Autismal Parents Infect Their Kids With Measles to Stop Them from Getting Fake Autism From Vaccines - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HarryHy;47112082]No, being exposed to varicella (chickenpox) does not really help at all with getting the variola (smallpox) virus. They are caused by two completely different viruses; really the only thing that they are similar in is their giving of skin lesions.[/QUOTE] I think they are mixing up Cowpox with chicken pox. Cowpox actually confers resistance to smallpox and it was the basis of the first (19th century or so) smallpox vaccine.

[QUOTE=The Duke;47109068]What could possibly go wrong with intentionally giving your children a disease known to kill thousands of youth per year?[/QUOTE] Judging by the graph in two posts above you, at the toppest of 14 deaths 1915's per 100k, considering we have a 316.3 million population in US, that roughly accumulates to 225 deaths per year at the peak. And it's 100 years ago, the conditions and medicine overall is a lot better. If anything, during 1930's flu mortality rates were even higher, if you're curious about that.(USA as well) [img]http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/10/Flu-Mortality-1930-Present.jpg[/img] Correct me if I'm wrong, but barely goes into the thousands' figures as opposed to more probable event of influenza death. [b]The[/b] problem with measles is that in certain group age occurs a very high probability of [url=http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html]central nervous system shutdown[/url] (see Long-term complications) due to long-term effects of measles' complications. And that shit has 70% chance of occurence, which is why having measles deliberately is fucking stupid. You may get the immunity you want, but you're basically poisoning your child to die later from an even more horrible death.

Man you motherfuckers are seriously dumb do you retards even know how measles work? I would never get vaccined against it because of the way it works you're plain retarded if you think otherwise. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Cool Off/dumb/ban history/no more warnings" - dai))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;47109012]Exposing them to the disease so that they can build an immunity to it. So... like a vaccine?[/QUOTE] Yeah, totally, except with completely uncontrolled amounts of potentiality fatal live virus and no medical oversight.

[QUOTE=Rents;47112223]Yeah, totally, except with completely uncontrolled amounts of potentiality fatal live virus and no medical oversight.[/QUOTE] But its natural so it can't be bad!

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47111964]Michael Moore tweeted this the other day: In fact, remember how with the Ebola outbreak, it was exacerbated by people thinking the treatments were some kind of conspiracy? We're not all as different as we think.[/QUOTE] At least with Ebola they had foreigners in hazmat suits showing up and taking people away to camps where they died, that's got a lot more reason for getting worried than a couple of injections.

[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47112214]Man you motherfuckers are seriously dumb do you retards even know how measles work? I would never get vaccined against it because of the way it works you're plain retarded if you think otherwise.[/QUOTE] Please enlighten us with how vaccines work and why we are all wrong here.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47108971]If anything there'll be less dumb idiots in the world.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/652/918/68a.jpg[/IMG] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("image macro" - dai))[/highlight]

I'll say again, if people like them are linked to the spread of a disease or death because said disease because they didn't vaccinate their kid, they should be imprisoned.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47109310]There's this girl in our class who is anti-vax and her argument was "I haven't had any vaccinations and [I]I'm[/I] fine!" (Her exact words) Teacher just looked at her and changed the subject.[/QUOTE] If I were the teacher I would have used this opportunity to explain how herd immunity works, driving home the point that she is only "fine" because all her classmates aren't being raised by morons. That'll learn her.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47108967]Thank god everyone I know has them[/QUOTE] Thank god everyone I know has already had autism from the get go.

[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47112214]Man you motherfuckers are seriously dumb do you retards even know how measles work? I would never get vaccined against it because of the way it works you're plain retarded if you think otherwise.[/QUOTE] You make me want to vaccinate my whole family.

[QUOTE=Fort83;47110162]People that do this or support this aren't fit to be parents.[/QUOTE] They are basically your average soccer moms or Ultra-Zealous Southern Baptist moms. [editline]10th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47112214]Man you motherfuckers are seriously dumb do you retards even know how measles work? I would never get vaccined against it because of the way it works you're plain retarded if you think otherwise.[/QUOTE] Kill yourself. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Still flaming - next is a month ban" - OvB))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47113447] Kill yourself.[/QUOTE] Hey hey hey, no need for such language here. If we are lucky nature will do it for him.

If you fear your kid could get autism from tried and true vaccines, it implies you wouldn't love, or take care of, or want to take care of, your dear child anymore regardless of them, for the sake of argument, becoming autistic. That's heartless if I've ever seen it. They fuck everybody over with their ignorance of evidence that is against their arguments using researched facts. It's fascinating how irrational a human mind can be.

This has to be one of the most breathtakingly stupid things I've ever read. These people are fucking delusional about how awful Measels is.

People aren't holding measles parties (yet). [url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/measlesparties.asp[/url] [url]http://www.myfoxny.com/story/28066309/no-proof-that-bay-area-parents-held-rumored-measles-parties[/url]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47112181] Correct me if I'm wrong, but barely goes into the thousands' figures as opposed to more probable event of influenza death. [/QUOTE] There are multiple sources for the mortality figures, but here is one: [quote] Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available. In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour. Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide. In 2013, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000. During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health. Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year. [b]The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.[/b] [url]http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47112214]Man you motherfuckers are seriously dumb do you retards even know how measles work? I would never get vaccined against it because of the way it works you're plain retarded if you think otherwise. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Cool Off/dumb/ban history/no more warnings" - dai))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I would almost think its fine for you to not get vaccinated, because I don't really have a problem with morons like you dying from their own stupidity, but my problem is that by avoiding vaccinations, you put other people at risk. You can spread disease and get other people killed. Its not about what you freaking feel. Its science.

[QUOTE=The Duke;47114166]There are multiple sources for the mortality figures, but here is one:[/QUOTE] I did note that it was in the US, not globally. Here is 2012 globally: [quote]The CDC-led team, which included researchers from several other countries, based its estimates on H1N1 case data from 12 countries and case-fatality ratios (CFRs) reported from five countries. Their report was published online yesterday in the Lancet Infectious Diseases. The researchers estimate that the pandemic virus caused 201,200 respiratory deaths and another 83,300 deaths from cardiovascular disease associated with H1N1 infections. They also calculate that Africa and Southeast Asia, which have 38% of the world's population, accounted for a disproportionate 51% of the deaths. [url]http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=The Duke;47114166]There are multiple sources for the mortality figures, but here is one:[/QUOTE] That's a-lot of deaths for a preventable disease.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47108979]TAKE. THE. FUCKING. KIDS. AWAY. If you have to pass something through the courts to allow it to happen faster, do it. If it drives these people into compounds like the Branch Davidians, good. At least then they'll look as crazy as they really are.[/QUOTE] remind me of that Louis C.K. routine about how you should have to "pass an exam or something" to conceive. this is probably the only situation in which that'd be alright.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47108979]TAKE. THE. FUCKING. KIDS. AWAY. If you have to pass something through the courts to allow it to happen faster, do it. If it drives these people into compounds like the Branch Davidians, good. At least then they'll look as crazy as they really are.[/QUOTE] Take the kids away and throw the parents in prison, isn't intentionally infecting your children child abuse or something?

This has reached a new level of stupidity never seen before. These parents need to have their children taken away from them so they may be put in better care. Also states wtf are you doing, make vaccines mandatory already.

What can I legally infect my children with? The answer should be nothing outside of my weird and sense of humor.

Man, the more I see articles like this and watch/read debates on it, the more I can't help but feel as though the WHOLE thing is blown out of proportion. Not just the Vaccine-deniers but the supporters as well. People are acting like there's a rampant disease like Ebola that has begun ravaging the Planet. Oh wait, did we forget about that one already? Measles are HARDLY anything to worry about. There are two perfect graphs, both of which were posted on the first page that can be broken down to rationally quell everyone's fears.. [quote]GRAPH 1 [thumb]http://wpmedia.business.financialpost.com/2014/04/fp0416_measle_rates_us_b_ab1.jpg?w=620[/thumb] GRAPH 2 [thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Measles_US_1944-2007_inset.png[/thumb][/quote] The first one got some flak because it represents deaths-by-Measles and not cases of Infections 1900-1965. The Second depicts Infection cases 1944-2004. From these two graphs we can satisfy both sides; GRAPH 1 shows that since roughly 1917 there has been a steady decline in the average of deaths caused by Measles, some ~50 years before the vaccine. Especially after about 1925-1935 where we see cases drop below the 2/100k and onward into past the 1950's where it gets well below 1/100k. This would indicate that sterilization, tool advancements, disease understanding, and patient care are LARGELY responsible for the decline in patient mortality rates; rather than vaccination. GRAPH 2 helps us understand, easily, that after the 1963 licensing of the Measles Vaccine that cases have dropped to nearly 0. Meaning that infection is rare or almost non-existent in a Country-sized community example. Death-rate for those infected with measles hovers at about the 0.2% marker [[url=http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html]source[/url]] and a vast majority of the cases that involve death are by children under the age of 5 and elderly who are ill or have compromised immune systems. Malnutrition and AIDs obviously can play a role. Not to mention Death by Measles in the 20's was brought on by Measles Pneumonia, not necessarily the virus itself. And anyone who thinks getting a Measles vaccine spares them 100% from getting it or coming in contact with it just doesn't understand how Vaccines work. So rest easy. If you don't like vaccines, you and/or your child will likely survive with good care from modern healthcare. But if you believe vaccines are the end-all be-all for mankind's well-being, then start off the new Generation and get poked. Even if a few kids haven't been vaccinated, your kid would be- and if they're not yet, they'll probably be okay. I'd play 0.2% odds any day. You put more on the line just stepping foot out the door. [b]Edit:[/b] Yeah. gimme those dumbs, because you didn't take the time to read and think about it. Give 'em 'ere. I need it to box up all this Sensationalism.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47120075]What can I legally infect my children with? The answer should be nothing outside of my weird and sense of humor.[/QUOTE] Parent of the year right here.

[QUOTE=Keys;47121036] Not to mention Death by Measles in the 20's was brought on by Measles Pneumonia, not necessarily the virus itself.[/QUOTE] Measles pneumonia being caused by something other than measles? Eh?

[QUOTE=Keys;47121036]People are acting like there's a rampant disease like Ebola that has begun ravaging the Planet. Oh wait, did we forget about that one already? Measles are HARDLY anything to worry about.[/QUOTE] It was once very rampant. Measles has been rendered to near extinction in the developed world, [B]because[/B] of vaccinations. [QUOTE=Keys;47121036]And anyone who thinks getting a Measles vaccine spares them 100% from getting it or coming in contact with it just doesn't understand how Vaccines work.[/QUOTE] And you don't understand either. The point of vaccination is to increase your immunity to a disease. No vaccine works 100%, but it is the best option available for reducing these nearly-preventable diseases. Avoiding getting a vaccine because the odds aren't high enough for you is just as stupid as driving without a seatbelt/airbags/etc -- using automotive safety measures won't 100% prevent yourself from dying in an accident, so fuck that noise, why even use seat belts, they're just uncomfortable. [QUOTE=Keys;47121036]So rest easy. If you don't like vaccines, you and/or your child will likely survive with good care from modern healthcare. But if you believe vaccines are the end-all be-all for mankind's well-being, then start off the new Generation and get poked. Even if a few kids haven't been vaccinated, your kid would be- and if they're not yet, they'll probably be okay. I'd play 0.2% odds any day. You put more on the line just stepping foot out the door.[/QUOTE] There is no cure for measles, other than the preventive measures (vaccination) and treatment for its numerous symptoms. One fun example, measles causes SSPE/Dawson disease in about 0.1% of patients, but that's totally an okay risk to take. It doesn't kill them instantly in most cases, they just get brain damage and die, as it's a latent infection from measles. But hey, it's cool because they were malnourished or something something? Do you think people should stop giving the polio vaccine because polio gives paralyzation in [i]only!![/i] 0.5% of the people it infects? Polio causes no symptoms in over 90% of cases! The poliovirus has also been nearly eradicated from the developed world (hint: just like measles). Obviously there is no point in trying to reduce the risk of a virus returning in popularity, as long as said virus is not very likely to seriously harm me. [QUOTE=Keys;47121036][b]Edit:[/b] Yeah. gimme those dumbs, because you didn't take the time to read and think about it. Give 'em 'ere. I need it to box up all this Sensationalism.[/QUOTE] Maybe [I]you[/I] should think more about it. Your selfish and ignorant thought-process makes me angry, and harms everyone. Your only basis of your post is saying "these numbers aren't scary enough for me, so I think people should avoid taking preventive steps". How high of a prevalence do you need a disease to be before you consider taking a very simple step to protect yourself and others from it? How many preventable deaths must happen before you open your eyes?

[QUOTE=Keys;47121036]Man, the more I see articles like this and watch/read debates on it, the more I can't help but feel as though the WHOLE thing is blown out of proportion. Not just the Vaccine-deniers but the supporters as well. People are acting like there's a rampant disease like Ebola that has begun ravaging the Planet. Oh wait, did we forget about that one already? Measles are HARDLY anything to worry about. There are two perfect graphs, both of which were posted on the first page that can be broken down to rationally quell everyone's fears.. The first one got some flak because it represents deaths-by-Measles and not cases of Infections 1900-1965. The Second depicts Infection cases 1944-2004. From these two graphs we can satisfy both sides; GRAPH 1 shows that since roughly 1917 there has been a steady decline in the average of deaths caused by Measles, some ~50 years before the vaccine. Especially after about 1925-1935 where we see cases drop below the 2/100k and onward into past the 1950's where it gets well below 1/100k. This would indicate that sterilization, tool advancements, disease understanding, and patient care are LARGELY responsible for the decline in patient mortality rates; rather than vaccination. GRAPH 2 helps us understand, easily, that after the 1963 licensing of the Measles Vaccine that cases have dropped to nearly 0. Meaning that infection is rare or almost non-existent in a Country-sized community example. Death-rate for those infected with measles hovers at about the 0.2% marker [[url=http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html]source[/url]] and a vast majority of the cases that involve death are by children under the age of 5 and elderly who are ill or have compromised immune systems. Malnutrition and AIDs obviously can play a role. Not to mention Death by Measles in the 20's was brought on by Measles Pneumonia, not necessarily the virus itself. And anyone who thinks getting a Measles vaccine spares them 100% from getting it or coming in contact with it just doesn't understand how Vaccines work. So rest easy. If you don't like vaccines, you and/or your child will likely survive with good care from modern healthcare. But if you believe vaccines are the end-all be-all for mankind's well-being, then start off the new Generation and get poked. Even if a few kids haven't been vaccinated, your kid would be- and if they're not yet, they'll probably be okay. I'd play 0.2% odds any day. You put more on the line just stepping foot out the door. [b]Edit:[/b] Yeah. gimme those dumbs, because you didn't take the time to read and think about it. Give 'em 'ere. I need it to box up all this Sensationalism.[/QUOTE] Pick those cherries matey. Oh yeah also you're a huge retard, the vaccines aren't just for the people who get it, it's for the people with weakened immune systems or those more vulnerable like the old, young and infirm you colossal chuckle fuck. Not only that, but you use the metric of fatalities to show that it really wasn't that bad whilst simultaneously forgetting that the minor drop in fatalities was likely due to improved treatments within hospitals.