• Australian child molester Peter Scully faces death penalty in Philippines
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[QUOTE=Tarver;51109358]And letting this bastard live doesn't bother you? Im sorry but you're lying to yourself if you feel that revenge isnt a good closure[/QUOTE] My desire for revenge is irrelevant to the process of justice.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109360]My desire for revenge is irrelevant to the process of justice.[/QUOTE] Justice may be blind but doesnt transcend all,some crimes have to be dealt with personally,thats the way it will always be and it can never change
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109370]Justice may be blind but doesnt transcend all,some crimes have to be dealt with personally,thats the way it will always be and it can never change[/QUOTE] Care to explain to me how you could have possibly come to this conclusion?
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109370]Justice may be blind but doesnt transcend all,some crimes have to be dealt with personally,thats the way it will always be and it can never change[/QUOTE] That's a pretty fucking ridiculous claim. I don't feel some need to murder this guy because I'm not a goddamn animal. Why do you feel the need to kill him so badly?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109373]Care to explain to me how you could have possibly come to this conclusion?[/QUOTE] Personal experience of having my innocent uncle get fucked over by his associate and seeing the bastard laugh at him as he gets arrested
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109358]And letting this bastard live doesn't bother you? Im sorry but you're lying to yourself if you feel that revenge isnt a good closure[/QUOTE] Revenge isn't really good closure for me, no. Even if it were, the justice system isn't about closure, it's about justice.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109384]Personal experience of having my innocent uncle get fucked over by his associate and seeing the bastard laugh at him as he gets arrested[/QUOTE] personal anecdotes are well known for being the basis for sound and unbiased arguments, right?
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109384]Personal experience of having my innocent uncle get fucked over by his associate and seeing the bastard laugh at him as he gets arrested[/QUOTE] Yeah that sucks but how does that actually justify murdering this guy?
[QUOTE=geel9;51109390]Yeah that sucks but how does that actually justify murdering this guy?[/QUOTE] He ruined the lives of children, some victims feel that their only to get satisfactory conclusion is with his death. How does it feel to know that he can get away with something this disgusting and not have to face the dire consequences,what example does that make out of your justice system? Maybe many people respect justice which is humanitarian but much more will fear a justice system which is brutal, you know that its true.And in a country like the Philippines which is corrupt to the core, fear is the only way to weed it out, only then can a justice system which is more humanitarian can be implemented
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109432]He ruined the lives of children, some victims feel that their only to get satisfactory conclusion is with his death. How does it feel to know that he can get away with something this disgusting and not have to face the dire consequences,what example does that make out of your justice system? Maybe many people respect justice which is humanitarian but much more will fear a justice system which is brutal, you know that its true.And in a country like the Philippines which is corrupt to the core, fear is the only way to weed it out, only then can a justice system which is more humanitarian can be implemented[/QUOTE] Actually, [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/]capital punishment doesn't deter crime[/url] my friend. So without deterrence, we're just left with "he deserves to die." Which is a ridiculous argument; who are you to determine that? Who gave you the right to decide the lives of other human beings? Your ridiculous lust for revenge? Your bloodlust is scary.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109432]He ruined the lives of children, some victims feel that their only to get satisfactory conclusion is with his death. How does it feel to know that he can get away with something this disgusting and not have to face the dire consequences,what example does that make out of your justice system? Maybe many people respect justice which is humanitarian but much more will fear a justice system which is brutal, you know that its true.And in a country like the Philippines which is corrupt to the core, fear is the only way to weed it out, only then can a justice system which is more humanitarian can be implemented[/QUOTE] In this paragraph you've managed to both say that he deserves to die because the victims say so and that its okay if the government to rule by fear. amazing.
[QUOTE=geel9;51109452]Actually, [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/]capital punishment doesn't deter crime[/url] my friend. So without deterrence, we're just left with "he deserves to die." Which is a ridiculous argument; who are you to determine that? Who gave you the right to decide the lives of other human beings? Your ridiculous lust for revenge? Your bloodlust is scary.[/QUOTE] Your source itself says "These studies do not prove that capital punishment does not deter criminals." from their conclusions [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;51109471]In this paragraph you've managed to both say that he deserves to die because the victims say so and that its okay if the government to rule by fear. amazing.[/QUOTE] Do you have anything to fear from the government if you really believe you're a law abiding innocent citizen?
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109487]Your source itself says "These studies do not prove that capital punishment does not deter criminals." from their conclusions[/QUOTE] Fair enough -- there is no EVIDENCE that capital punishment deters crime. It's possible that it does, yes, but your claim that it does is baseless.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109487] Do you have anything to fear from the government if you really believe you're a law abiding innocent citizen?[/QUOTE] ... Yes???
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109500]... Yes???[/QUOTE] What do you have to fear?
[QUOTE=geel9;51109385]Revenge isn't really good closure for me, no. Even if it were, the justice system isn't about closure, it's about justice.[/QUOTE] Justice for his victims and their parents would be to execute this degenerate.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109509]What do you have to fear?[/QUOTE] A government that rules by fear needs to have a reason for the people to be afraid. This is not a hard concept to grasp. [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=karlosfandango;51109515]Justice for his victims and their parents would be to execute this degenerate.[/QUOTE] How would that be justice? It be the satiation of revenge, but what exactly would define that as justice?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109521]A government that rules by fear needs to have a reason for the people to be afraid.[/QUOTE] And what if that reason is to prevent as much crime as possible by implementing harsh laws that they wouldnt dare think of commiting a crime or associating itself with it? Thats what Duterte is doing, disciplining the people by scaring them with violent methods to get them in line.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109538]And what if that reason is to prevent as much crime as possible by implementing harsh laws that they wouldnt dare think of commiting a crime or associating itself with it? Thats what Duterte is doing, disciplining the people by scaring them with violent methods to get them in line.[/QUOTE] Again, I already showed you that there is [b]no evidence[/b] that capital punishment deters crime. There's no reason for you to think that it does.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109538]And what if that reason is to prevent as much crime as possible by implementing harsh laws that they wouldnt dare think of commiting a crime or associating itself with it? Thats what Duterte is doing, disciplining the people by scaring them with violent methods to get them in line.[/QUOTE] Harsh laws + ignoring due process = dictatorship yo. If you have to scare your population into behaving then you have some serious, serious issues with your government.
Should introduce him to the wonders of a Nettle agent.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;51109552]Should introduce him to the wonders of a Nettle agent.[/QUOTE] and here we have people advocating the usage of chemical fucking weapons on criminals
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109556]and here we have people advocating the usage of chemical fucking weapons on criminals[/QUOTE] But it's okay! It's okay to do horrible things to people because I SAID SO!
[QUOTE=geel9;51109558]But it's okay! It's okay to do horrible things to people because I SAID SO![/QUOTE]Oh no rather it's because he's beyond a horrible person.
[QUOTE=geel9;51109548]Again, I already showed you that there is [b]no evidence[/b] that capital punishment deters crime. There's no reason for you to think that it does.[/QUOTE] And Duterte is about to show us whether thats true or not, he has already done it in the city of Davao, let him try and prove that hardline policy can work on a country like the Philippines
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109556]and here we have people advocating the usage of chemical fucking weapons on criminals[/QUOTE] Just this guy specifically
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109521] How would that be justice? It be the satiation of revenge, but what exactly would define that as justice?[/QUOTE] Define Justice? How would it be revenge? It's subjective, but I would wager that the families would see justice and revenge as the same thing in their circumstance.
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109563]And Duterte is about to show us whether thats true or not, he has already done it in the city of Davao, let him try and prove that hardline policy can work on a country like the Philippines[/QUOTE] How about don't do something that time and time again has proven ineffective? You're costing numerous lives for nothing. It's fucking savage.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51109550]Harsh laws + ignoring due process = dictatorship yo. If you have to scare your population into behaving then you have some serious, serious issues with your government.[/QUOTE] Or maybe its the people that actually needs disciplining? [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=geel9;51109572]How about don't do something that time and time again has proven ineffective? You're costing numerous lives for nothing. It's fucking savage.[/QUOTE] Didn't you already said that there isnt any proof that hardline laws does not deter criminals?
[QUOTE=Tarver;51109573]Or maybe its the people that actually needs disciplining? [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] Didn't you already said that there isnt any proof that hardline laws does not deter criminals?[/QUOTE] No, there is no proof that they [b]do[/b] deter criminals. That is, [b]your claim that capital punishment deters criminals has no evidence backing it.[/b]
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