Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - German Chancellor Angela Merkel has - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tools;49466589]I swear to fuck the white western world are becoming so elitist that we blame ourselves for other's mistakes cause "they're not as good as us, it's our fault for not teaching them" Can we please go back to the stone age, where a man was a man and colour was something your eyes could see? This is stupid.[/QUOTE] It's always our fault, not the shitty culture they perpetuate, its always the wests fault, china has an issue? Western imperialism, Arab states quarreling amungst themselves? Western culture infecting the youth, shitty dictators in Africa? Western colonialism prevented these people from ever having a legitimate government The west has done a lot to save the world but everyone just scapegoats us instead of blaming their shitty situatuon

[QUOTE=Luni;49469432]that makes me feel better, what got me wound up was that the way the article was written it sounded like the [i]official[/i] response was less "we will not tolerate this and we will hunt these people down" and more hastily downplaying a large, organized attack by arabs/africans to avoid impugning ~multiculturalism~ like, simply telling people to be careful out there is one thing, but it seemed like they were saying that to avoid the subject of who did the attacks and why if it's just that one official and everyone else is handling it better than that then that's good[/QUOTE] There are unfortunately quite a few parties (in Germany and also internationally) that have an interest in co-opting the event for either political or financial gain, which is why you get people who completely disregard countries and conflicts of origin to have people judged with broad strokes and/or leave out the other measures being taken, respectively. All of the topics involved of course have to be talked about to find a sensible solution for preventing this in the future, but since there's currently hardly any information available I don't think it's possible to do that (publicly) yet. (A second woman came forward about being raped today.) In the meantime the police is increasing their presence and working on handling the current cases, which is I think all that can be done without more info by the executive branch. The legislative is pretty visibly spinning up too, but they need more than a few days to implement more specific countermeasures due to democratic inertia. The upside is that they should be able to tackle it closer to the roots. (That advisory change is also a temporary measure that can be taken quickly, but I don't know into which of those two government branches it belongs. In my eyes it's a good thing, but the line is rather blurry depending on how it's taken and presented.) [QUOTE=hexpunK;49469472]tbh a lot of what I remember seeing was always people calling out those who said shit like "shouldn't have been wearing that" or "shouldn't have been drinking at all then bitch" or "your fault for going to that part of town". I'm fairly sure everyone agreed that having your shit together enough to be on the look out for unpleasant individuals wasn't a bad thing. Not a great thing to need to be doing, but it's just a thing everyone should be doing in public anyway to avoid as much misery as possible. Which seems to be what these suggestions are, "hey just be a bit more vigilant for a bit, we're trying to find these guys".[/QUOTE] A few went slightly further, but the line really is extremely blurry. Other issues aside, I probably wouldn't put "pay attention to how your girlfriend behaves" in this context into an advisory for men for example, but in one for women it's benign considering it's just an additional cautionary measure. In a general context I'd probably attach the reasoning to it so it's clearly a statistical observation (that's also otherwise being worked on, but that [I]should[/I] be common knowledge for most modern societies). "Stay together as group" is something I consider to hardly ever be inappropriate if there's elevated risk of some kind. [QUOTE=Enforcer99;49469598]I just don't get what "behaving carefully" has to do with this incident. It's not like the women were in a ghetto, they were just standing in the central city center looking at fireworks, many had their family and friends with them. And then the government gives Do's and Dont's for women in public. That kind of gives the impression of victim shaming, if intended or not.[/QUOTE] It doesn't directly, but it has to do with potential future ones which is why it was released. I don't know the specifics of the announcement, but I think when reading them in context in the more general advisory most people should interpret it correctly. The potential for wrong impressions here is a probably unavoidable side effect of a correct thing to do in this case, which hopefully won't stop anyone as long as there's likely a net benefit. [QUOTE=Conscript;49469804][QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49469648]Because the intersection of racism (Islam [B]is[/B] a race in the eyes of a regressive leftist) and feminism has no clear answer. Anyone remember a while ago when FEMEN stormed the stage at a Muslim conference when they were discussing how much you can beat your wife? The reaction to that episode was hilarious. Such an obvious case of real misogyny was ignored and even excused by progressives who didn't seem to understand the scenario at all. Imagine if the same thing happened at a white Christian conference discussing wife beating (white is important here). Ever notice how black evangelical pastors can get away with outrageously homophobic and sexist remarks and sermons? Black baptist churches are some of the most backwards in the United States, but I can seriously not recall a single instance of a black pastor being criticized for any remarks. The progressive "punching down" narrative does not encompass "punching down" within the minority communities themselves. It's what Maajid Nawaz calls "the minorities within the minorities." The gays, women, freethinkers, etc. within Muslim communities are left out to dry. This is because the whole body of progressive rhetoric is geared towards attacking perceived white instances of imperialism, racism, sexism, homophobia, fill in the blank. It has nothing to say about non-white instances of any of this. In fact, excuses will be made more often than not.[/QUOTE] Pretty much all of this is baseless projection and not helpful. 1. The driving force behind 'pc' and mass migration isn't progressivism, it's neoliberalism and globalization. Get this through your head. The rest is just claptrap meant to justify a system already in place, and it exists for reasons the left despises and tried to overthrow. 2. Nobody sees islam as a race. They do see white europeans as a race, as they do themselves. It's the elephant in the room. 3. No leftist excuses backwards attitudes among non-whites. The modern black panthers are repudiated and everyone rejects black chauvinists like the nation of Islam. Chicano nationalists are not trusted. Islam and Judaism as considered conservative abrahamic religions that need to be reformed or abolished. Non-western leftist parties are almost entirely unsupported because they're typically very conservative, only allies of the USSR because their nationalism/conservatism is illiberal and anti-Western. Even MLK is criticized for his movement being rather sexist. We must live in two different realities since there really isn't a part of humanity not criticized from a progressive POV, and you're apparently insisting on some anti-white dissonance. 4. Re: punching down, minorities within minorities, and how this is supposed to undermine left wing cultural critique. I guess I need to remind you that they identified something called the black woman a long time ago.[/QUOTE] The issue is definitely more complex and subtle than either of you thinks. I have no idea by how much exactly, but I think this essay by David Auerbach (which I highly recommend to anyone interested in politics) gives a reasonable lower margin: [URL="http://theamericanreader.com/jenesuispasliberal-entering-the-quagmire-of-online-leftism/"]#JeNeSuisPasLiberal: Entering the Quagmire of Online Leftism[/URL] That said: Aggressive PC isn't nearly as much a thing in Germany like it is in Anglophone spaces, so I haven't actually seen anyone excuse or play down a crime due to other factors like race or origin here.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49470239]I hate responding like this but you made your post a numbered list so I have no choice. Not sure where the gulf is between progressivism and globalization. Nobody will ever say "Islam is a race." That's simply because Islam is a culture that's not tied to a specific race like most other cultures. It hits all the qualifiers of any other race. That's why people keep saying that it's been "racialized." Therefore you're a racist if you attack Islam even if it's not a race because it's a race that we'll all just call something else. It's a word game, just smoke. Islam is a culture, it's imperialist and racist to criticize other cultures, stop criticizing Islam, you racist. Obviously white Europeans are seen as a race. I must have missed something here. You're combining two different issues here. One is the backwards attitudes among non-whites and the other is various specific leftist groups and movements. The latter is almost universally dismissed like you said. But broader conservative attitudes in non-white cultures are absolutely ignored or accepted and excused on a constant basis. "Who are we to judge?" It's called cultural relativism, which I'm sure you've heard of. I'm not sure if it's correct to place progressivism in the "leftist" box and just move on. It's a pretty wide category. When I think of progressivism I find it basically congruent with College Democrats. You probably have a much more academic definition. Not sure what this is. The "black woman" trope exists, therefore there's no problem? Once again, I'm not talking about the "left wing" broadly here.[/QUOTE] Yea I didn't really want that either. I just put it in numbers so it was easier to read, not a wall of text. The rift between progressivism and globalization is really liberal capitalism, which forcibly expanded the world market and eroded national borders. It directly set the stage for this issue after the cold war and the new world order (george bush sr's words). As far as I can tell progressives are usually anti-globalization or 'alterglobalization'. International finance and mass migration are two sides of the same coin. PC is only such a threat to you not because everyone had an epiphany and became lefties, but because our system needs it. It's evolving and, frankly, leaving us behind. I think there's definitely sensitivity over islam but it only gets worse as you get closer to the center. The far left is a bitter enemy. It's liberals and the center left with the most material interest in multiculturalism, who believe in this 'cultural relativist' crap because they're inherently too watered down to call something reactionary, who are bankrolled by special interests that want what we have now and more of it, and whose government is allied with muslim reactionaries essentially to counter progress and protect economic interests. But I mean otherwise, lefties and progressives are more than capable of criticizing and even fighting something like islam, and have done so. The problem is instead of doing so to the background of the cold war, when the left was basically against the west and islam simultaneously, it'd now be to the background of basically a nativist European working/middle class upset of how capitalism is changing the world. Progressives are inherently irrelevant and coming from somewhere else (at least nowadays, decades ago the communist parties agitated against immigration) in this situation. Socialism and fascism are dead, but it's far more likely the latter will be revived. That's basically why the progressives and the left are on the same page as the ruling liberals regarding backlash to immigration (but not necessarily anything else). It's also why the euro far right has supplanted the left economically. It's complicated. I've been banned on sites for saying things that'd otherwise be appreciated by other leftists/progressives as criticizing something from a left wing point of view. But then the same people paranoid of racism condemn the British SWP and its weird associations with islam. When I hear progressive i think of someone to the left of a liberal, like the progressive caucus of the Democratic party. College Democrats are beyond fucking stupid and I insult them as brainless bleeding heart liberals all the time. They're fodder. It's another place I've got in trouble, banned from interfering with their little activities on my campus, because again I'd criticize something from a left wing POV and the scum can only assume it's because I'm a white male or that only conservatives lambast someone as a liberal. Tl;dr Basically you have to differentiate between liberal and leftist, as I've noticed 'progressive' has become a smear of the nationalist right in order to associate them. There's also the problem that something like mass migration has its defense drawn up post hoc and in response to a systemic need or change, a system most progressives despise. Finally, there's also admittedly the issue that some progressives/leftists really are uneducated and out of this short sighted zeal they basically act as the sturmabteilung of neoliberalism, and it's sundering the left and driving white europeans and Americans into the arms of the right. As I said, I myself have been driven out by this type, yet I can't help but take issue with the anti-leftist edge of your sort of backlash. I don't know what my point is. I just hope you can see my perspective and why I'm not your enemy or that the left is responsible for this mess.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49469853]It's a little late for that. Their governments seem to have forgotten that a governments first and foremost job is to protect [I][B]their own people[/B][/I]. Not refugees. Yea, the situation sucks, but now you get to enjoy the massive, unregulated influx of people. There were significantly better ways of handling this, but in the name of being "better people", they didn't do them. And now, in the name of being "better people" they can deal with the consequences.[/QUOTE] This isn't completely true for Germany, actually. The government's job here is to uphold human rights [I]for everyone in the country regardless of their status[/I] and to represent the citizens' [I]will[/I]. (These are irrevocable clauses in our constitution equivalent.) In Germany a very large share of the latter also happens to explicitly include Christian values (for better or for worse. Concerning the refugee crisis I see it positively, but there are [I]many[/I] instances elsewhere where it's imo very disgraceful).

I really try to be open minded, solidary and tolerant about most things in life, especially about immigrants. But somehow the world really wants you to despise them and burn them on a stick. A shame that the action of few men earns the immigrants an awful reputation. But at this point, I start to dislike this mass scale immigration.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49469853]It's a little late for that. Their governments seem to have forgotten that a governments first and foremost job is to protect [I][B]their own people[/B][/I]. Not refugees. Yea, the situation sucks, but now you get to enjoy the massive, unregulated influx of people. There were significantly better ways of handling this, but in the name of being "better people", they didn't do them. And now, in the name of being "better people" they can deal with the consequences.[/QUOTE] Shit's only gonna get worse from now on, wish germanys major population wouldn't consist of wanna be samaritans. Like, as soon you say something in the slightest against the current immigation politics they call you a nazi and look at you like you're the reincarnation of Hitler. They don't even know what consequences the shit will have they support

[QUOTE=Conscript;49470707]When I hear progressive i think of someone to the left of a liberal, like the progressive caucus of the Democratic party. College Democrats are beyond fucking stupid and I insult them as brainless bleeding heart liberals all the time. They're fodder. It's another place I've got in trouble, banned from interfering with their little activities on my campus, because again I'd criticize something from a left wing POV and the scum can only assume it's because I'm a white male or that only conservatives lambast someone as a liberal.[/QUOTE] Cool. I'm pretty much in agreement with you completely then. This trash is what I meant by "progressive" in my posts.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49465464][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal[/url] For whatever reason leftwing politicians are holding this view that its [B]racist[/B] to criticize sexism and racism among migrant communities.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's pretty bullshit. Like fair enough you can't say all people of an ethnic minority are abusive but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem, denying it never makes it go away.

Its like how Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins said, the left wing is pretty much "progressive" on everything but turns a blind eye to when someone non-white commits atrocities that hurts other minorities, women, gays and children. Regressive is what people like that are.

Just listened to my daily BBC world news podcast and they had a guest talking, Anne Wizorek, German author and feminist blogger and she was saying how it was "deeply racist" to talk about the issues regarding these assaults when "white men rape women in Germany and nobody talks about it." It's such a shut down to any real discussion on the topic and just chooses to ignore an issue because its sensitivity. Edited for clarification.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49470965]Cool. I'm pretty much in agreement with you completely then. This trash is what I meant by "progressive" in my posts.[/QUOTE] Same here in this regard (though I imagine my position may differ quite a bit from those of you two, since I'm from a country with very different political culture. I'm not really [I]that[/I] left either as far as Germany in concerned: The Green party I vote for is close to central in parliament right now). Germany [I]does[/I] have quite a problem with left-radicals who set cars on fire and/or protest (or "protest") violently, but politically that has very little to do with the refugee crisis. The CSU and dissent in the CDU aside, I don't think it's an especially partisan issue here. Since it's relatively on-topic, here's a graph of parliament (only for the republic as a whole, the Länder are different and may include other parties) and a quick summary of the relevant party positions if I can find them: [img]http://www.bundestag.de/image/242374/Querformat__16x9/475/267/68bdbe4380d00d64ae924b9ec39a09d5/Ku/sitzverteilung_18_xl.jpg[/img] Please use [url]http://www.bing.com/translator/[/url] for the ones I can't link in English. Bing translator doesn't support https-only sites and Google pretty much doesn't understand German grammar at all. [I]Also please don't take my words here for absolute truth. I haven't read through the party programs in quite a while.[/I] - CDU/CSU: Explicitly Christian parties, the CSU is limited to Bavaria, the CDU to elsewhere. The CDU is Merkel's party. [URL="https://www.cducsu.de/themen/innen-recht-sport-und-ehrenamt/koeln-darf-sich-nicht-wiederholen"]Here's their statement about the attacks.[/URL] Afaik they're mostly agreeing to accept refugees because Merkel keeps reminding them of their party name, but it's somewhat fragile and afaih some members are trying to coop the attacks in Cologne to support their views on the issue. They're the rightmost and most conservative party/union in parliament. - Bündnis 90/Die Grünen: Probably about what you imagine: Pushing for renewable energy, culturally very liberal as long as no-one is hurt, economically relatively conservative/equal opportunity focused. [URL="https://www.gruene.de/themen/frauenpolitik/2016/koeln-gruene-fordern-aufklaerung-und-bestrafung-der-taeter.html"]They too released a statement[/URL], [URL="http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gruene.de%2Fthemen%2Ffrauenpolitik%2F2016%2Fkoeln-gruene-fordern-aufklaerung-und-bestrafung-der-taeter.html"]and this time I can link the translation[/URL]. (It's a bit wonky though. "Enlightenment" in the title a mistranslation; they're actually calling for "clearing up" of the crimes. It's the exact same word in German.) They're pro-refugees/anti-racism. - SPD: Germany's social-democratic party. They're a traditional worker party and focus mostly on economic issues. [URL="https://www.spd.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/detail/news/spd-frauen-sexuelle-gewalt-gegen-frauen-ist-kein-kavaliersdelikt/5/1/2016/"]I didn't immediately find their statement since it's tucked away in the "Press" section.[/URL] It also is https-only, so please paste it into the translator linked above. I [I]think[/I] they're pretty much in united in accepting refugees, but when they talk about it it's actually mostly against racism and right-wing extremism. They normally don't take a strong stance on cultural issues, but I can't say I'm paying much attention to them either. - DIE LINKE: That's not an acronym, their name literally translates to "THE LEFT ONE". I'm going by their website in terms of capitalisation here. I can't find a formal press statement, [URL="https://archive.is/9p72o#selection-413.1-427.447"]but they released a relevant quote[/URL] (which should be highlighted if you follow that link). Their website only works properly [I]without[/I] https, so [URL="https://archive.is/S8Zgb#selection-1637.0-1665.51"]here's a translation[/URL]. They're very pro-refugees. They're the leftmost party in parliament and the most progressive one, but they seem to be quite authoritarian. I'm not going to really read into their position because it's imo often tediously written, but if you run their website through the translator linked above directly you should be able to browse it.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;49471442]Just listened to my daily BBC world news podcast and they had a guest talking, I forget her name but she was described as a leftwing german feminist blogger and she was saying how it was "deeply racist" to talk about the issues regarding these assaults when "white men rape women in Germany and nobody talks about it." It's such a shut down to any real discussion on the topic and just chooses to ignore an issue because its sensitivity.[/QUOTE] I'm listening to it right now, it's Anne Wizorek, introduced as "German author and feminist blogger". It's not mentioned that she's left-wing (though according to her Twitter account she clearly doesn't like Merkel's stance on gay marriage, which [I]still[/I] isn't legal here). That aside: I can't unstar your post, but you're lying about what she said and distorting the context she said it in, I assume to paint the (German?) left and feminism in a bad light. In response to [quote]Whoever turns out to have been responsible, do you think this is going to have [an] impact on attitudes towards the refugees and migrants in Germany?[/quote] she says [quote]I'm afraid it already has. I mean [it's] really shocking to see how the racist comments, especially on social media, are blowing up, and how people especially from the right wing are using this... as something to justify [their] racist agenda, so I think it's very important to make clear that [B]of course we need to talk about sexism and how it's linked to sexual assault[/B], but making it about [B]just[/B] one group of people, men of colour and refugee men in particular, [is] still deeply racist and other sexual assaults committed by white men for example in this country are not even talked about or are downplayed, so this is of course a problem.[/quote] [emphasis mine]. I think overall that's a pretty reasonable position here, if you look at the (borderline or actually illegal) hate-speech she talks about in the German part of the Internet. Essentially she just says people mustn't distort the situation to further their own agenda, and have to look at it objectively. (If you want to check for yourself: The episode is available at [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dr03v[/url] and the interview starts shortly after 12:40.)

[QUOTE=Enforcer99;49469598]I just don't get what "behaving carefully" has to do with this incident. It's not like the women were in a ghetto, they were just standing in the central city center looking at fireworks, many had their family and friends with them. And then the government gives Do's and Dont's for women in public. That kind of gives the impression of victim shaming, if intended or not.[/QUOTE] The advisory is not for the women who are already victims. It is for women who MIGHT fall victim to this considering that harassment is going rampant at this period in time. I still don't see how this is victim shaming/blaming. I only see the government doing its duty in this regard. I would very much prefer it if the government handed out an advisory which is in essence "be careful" to women, considering the current situation, rather than them saying nothing at all about it. This isn't all that they are doing to mitigate the situation anyways.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;49472823]The advisory is not for the women who are already victims. It is for women who MIGHT fall victim to this considering that harassment is going rampant at this period in time. I still don't see how this is victim shaming/blaming. I only see the government doing its duty in this regard. I would very much prefer it if the government handed out an advisory which is in essence "be careful" to women, considering the current situation, rather than them saying nothing at all about it. This isn't all that they are doing to mitigate the situation anyways.[/QUOTE] Because progressives would call this very same action victim blaming in pretty much any other context as I have seen them do again, and again and again.

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[QUOTE=Ajacks;49471442]Just listened to my daily BBC world news podcast and they had a guest talking, I forget her name but she was described as a leftwing german feminist blogger and she was saying how it was "deeply racist" to talk about the issues regarding these assaults when "white men rape women in Germany and nobody talks about it." It's such a shut down to any real discussion on the topic and just chooses to ignore an issue because its sensitivity.[/QUOTE] she's not a real feminist then, doesn't matter how the media spins it, you cannot call yourself a fucking feminist if you refuse to share solidarity to those who were raped by refugees or not

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[QUOTE=Tamschi;49472361]I'm listening to it right now, it's Anne Wizorek, introduced as "German author and feminist blogger". It's not mentioned that she's left-wing (though according to her Twitter account she clearly doesn't like Merkel's stance on gay marriage, which [I]still[/I] isn't legal here). That aside: I can't unstar your post, but you're lying about what she said and distorting the context she said it in, I assume to paint the (German?) left and feminism in a bad light. In response to she says [emphasis mine]. I think overall that's a pretty reasonable position here, if you look at the (borderline or actually illegal) hate-speech she talks about in the German part of the Internet. Essentially she just says people mustn't distort the situation to further their own agenda, and have to look at it objectively. (If you want to check for yourself: The episode is available at [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dr03v[/url] and the interview starts shortly after 12:40.)[/QUOTE] Was not intentional, just misremembered. I edited my post for clarity.

This thread just goes to show how the culture of PC has gotten so complicated and obsessive that we're arguing and confused over what the correct way to be PC is now. It's all fucked

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49472842]Because progressives would call this very same action victim blaming in pretty much any other context as I have seen them do again, and again and again.[/QUOTE] I don't understand. Are you implying that the people in this thread calling it victim blaming are progressives or doing it ironically?

[QUOTE=plunger435;49473934]I don't understand. Are you implying that the people in this thread calling it victim blaming are progressives or doing it ironically?[/QUOTE] I believe the general idea when it comes to the statement made in this case is that there are many instances in which the promotion of precautions to prevent rape was called victim blaming, or at the very least some offshoot of it, because women shouldn't have to worry about being raped in the first place. I think it smacks of the whole [url=http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish/]roofie-detecting nail polish situation[/url], which got a lot of anti-rape activists PO'd for reasons which could generally be summarized as it being victim blaming.

[QUOTE=froztshock;49473954]I believe the general idea when it comes to the statement made in this case is that there are many instances in which the promotion of precautions to prevent rape was called victim blaming, or at the very least some offshoot of it, because women shouldn't have to worry about being raped in the first place. I think it smacks of the whole [URL="http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish/"]roofie-detecting nail polish situation[/URL], which got a lot of anti-rape activists PO'd for reasons which could generally be summarized as it being victim blaming.[/QUOTE] I understand that much, I'm just not sure where it fits in regards to this thread? Or the post he was relying to.

[QUOTE=plunger435;49473964]I understand that much, I'm just not sure where it fits in regards to this thread? Or the post he was relying to.[/QUOTE] I presume his thrust is that he has seen other metaphorically slapped on the wrist for saying things like this, and has perhaps received a few slaps on the wrist himself. Likewise, for one reason or another, the Cologne mayor is perceived to be part of the sociopolitical group that has been doing the wrist-slapping. People take a great deal of pleasure in pointing out hypocrisy, especially if they feel they have been attacked for something that the person attacking then goes on to do. The degree to which they actually think it's victim blaming might be suspect, but that's irrelevant to them because they feel they got yelled at for doing what she's doing.

[QUOTE=froztshock;49474051]I presume his thrust is that he has seen other metaphorically slapped on the wrist for saying things like this, and has perhaps received a few slaps on the wrist himself. Likewise, for one reason or another, the Cologne mayor is perceived to be part of the sociopolitical group that has been doing the wrist-slapping. People take a great deal of pleasure in pointing out hypocrisy, especially if they feel they have been attacked for something that the person attacking then goes on to do. The degree to which they actually think it's victim blaming might be suspect, but that's irrelevant to them because they feel they got yelled at for doing what she's doing.[/QUOTE] I bring it up because I have seen many people argue vehemently on this site, and many others, that any instances of phrases like that are hard line victim blaming words. I point out the hypocrisy of the situation because it's curious to see the opposite reaction from a similar group of people. I also use the word "Progressive" there in a passive aggressive manner, now the fact I did so is likely what irks Plunger there which I find ridiculous because I personally consider myself to be fairly progressive about things. That however, does not mean I always agree with everything people on my similar side of the field say, and one of those instances which I don't fully agree with was that nail polish incident which sparked huge, stupid arguments which amounted to anyone who didn't whole heatedly agree that it was victim blaming was an evil person essentially. It's not so much that I'm pointing it out because I've been yelled at for it before, it's because I find the idea that people did so in the first place to be questionable which just brings up more questions when I see an opposite polar reaction on an issue like this.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49473216]she's not a real feminist then, doesn't matter how the media spins it, you cannot call yourself a fucking feminist if you refuse to share solidarity to those who were raped by refugees or not[/QUOTE] No true feminist? It isnt just some fringe few people. Feminism in general is hostile towards criticisms of Islam. Ayaane Hirrsi for example, a rights activist and ex-muslim was blacklisted by Islamic groups and womens groups. They forced a university to not give her an award and have made it so that she can't speak at events without harassment.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49474146]I bring it up because I have seen many people argue vehemently on this site, and many others, that any instances of phrases like that are hard line victim blaming words. I point out the hypocrisy of the situation because it's curious to see the opposite reaction from a similar group of people. I also use the word "Progressive" there in a passive aggressive manner, now the fact I did so is likely what irks Plunger there which I find ridiculous because I personally consider myself to be fairly progressive about things. That however, does not mean I always agree with everything people on my similar side of the field say, and one of those instances which I don't fully agree with was that nail polish incident which sparked huge, stupid arguments which amounted to anyone who didn't whole heatedly agree that it was victim blaming was an evil person essentially. It's not so much that I'm pointing it out because I've been yelled at for it before, it's because I find the idea that people did so in the first place to be questionable which just brings up more questions when I see an opposite polar reaction on an issue like this.[/QUOTE] Nah it didn't irk me, I was just legitimately confused on where you were directing that. Towards the posters saying it was victim blaming, towards rainboo, or towards some third party.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49472842]Because progressives would call this very same action victim blaming in pretty much any other context as I have seen them do again, and again and again.[/QUOTE] Yeah actual-racist TH89 perma-banned people for those exact reasons during the Jessie Slaughter event for inciting harassment or sexism before he got demodded.

i want to cry why is germany not a proud country specifically fucking cologne that town was pretty cool from what i remember in the past

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49469815]I feel really bad for people living in Europe right now, you have politicians that are afraid of saying the truth. Well you know what to do, get rid of the politicians that are hurting your people.[/QUOTE] Please, as an American, don't say you feel bad for European politicians... Besides, it seems you don't understand the situation Germany is in. I'm not agreeing with the way this is handled, but Germany has to be extremely PC because of its past. "Hue hue hue does that mean people have to get hurt." No, but it means that they'll always think about their actions longer, because they still feel sorry. A bit silly imo, since it was such a long time ago, but that's still their reasoning. (Also, Europe is fucking huge... This is one large incident in Germany and you say you feel bad for Europe? There are so many different countries in Europe...)