either?[/B] what do you recommend, a slap on the wrist and a couple years of rehab? sorry, but someone who dedicated years of his life to torturing/murdering children due to his sick fantasies and monetary gain has nothing positive to contribute to society. not everything is flowers and rainbows and not every person is good, sorry to tell you Mr. LalaLand. i'm sure you're SUCH a better person than me for defending this poor, misunderstood soul. all people should be cherished based off their sole existence, not their actions. i'm basically satan for implying this man is human trash.[/QUOTE]
what... I never once said or implied that. the level of straw man and ad hominem you're going for here is crazy
[QUOTE=mayo;51124438]this man should never be allowed out in public again. are you meaning to tell me that he doesn't deserve the life sentence either? what do you recommend, a slap on the wrist and a couple years of rehab? sorry, but someone who dedicated years of his life to torturing/murdering children due to his sick fantasies and monetary gain has nothing positive to contribute to society. not everything is flowers and rainbows and not every person is good, sorry to tell you Mr. LalaLand. i'm sure you're SUCH a better person than me for defending this poor, misunderstood soul. all people should be cherished based off their sole existence, not their actions. i'm basically satan for implying this man is human trash.[/QUOTE]
He's simply decided that the actions that one takes as a human make no difference to the value of yourself as a human and seems to be immovable. He has offered nothing to support this view other than the fact that yes, he is still biologically a human being. He basically takes the useless determinist view that someone who does something bad must have had something done to them to make it not their fault. Ergo, he then has a ridiculously optimistic view about the power of psychology and therapy and the possibility of 'curing' someone of being evil.
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[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124453]what... I never once said or implied that. the level of straw man and ad hominem you're going for here is crazy[/QUOTE]
Yes you have? You have said that once he is rehabilitated, he should be let out. Which is not supporting a life sentence.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51124455]He's simply decided that the actions that one takes as a human make no difference to the value of yourself as a human and seems to be immovable. He has offered nothing to support this view other than the fact that yes, he is still biologically a human being. He basically takes the useless determinist view that someone who does something bad must have had something done to them to make it not their fault. Ergo, he then has a ridiculously optimistic view about the power of psychology and therapy and the possibility of 'curing' someone of being evil.
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Yes you have? You have said that once he is rehabilitated, he should be let out. Which is not supporting a life sentence.[/QUOTE]
yes, I suppose, but only under that exact circumstance, not just "ohhhh it's not your fault honey, out you go"
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124425]Why do you say "wasting"?
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Also this "this person is a lesser human who deserves to die" is the same thought that let's murderers convince themselves they're just[/QUOTE]
"wasting" because Peter Scully is human waste. want to know how, Mr. Perfect? read the article in the op.
also, your logic is fucking awful. are you seriously comparing me to Peter Scully and saying i'm treating him how he did those children? newsflash, there's a big difference between the two in this situation. those children did absolutely wrong and were murdered for NO reason, whereas Peter Scully has committed heaps of horrible crimes. he is a lesser human because he has proved himself to be through his disgusting actions, those children did nothing wrong to be killed. i am basing my thoughts off rationality, Peter based his off his perverted fantasies. you are honestly sick in the head for even making that comparison and thinking it made any sense.
And also you have a supremely childish view of 'good and evil' as if they exist at all in the real world
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[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51124455]He's simply decided that the actions that one takes as a human make no difference to the value of yourself as a human and seems to be immovable. He has offered nothing to support this view other than the fact that yes, he is still biologically a human being. He basically takes the useless determinist view that someone who does something bad must have had something done to them to make it not their fault. Ergo, he then has a ridiculously optimistic view about the power of psychology and therapy and the possibility of 'curing' someone of being evil.
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Yes you have? You have said that once he is rehabilitated, he should be let out. Which is not supporting a life sentence.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124453]what... I never once said or implied that. the level of straw man and ad hominem you're going for here is crazy[/QUOTE]
there's a pretty strong implication that you want him to be released at some point if you're so eager on him getting help. it wouldn't make much of a difference if he's 'rehabilitated' or not if you want him to rot behind bars.
[QUOTE=mayo;51124466]"wasting" because Peter Scully is human waste. want to know how, Mr. Perfect? read the article in the op.
also, your logic is fucking awful. are you seriously comparing me to Peter Scully and saying i'm treating him how he did those children? newsflash, there's a big difference between the two in this situation. those children did absolutely wrong and were murdered for NO reason, whereas Peter Scully has committed heaps of horrible crimes. he is a lesser human because he has proved himself to be through his disgusting actions, those children did nothing wrong to be killed. i am basing my thoughts off rationality, Peter based his off his perverted fantasies. you are honestly sick in the head for even making that comparison and thinking it made any sense.[/QUOTE]
even more ad hominem, and actually I didn't compare you to him, if you'd read my post without JUST looking for an angle to 'win' you see I was comparing your justifications to those of murderers in general
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[QUOTE=mayo;51124488]there's a pretty strong implication that you want him to be released at some point if you're so eager on him getting help. it wouldn't make much of a difference if he's 'rehabilitated' or not if you want him to rot behind bars.[/QUOTE]
It would to him
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124490]even more ad hominem, and actually I didn't compare you to him, if you'd read my post without JUST looking for an angle to 'win' you see I was comparing your justifications to those of murderers in general
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It would to him[/QUOTE]
why should we care if it makes a difference to him?
The same reason we'd want to care about anyone's health.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124490]It would to him[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he'd have the chance to rape, tourture, and kill another child.
[QUOTE=Banned?;51124751]Yeah, he'd have the chance to rape, tourture, and kill another child.[/QUOTE]
In prison? causer that's what we're talking about
Sirius, I've been reading you playing the devil's advocate role for the last 9 pages. I don't quite follow what you're trying to prove here.
I'm not playing devils advocate or trying to prove anything, killing this man is pointless and wrong
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124762]I'm not playing devils advocate or trying to prove anything, killing this man is pointless and wrong[/QUOTE]
What about the Nuremberg trials, do you think those Nazi war criminals deserved to be spared?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51124775]What about the Nuremberg trials, do you think those Nazi war criminals deserved to be spared?[/QUOTE]
I see no reason they should be killed, but also no reason for them not to go to prison
He would rehabilitate them and then release them once he was sure they wouldn't start a genocidal war machine ever again
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51124797]He would rehabilitate them and then release them once he was sure they wouldn't start a genocidal war machine ever again[/QUOTE]
TBH that example is pretty silly considering on their own they are actually pretty fucking useless
Not that this isn't probably the most extreme case in ages, but there are always so many circlejerk posts in these threads. I don't know why you guys feel the need to post nothing but "wow what a sick fuck, I hope he X" when there are already 10 others.
I would say give him 50 life sentences or whatever, the idea that we would be able to rehabilitate someone like that in 2016 is totally silly.
Still don't like the idea of the death penalty though. The severity of the crime isn't really something that should be part of the discussion. I hear a lot of people say on here that they think it should only be used in extreme cases, which suggests that they know it's problematic, but trying to think we can come up with some sort of criteria when it's okay seems like a bad idea. When the justice system kills somebody there's no urgency or extra motive the way there is with e.g. going after a terrorist.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124210]I do, but indulging the victims need for revenge DOES NOTHING, HELPS NOTHING, FIXES NOTHING. I have empathy for any person, its weird that you don't[/QUOTE]
And what does it achieve/help/fix if we keep him alive? It only serves to keep a minority of overly empathetic liberals happy.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126255]And what does it achieve/help/fix if we keep him alive? It only serves to keep a minority of overly empathetic liberals happy.[/QUOTE]
And waste away resources that could be used for others.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51124210]I do, but indulging the victims need for revenge DOES NOTHING, HELPS NOTHING, FIXES NOTHING. I have empathy for any person, its weird that you don't[/QUOTE]
But in this case it fixes the fact that there is one less monstrous person on this planet. So it's a win-win.
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[QUOTE=Splarg!;51125028]Not that this isn't probably the most extreme case in ages, but there are always so many circlejerk posts in these threads. I don't know why you guys feel the need to post nothing but "wow what a sick fuck, I hope he X" when there are already 10 others.
I would say give him 50 life sentences or whatever, the idea that we would be able to rehabilitate someone like that in 2016 is totally silly.
Still don't like the idea of the death penalty though. The severity of the crime isn't really something that should be part of the discussion. I hear a lot of people say on here that they think it should only be used in extreme cases, which suggests that they know it's problematic, but trying to think we can come up with some sort of criteria when it's okay seems like a bad idea. When the justice system kills somebody there's no urgency or extra motive the way there is with e.g. going after a terrorist.[/QUOTE]
Honestly. I see death penalty as the best option here.
There'd be no money wasted on his upkeep and no risks of him possibly causing further harm.
And even studying him might be wasteful as it's highly likely for him to spew some absolute bullshit when interviewed. And with narcissism being inherent to psychopathy it's even more likely for him to get kicks out of the attention.
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