Australian child molester Peter Scully faces death penalty in Philippines
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[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51117675]Did you read what I said , millions of people face adversity therefore recognising that he is a product of the environment, this by no means admonishes him from blame.
Are you suggesting that if I don't feel empathy towards a child torturing, raping murderer that there is something wrong with me?[/QUOTE]
Because all adversity is the same, in the same circumstances, and therefore dealt with the same way. Are you actually suggesting he just spontaneously decided to be mr evil?
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I read what you said, is just ridiculous
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51117718]Because all adversity is the same, in the same circumstances, and therefore dealt with the same way. Are you actually suggesting he just spontaneously decided to be mr evil?
[editline]27th September 2016[/editline]
I read what you said, is just ridiculous[/QUOTE]
there is evidence that shows that some people are born in a way where they are unable to empathize with others, it would be both foolish and factually incorrect to think that we are only products of our environments.
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if that were the case, then you would have to apply it to all things. autism, homosexuality, gender dysmorphia, are all of these caused only by their environment, or is it something inherent in their being from birth? i would argue the latter
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51117612]You're childish if you honestly think he isn't a product of his environment. Also empathy shouldn't be conditional
[editline]27th September 2016[/editline]
Also, you calling me a"piece of work" is just further result of your over aggressive, hyper reactionary, 'us vs them' mind set[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, I hate it when I live next to a chemical dump site with my alcoholic father, it triggers my [highlight]TODDLER TORTURING AND DISMEMBERING[/highlight] impulses.
Yep, totally normal, please send sympathies.
This fucking thread.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51117743]there is evidence that shows that some people are born in a way where they are unable to empathize with others, it would be both foolish and factually incorrect to think that we are only products of our environments.
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if that were the case, then you would have to apply it to all things. autism, homosexuality, gender dysmorphia, are all of these caused only by their environment, or is it something inherent in their being from birth? i would argue the latter[/QUOTE]
Obviously part of the set of conditions that shape people are there genetics, but that doesn't change my point
[QUOTE=geel9;51117687]You don't have to feel empathy for someone to not agree with killing them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing about punishment here.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51117754]Ah yes, I hate it when I live next to a chemical dump site with my alcoholic father, it triggers my [highlight]TODDLER TORTURING AND DISMEMBERING[/highlight] impulses.
Yep, totally normal, please send sympathies.[/QUOTE]
Nice strawman
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51117718]Because all adversity is the same, in the same circumstances, and therefore dealt with the same way. Are you actually suggesting he just spontaneously decided to be mr evil?
[editline]27th September 2016[/editline]
I read what you said, is just ridiculous[/QUOTE]
No of course adversity is different, reacting to any amount of adversity by killing raping and torturing kids is not excusable to most normal humans, feeling sorry for this person really isn't normal.
Have you actually taken any time to think about what his victims went through before their lives were prematurely ended, then you say what I am ridiculous. Incredible.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51117808]Obviously part of the set of conditions that shape people are there genetics, but that doesn't change my point[/QUOTE]
what is your point, exactly? that he is not at fault because he is just the product of his environment and genetics?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51117341]And he made that choice for a reason. Maybe he should spend the rest of his life in prison, but he should be given the help he needs
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At what point does someone have to be held responsible for their actions? Mental disorder, child abuse, whatever, nothing excuses this in any way shape or form. I don't know what little safe space you speak from but at what point should a person be held to their actions?
The world is a fucked up place, human life is nowhere near the value those of us coddled in the west seem to place on it and we'd be better as a whole without creatures like this around.
Also, even though I agree that he should probably be executed:
Fucking stop accusing people of having no empathy/being monsters just because they disagree with your viewpoint. The people that think that he shouldn't be executed [I]DO NOT SUPPORT HIS CRIMES OR THINK LOWLY OF THEM.[/I] This is clear. They are arguing from their objective, logical (logical does not mean correct if the logic is flawed) standpoint. Stop making emotional ploys (I.E. "How can you not want him dead??? Do you not care about the children?") and argue your viewpoint without accusing people of being monsters. It's easy, and it's a very defensible point, but shutting down and refusing to back up your statement beyond "he's a monster and deserves death" and calling anyone not wanting him to face the death penalty a monster just makes your viewpoint seem weak, illogical, and incorrect.
There are logical reasons for why he should be executed beyond feelings. If we based laws on feelings, things would get messy quickly because feelings are subjective.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51117835]No of course adversity is different, reacting to any amount of adversity by killing raping and torturing kids is not excusable to most normal humans, feeling sorry for this person really isn't normal.
Have you actually taken any time to think about what his victims went through before their lives were prematurely ended, then you say what I am ridiculous. Incredible.[/QUOTE]
I've never said it's excusable, or that he should not be held responsible. Just that he should be given help
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[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51118064]ah the strawman exit.[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118068]What?[/QUOTE]
It's laziest argument in the world to accuse someone of being strawman
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118053]I've never said it's excusable, or that he should not be held responsible. Just that he should be given help[/QUOTE]
What kind of help are you talking about?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51118082]It's laziest argument in the world to accuse someone of being strawman[/QUOTE]
But... It was? He wasn't addressing my actual argument
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118053]I've never said it's excusable, or that he should not be held responsible. Just that he should be given help[/QUOTE]
What sort of help?
Psychiatry and therapy
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118102]But... It was? He wasn't addressing my actual argument[/QUOTE]
what exactly is your point?
that it's not his fault, the world is to blame and that we are all savages for not having unconditional empathy for a brutal child rapist killer?
good luck with getting people on board with that.
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[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118120]Psychiatry and therapy[/QUOTE]
or a time machine for going back and changing his past so he grows up nice
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118120]Psychiatry and therapy[/QUOTE]
You need to want to be helped for those things to work. And if something like that was on that guy's mind, he'd never have done what he did. There's a difference between an unintentional and spontaneous murder caused by anger issues and the lengths this guy went to to satisfy his fetishes. There's really nothing that can be done for him at this point other than punishment.
The fact is i won't be able to convince you simply because you see him as a lesser human, basically a comic book bad guy. It doesn't matter if he wants the help or not, the point is it should be available. He deserves to live for the same reason you and i do
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118158]The fact is i won't be able to convince you simply because you see him as a lesser human, basically a comic book bad guy. It doesn't matter if he wants the help or not, the point is it should be available. He deserves to live for the same reason you and i do[/QUOTE]
What would be those reasons?
Because he is a human?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118158]It doesn't matter if he wants the help or not, the point is it should be available.[/QUOTE]
It does matter if he wants the help or not, and it is available and has always been available to him even before his crimes.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118174]Because he is a human?[/QUOTE]
Empathy is not something you teach, this Scully is completely devoid of it and any other human emotion, he is beyond the point of help, he's human in body form only.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51118216]Empathy is not something you teach, this Scully is completely devoid of it and any other human emotion, he is beyond the point of help, he's human in body form only.[/QUOTE]
Nice psych eval
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[QUOTE=Antary;51118175]It does matter if he wants the help or not, and it is available and has always been available to him even before his crimes.[/QUOTE]
So?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118174]Because he is a human?[/QUOTE]
What makes a human deserving of anything?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51118227]Nice psych eval
[editline]27th September 2016[/editline]
So?[/QUOTE]
You're not saying anything anymore.
[QUOTE=Teratoma;51118245]What makes a human deserving of anything?[/QUOTE]
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