Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - German Chancellor Angela Merkel has - Polidicks

dark days ahead for Europe.

I was curious why the media aren't showing any images about the chaos in Cologne. So I decided to look it up myself. [video=youtube;4F7MVGtT9VA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F7MVGtT9VA[/video] The city centre appeared to be a chaos-zone, but not everyone in the crowd was a rapist. Most are watching, drinking or launching ( illigal ) fireworks. Also not everybody in the crowd is of Arab descent, the vast majority is, but I also see ethnic germans launching fireworks into the crowd. This doesn't mean there wasn't any mass rape going on, but I suspect these were smaller mobs taking advantage of the chaos. The real question is why the government didn't bring in the riot-police to swipe the city centre.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;49468130]I read that part and it's definitely nothing like what you mean. More like hey guys while the police do their work we'll give out advisories to women who are clearly the subjects of the threat. What is so wrong with advisories? Would you rather say hey girls go out and have fun while the big bad men roam about? They are not forcing the girls to follow the advisories. These are for their own safety. It is also the government's duty to [B]warn[/B] citizens of possible threats to them. They are blaming no one. The "explanation to other cultures" deal is an [B]additional measure[/B]. It means they're doing all that they can so they're just putting this on top. It's not all that they're doing.[/QUOTE] But every time the situation hasn't involved a refugee, "advising" women to dress more conservatively and not go out so late has been undeniable victim blaming all around, and in fact has become the most stereotypical, textbook example of it lately The only difference this time is that refugees are involved

It doesn't matter if the victims were under the influence or what they were wearing; The number one cause of rape is Rapists. Nothing more and nothing less.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;49468883]But every time the situation hasn't involved a refugee, "advising" women to dress more conservatively and not go out so late has been undeniable victim blaming all around, and in fact has become the most stereotypical, textbook example of it lately The only difference this time is that refugees are involved[/QUOTE] The advice is coincidentally what the backwards muslim reactionaries want, such as dressing differently and having a man present. Liberals are literally introducing the erosion of liberal values, because we're good little tolerant democrats. It's mind boggling

[QUOTE=Bazsil;49468883]But every time the situation hasn't involved a refugee, "advising" women to dress more conservatively and not go out so late has been undeniable victim blaming all around, and in fact has become the most stereotypical, textbook example of it lately The only difference this time is that refugees are involved[/QUOTE] Not really. When there's a murderer on the loose in your town they tell you to be more careful until he's caught. When there's a rapist on a college campus they tell you to be more careful until they're caught. When there's rapists still in the wind in Cologne they tell you to be more careful until they're caught. It's not a gender or victim thing. It's a bad people are out there, we're aware, keep on the lookout.

It's sad that politcal correctness joined the club of "modern fads" rather than remaining a simple rational thinking. It seems that any promethean effort toward more adequate social agenda only leads to ineventable exploit. I think we need universal rules of balance, soo that "tolerance" won't become forced "indiffirence" toward cause among other cases.

So...remove kebab?

[QUOTE=Bazsil;49468883]But every time the situation hasn't involved a refugee, "advising" women to dress more conservatively and not go out so late has been undeniable victim blaming all around, and in fact has become the most stereotypical, textbook example of it lately The only difference this time is that refugees are involved[/QUOTE] I don't see how tbh, since the women and their way of dressing aren't being blamed for what's going on. The blame is solely on the perpetrators and the government simply put out an advisory for women to basically be more cautious all around, especially during this period. When you tell someone to take precautions, you are not implying at all that any trouble that should befall him, should he not follow the precautions, will be his fault. You are merely pointing out measures that can be taken to possibly prevent mishaps. If you followed them and turned out okay, great! If you didn't then that sucks. If you didn't follow them and turned out okay, great! If you didn't then that sucks. The thing is they're just preemptive actions that people can take for their own safety. In this case, the government put out an advisory for women, considering the current situation. Like hey women are being sexually harassed and raped here and there so you women going out might want to take these things into consideration for your own safety. Of course, it would mean something different if all the government is providing the women are advisories, but in this case, the government is actively pursuing the perpetrators and taking measures to mitigate the current threat. There is no harm in an extra advisory that clearly does not blame women for what is happening to them. If a woman went out late at night alone, and then got raped, and then got blamed for going out alone late at night, then that IS victim blaming. However, if the government puts out an advisory for women not to go out alone late at night because there's a higher risk percentage with those conditions statistically, then the woman goes out alone late at night, gets raped, and the blame still completely goes to the perpetrator, then that IS NOT victim blaming.

I don't see how anyone is victim blaming here, what gets me is how Reker thinks it's improper to link this to the huge influx of refugees and then goes on to say that educating people from other cultures will somehow help to fight rape. Not only are the statements contradictory but I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know that it's wrong to sexually harass or rape people. The people who are doing it will do it anyway because they simply don't care.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;49467549]It's a [b]SUGGESTED[/b] code of conduct and they are not blaming the women. They are telling the women to be MORE CAREFUL because there are dangerous people wandering about. The police are obviously doing their best to find the perpetrators and have already detained some people. Obviously some temporary measures and advisories will be put in place because you can't just solve a problem INSTANTLY. What the flying fuck is wrong with you guys? Suggesting that women be more careful in the face of danger is victim blaming? The fuck? Kneejerk reactions just make everything worse. I'm all for women being able to have fun as they want and do as they please, just like men. But THE REALITY IS that there are groups going about sexually harassing women. While these people are running free, it's expected that women who are obviously their targets be more cautious.[/QUOTE] In sexual assault threads for the past 2-4 years, it's been a very, very dumbable offense on facepunch to say "It's their fault for not being careful", NO MATTER THE CONTEXT. Now we have the government coming out and saying what people on Facepunch were typically dumbed to hell for.

And I should add, it was and has been the progressive perogative to have people stop saying things like "You should be careful" because as MANY FUCKING PEOPLE HERE have said before, "You should be careful" is a form of victim blaming. Even if I don't think that, I've been told that vehemently by posters on this website, and on others. I'm getting some mixed fucking messages from progressives these days

Pretty soon it won't even matter if a refugee is just trying to be build a descent life for himself, people are just going to hate them. It's a shame, really. Social stigmas, once formed, are really hard to vanish.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49469330]Because if the government came out and said anything else they'd have to admit that they fucked up.[/QUOTE] But since when do progressives argue that sexual assault be minimized so we don't have to deal with cultural differences

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49469306]In sexual assault threads for the past 2-4 years, it's been a very, very dumbable offense on facepunch to say "It's their fault for not being careful", NO MATTER THE CONTEXT. Now we have the government coming out and saying what people on Facepunch were typically dumbed to hell for.[/QUOTE] In my experience most of those dumbed posts are as little victim blaming as this is. They are not saying "It's their fault for not being careful" they are simply saying "be careful".

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49469338]And I should add, it was and has been the progressive perogative to have people stop saying things like "You should be careful" because as MANY FUCKING PEOPLE HERE have said before, "You should be careful" is a form of victim blaming. Even if I don't think that, I've been told that vehemently by posters on this website, and on others. I'm getting some mixed fucking messages from progressives these days[/QUOTE] I agree with you there.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;49467584]Well now they do. Straying away from those groups and having company would be better for them, don't you think? Not at all their fault that they get sexually harassed but now that there have been mass cases of this, it would be a better to be careful until things cool down.[/QUOTE] How about not introducing people who think women are basicaly sex slaves into one's society instead? I mean... Holy fucking what. Who the hell asked to have a completely fucked up way of thinking roaming the streets at night?

[QUOTE=maeZtro;49469348]In my experience most of those dumbed posts are as little victim blaming as this is. They are not saying "It's their fault for not being careful" they are simply saying "be careful".[/QUOTE] Yeah, and I largely agree, that isn't really victim blaming, but progressive voices spent a lot of time on this site arguing saying so much as "Be careful, don't drink with strangers" was full on victim blaming.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;49468351]As far as I've read the news articles posted so far, no-one's actually doing that though. The major of Cologne [I]maybe[/I] but it's mostly really a stretch and the sentence the The Independent cites I consider most in this direction really could be interpreted either way. I'd have to see the German original and especially the context, but it's not linked from the article.[/QUOTE] that makes me feel better, what got me wound up was that the way the article was written it sounded like the [i]official[/i] response was less "we will not tolerate this and we will hunt these people down" and more hastily downplaying a large, organized attack by arabs/africans to avoid impugning ~multiculturalism~ like, simply telling people to be careful out there is one thing, but it seemed like they were saying that to avoid the subject of who did the attacks and why if it's just that one official and everyone else is handling it better than that then that's good

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49469425]Yeah, and I largely agree, that isn't really victim blaming, but progressive voices spent a lot of time on this site arguing saying so much as "Be careful, don't drink with strangers" was full on victim blaming.[/QUOTE] tbh a lot of what I remember seeing was always people calling out those who said shit like "shouldn't have been wearing that" or "shouldn't have been drinking at all then bitch" or "your fault for going to that part of town". I'm fairly sure everyone agreed that having your shit together enough to be on the look out for unpleasant individuals wasn't a bad thing. Not a great thing to need to be doing, but it's just a thing everyone should be doing in public anyway to avoid as much misery as possible. Which seems to be what these suggestions are, "hey just be a bit more vigilant for a bit, we're trying to find these guys".

[video=youtube;W9TOdMzOH1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TOdMzOH1U[/video] [video=youtube;Oe_69mhjjmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe_69mhjjmU[/video]

I just don't get what "behaving carefully" has to do with this incident. It's not like the women were in a ghetto, they were just standing in the central city center looking at fireworks, many had their family and friends with them. And then the government gives Do's and Dont's for women in public. That kind of gives the impression of victim shaming, if intended or not.

This shows, they don't belong in the civilized world. [QUOTE=Hyperbole;49467409]Expect to see a whole lot more of this in 2016, especially when the spring/summer hit and women start going outside more and in less clothing (Obviously). There's going to be an epidemic of rapes and sexual attacks, and anyone with a brain would've known it was coming.[/QUOTE] Sweden is said to be a example of this, statistics in studies done having shown alarming signs. Many studies done by Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention shows and supports this is the case.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49469338]And I should add, it was and has been the progressive perogative to have people stop saying things like "You should be careful" because as MANY FUCKING PEOPLE HERE have said before, "You should be careful" is a form of victim blaming. Even if I don't think that, I've been told that vehemently by posters on this website, and on others. I'm getting some mixed fucking messages from progressives these days[/QUOTE] Because the intersection of racism (Islam [B]is[/B] a race in the eyes of a regressive leftist) and feminism has no clear answer. Anyone remember a while ago when FEMEN stormed the stage at a Muslim conference when they were discussing how much you can beat your wife? The reaction to that episode was hilarious. Such an obvious case of real misogyny was ignored and even excused by progressives who didn't seem to understand the scenario at all. Imagine if the same thing happened at a white Christian conference discussing wife beating (white is important here). Ever notice how black evangelical pastors can get away with outrageously homophobic and sexist remarks and sermons? Black baptist churches are some of the most backwards in the United States, but I can seriously not recall a single instance of a black pastor being criticized for any remarks. The progressive "punching down" narrative does not encompass "punching down" within the minority communities themselves. It's what Maajid Nawaz calls "the minorities within the minorities." The gays, women, freethinkers, etc. within Muslim communities are left out to dry. This is because the whole body of progressive rhetoric is geared towards attacking perceived white instances of imperialism, racism, sexism, homophobia, fill in the blank. It has nothing to say about non-white instances of any of this. In fact, excuses will be made more often than not.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49469648]Because the intersection of racism (Islam [B]is[/B] a race in the eyes of a regressive leftist) and feminism has no clear answer. Anyone remember a while ago when FEMEN stormed the stage at a Muslim conference when they were discussing how much you can beat your wife? The reaction to that episode was hilarious. Such an obvious case of real misogyny was ignored and even excused by progressives who didn't seem to understand the scenario at all. Imagine if the same thing happened at a white Christian conference discussing wife beating (white is important here). Ever notice how black evangelical pastors can get away with outrageously homophobic and sexist remarks and sermons? Black baptist churches are some of the most backwards in the United States, but I can seriously not recall a single instance of a black pastor being criticized for any remarks. The progressive "punching down" narrative does not encompass "punching down" within the minority communities themselves. It's what Maajid Nawaz calls "the minorities within the minorities." The gays, women, freethinkers, etc. within Muslim communities are left out to dry. This is because the whole body of progressive rhetoric is geared towards attacking perceived white instances of imperialism, racism, sexism, homophobia, fill in the blank. It has nothing to say about non-white instances of any of this. In fact, excuses will be made more often than not.[/QUOTE] Pretty much all of this is baseless projection and not helpful. 1. The driving force behind 'pc' and mass migration isn't progressivism, it's neoliberalism and globalization. Get this through your head. The rest is just claptrap meant to justify a system already in place, and it exists for reasons the left despises and tried to overthrow. 2. Nobody sees islam as a race. They do see white europeans as a race, as they do themselves. It's the elephant in the room. 3. No leftist excuses backwards attitudes among non-whites. The modern black panthers are repudiated and everyone rejects black chauvinists like the nation of Islam. Chicano nationalists are not trusted. Islam and Judaism as considered conservative abrahamic religions that need to be reformed or abolished. Non-western leftist parties are almost entirely unsupported because they're typically very conservative, only allies of the USSR because their nationalism/conservatism is illiberal and anti-Western. Even MLK is criticized for his movement being rather sexist. We must live in two different realities since there really isn't a part of humanity not criticized from a progressive POV, and you're apparently insisting on some anti-white dissonance. 4. Re: punching down, minorities within minorities, and how this is supposed to undermine left wing cultural critique. I guess I need to remind you that they identified something called the black woman a long time ago.

I feel really bad for people living in Europe right now, you have politicians that are afraid of saying the truth. Well you know what to do, get rid of the politicians that are hurting your people.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49469815]I feel really bad for people living in Europe right now, you have politicians that are afraid of saying the truth. Well you know what to do, get rid of the politicians that are hurting your people.[/QUOTE] The issue is, too often the politicians who say that they will stop the people being hurt are just wanting to hurt [I]other[/I] people (and normally end up hurting the same people anyway).

I hate responding like this but you made your post a numbered list so I have no choice. [QUOTE=Conscript;49469804]1. The driving force behind 'pc' and mass migration isn't progressivism, it's neoliberalism and globalization. Get this through your head. The rest is just claptrap meant to justify a system already in place, and it exists for reasons the left despises and tried to overthrow.[/QUOTE] Not sure where the gulf is between progressivism and globalization. [quote]2. Nobody sees islam as a race. They do see white europeans as a race, as they do themselves. It's the elephant in the room.[/quote] Nobody will ever say "Islam is a race." That's simply because Islam is a culture that's not tied to a specific race like most other cultures. It hits all the qualifiers of any other race. That's why people keep saying that it's been "racialized." Therefore you're a racist if you attack Islam even if it's not a race because it's a race that we'll all just call something else. It's a word game, just smoke. Islam is a culture, it's imperialist and racist to criticize other cultures, stop criticizing Islam, you racist. Obviously white Europeans are seen as a race. I must have missed something here. [quote]3. No leftist excuses backwards attitudes among non-whites. The modern black panthers are repudiated and everyone rejects black chauvinists like the nation of Islam. Chicano nationalists are not trusted. Islam and Judaism as considered conservative abrahamic religions that need to be reformed or abolished. Non-western leftist parties are almost entirely unsupported because they're typically very conservative, only allies of the USSR because their nationalism/conservatism is illiberal and anti-Western. Even MLK is criticized for his movement being rather sexist. We must live in two different realities since there really isn't a part of humanity not criticized from a progressive POV, and you're apparently insisting on some anti-white dissonance.[/quote] You're combining two different issues here. One is the backwards attitudes among non-whites and the other is various specific leftist groups and movements. The latter is almost universally dismissed like you said. But broader conservative attitudes in non-white cultures are absolutely ignored or accepted and excused on a constant basis. "Who are we to judge?" It's called cultural relativism, which I'm sure you've heard of. I'm not sure if it's correct to place progressivism in the "leftist" box and just move on. It's a pretty wide category. When I think of progressivism I find it basically congruent with College Democrats. You probably have a much more academic definition. [quote]4. Re: punching down, minorities within minorities, and how this is supposed to undermine left wing cultural critique. I guess I need to remind you that they identified something called the black woman a long time ago.[/quote] Not sure what this is. The "black woman" trope exists, therefore there's no problem? Once again, I'm not talking about the "left wing" broadly here.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49469648]Because the intersection of racism (Islam [B]is[/B] a race in the eyes of a regressive leftist) and feminism has no clear answer. Anyone remember a while ago when FEMEN stormed the stage at a Muslim conference when they were discussing how much you can beat your wife? The reaction to that episode was hilarious. Such an obvious case of real misogyny was ignored and even excused by progressives...[/QUOTE] Its tragic that when confronted with a real rape culture they don't do anything. [QUOTE=!LORD M!;49469642]This shows, they don't belong in the civilized world. Sweden is said to be a example of this, statistics in studies done having shown alarming signs. Many studies done by Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention shows and supports this is the case.[/QUOTE] Sweden embodies everything wrong with left wing politics. [video=youtube;3KSJY0c8QWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/video]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49470279] Sweden embodies everything wrong with left wing politics. [video=youtube;3KSJY0c8QWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/video][/QUOTE] I know. All too well...