• US State Department fought to keep Haitian wages at $0.31/hr so Hanes and Levi didn't have to pay mo
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[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];44364750']Except that this has been the norm and not the exception. We supported Coke when it hired neo-fascist mercenaries for protecting its corporate officers who were previously accused of acting as death squads in the Colombian countryside against left-leaning politicos and unionists. We also turned a blind eye when Coke assassinated labor leaders.[/QUOTE]What the fuck I never knew this, is this true?
Tellason makes some pretty rad jeans if people are looking for a more ethical brand. They are probably more expensive than what most people are used to, but the quality is superb. They source all of their materials from companies that manufacture in the US and pay people living wages.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44365463]Nothing is True Capitalism. Nothing is True Communism. Both are physically impossible as they require limited or no government, which is a myth. You cannot promote limited government in capitalism, because you would need to regulates things to prevent mass-depletion of resources and enact control measures regarding currency. You cannot promote limited government in communism, because you'd end up with a problem where certain people would not benefit the commune, and if they had a greater amount of land under their control, you'd have to form a revolutionary front against them. What does exist is a melting pot of ideas and practices that when stirred correctly, and give enough spices of life, can create an amazing soup. Order exists by making everyone happy to a certain degree, and allowing them to practice their concepts and beliefs, so long as they don't cause to much damage to others. When I see what my State Department has done, I am fucking sickened, even as someone who has grudges with the current minimum-wage concept, their is no excuse for denying workers a decent pay for their hard work, and in the case with these factories, the use of manual labor to manufacture items warrants far more pay then is being given.[/QUOTE] while i agree with you, if Stalin, Mao, etc get to be considered communists, despite their ideas going horribly against those of Karl Marx and of communism itself, why shouldn't the US, European nations, and all the shit they did in the name of capitalism, not be considered capitalism in the same manner, despite going totally against what Adam smith preached. what the US is doing, is arguably a form of capitalism, prioritizing profits, fuck everything else, you could say its "corrupted" by Adam smith standards, but it still capitalism in the end, a white shirt with that has shit all over it, its still a white shirt, whatever one likes it or not.
[QUOTE=Killer900;44365536]What the fuck I never knew this, is this true?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola#Bottling_plant_murders[/url] [url]http://killercoke.org/crimes_colombia.php[/url] (This site looks illegit as fuck, but it's only because they haven't updated their look since like 2002. It's actually a well-known organization and all the information there is backed by other sources) [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;44365627]while i agree with you, if Stalin, Mao, etc get to be considered communists, despite their ideas going horribly against those of Karl Marx and of communism itself, why shouldn't the US, European nations, and all the shit they did in the name of capitalism, not be considered capitalism in the same manner, despite going totally against what Adam smith preached. what the US is doing, is arguably a form of capitalism, prioritizing profits, fuck everything else, you could say its "corrupted" by Adam smith standards, but it still capitalism in the end, a white shirt with that has shit all over it, its still a white shirt, whatever one likes it or not.[/QUOTE] Except that Adam Smith did preach much of what the economies of these nations do, domestically and in their practices. These nations vary ethically, but that is a flaw of the system itself. Further, Smith is not the inventor of "capitalism"- the word came from socialists describing industrializing nations' economies, and when we lefties use it it refers to a specific relationship of labor and production that your "capitalism" includes. We find that it is this relationship that defines capitalism, not its allegiance to the description by one man or another. The same can be said of communism, which is why one doesn't have to be a Marxist to be a socialist or a communist and all the same you can be a methodological Marxist without being of these systems, kind of.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44365627]while i agree with you, if Stalin, Mao, etc get to be considered communists, despite their ideas going horribly against those of Karl Marx and of communism itself, why shouldn't the US, European nations, and all the shit they did in the name of capitalism, not be considered capitalism in the same manner, despite going totally against what Adam smith preached. what the US is doing, is arguably a form of capitalism, prioritizing profits, fuck everything else, you could say its "corrupted" by Adam smith standards, but it still capitalism in the end, a white shirt with that has shit all over it, its still a white shirt, whatever one likes it or not.[/QUOTE] It's not corrupted. Just terribly legislated. Just gonna go back to my, "I despise the current minimum wage setup" to explain why. The current minimum wage is fucked up. Even if you are an experienced tradesmen, have busted your ass within a certain work environment for most of your life, or just have a few years of college education under your belt.... You can have the same pay, as someone who just got out of highschool. The current minimum wage system is terribly done, and is one of the greatest points of debate regarding the income gap. Most people have suggested outright raising it to $15. While I'd agree with something like $10 or $12, I believe an entire new measure needs to be adopted in the regards of this. Let us say their is two workers looking to get the same job in car repair. One has ten years of experience, the other just got out of a college for motorsports and car repair. What pay should these people get? Current practices dictate that both have a minimum starting point of $7.50 to $10.50, and more likely then not, that's where they'll be put 90% of the time. What I suggest is a bracket system based on work experience, each year of trade experience being something like $0.50 to $1.50 to your minimum wage increase. Now this brings up another problem though: People want decently experienced workers, but they don't wanna pay them huge amounts of dosh that can simply be given to an illegal immigrant for half the price of the tenner worker. Capitalism is indeed a very complex balancing act at points, but certain concepts can be adapted from other political theories in other to ensure the balancing act is given fair weight to everyone on the tight rope.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44365627]while i agree with you, if Stalin, Mao, etc get to be considered communists, despite their ideas going horribly against those of Karl Marx and of communism itself, why shouldn't the US, European nations, and all the shit they did in the name of capitalism, not be considered capitalism in the same manner, despite going totally against what Adam smith preached. what the US is doing, is arguably a form of capitalism, prioritizing profits, fuck everything else, you could say its "corrupted" by Adam smith standards, but it still capitalism in the end, a white shirt with that has shit all over it, its still a white shirt, whatever one likes it or not.[/QUOTE] They are capitalist countries. Also capitalism certainly isn't reliant on Adam Smith. Its more of an organic development of the late Medieval and early modern era that developed in response to the price revolution, colonization of the new world, globalization, and general decline of land as a decisive factor in a source of wealth in favour of industry and commerce. The Asian countries (China especially) had already developed very advanced and complex markets by the time Adam Smith was writing (in fact he actually suggested looking up to some of their ideas as a way of improving Europe), with the coastal districts of China beings roughly equivalent in terms of living standards and wealth to Western Europe in about 1800. Capitalism itself is not a European phenomenon, but naturally rises out out of advanced economies. Modern Socialism itself by contrast is largely Western, and was exported to foreign countries much like many other terrible ideas of ours. Different countries require different ways of dealing with their problems, and simply introducing shock capitalism or a workers revolution is going to blow up in your face. Start with people selling vegetables and work from there.
Haitians already have enough problems why the fuck would you shit on them like this
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