[QUOTE=Contag;33912971]does an unborn fetus have second amendment rights?[/QUOTE]
i think this was covered in the supreme court case Bachiani v Sarah "GunCunt" Wilson
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;33912965]What the fuck? Would a camera man videotaping two people doing a porno make the porno a threesome? Just because he's there at the porno, as long as he's not engaging in any sexual activity, it doesn't make it a threesome. Same thing with a baby, just because he's there doesn't make it a threesome. And also, you shouldn't be having sex with babies, that's just fucking messed up.[/QUOTE]
hey it was a joke
settle down
Yo that threesome analogy is terrible, pro-choice or not.
oh god
Please no, im a Roman Catholic but you don't see me walking around making choices for women. Neither should anyone else.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33911442]
Well if you don't have any preference then I don't see why you're debating.[/QUOTE]
What a stupid comment
I can legitimately point out what is wrong with candidates without offering up a perfect magic fix-all solution
What next, people can't criticize crime because they don't have the perfect answer that fixes all problems?
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;33913094]Please no, im a Roman Catholic but you don't see me walking around making choices for women. Neither should anyone else.[/QUOTE]
We need to clearly define where life begins. Tell me, what do you believe? If life begins at conception, the fetus has rights. Would you take away its right to life?
[QUOTE=semite;33913200]We need to clearly define where life begins. Tell me, what do you believe? If life begins at conception, the fetus has rights. Would you take away its right to life?[/QUOTE]
I'm not killing the fetus, I'm just advising it to seek alternate accommodation.
if life begins at conception, why do we celebrate birth days instead of conception days?
I think I just won this argument
[QUOTE=Sanius;33913262]if life begins at conception, why do we celebrate birth days instead of conception days?
I think I just won this argument[/QUOTE]
Because fetuses can't blow out candles and it's bad luck for someone else to blow out your candles for you. DUH
[QUOTE=semite;33913200]We need to clearly define where life begins. Tell me, what do you believe? If life begins at conception, the fetus has rights. Would you take away its right to life?[/QUOTE]
life begins when you're born into a fully grown human baby that is sentient and capable of feeling emotion and pain and registering memories while defining a personality, no matter how temporary or minor they are
i.e. when you blast out of a cunt and you're no longer a FETUS
[QUOTE=thisispain;33909656]oh boy here comes reagan 2.0.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, you know John Hinkley's likely to be released soon.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33913300]life begins when you're born into a fully grown human baby that is sentient and capable of feeling emotion and pain and registering memories while defining a personality, no matter how temporary or minor they are
i.e. when you blast out of a cunt and you're no longer a FETUS[/QUOTE]
It's a complicated debate with both sides firmly entrenched.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;33913386]It's a complicated debate with both sides firmly entrenched.[/QUOTE]
it generally comes down to "life is sacred and that baby is a human now lets fry these deathrow inmates" and "no it isn't and no it isn't"
i wouldn't call it very complex
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33913414]it generally comes down to "life is sacred and that baby is a human now lets fry these deathrow inmates" and "no it isn't and no it isn't"
i wouldn't call it very complex[/QUOTE]
You're arguing for abortion yet you're the one bringing deathrow into it.
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;33912965]What the fuck? Would a camera man videotaping two people doing a porno make the porno a threesome? [/QUOTE]
I believe that would be called voyeurism.
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;33913330]Hmm, you know John Hinkley's likely to be released soon.[/QUOTE]
I think he has already been released
[QUOTE=TestECull;33911438]Sorry, Ron, but this sort of thing isn't the government's place to decide. Regardless of which side of the debate you're on, the final decision rests solely with the woman carrying the child in question, not with religious groups and not with some guy in DC who's never even seen her let alone knows what's right for her.[/QUOTE]
Um so murder shouldn't be against the law either? That's what the argument against abortion is.
Anyone who uses a "this is a woman's rights issue" argument completely misunderstands the issue and is using a sensationalist emotional argument to get support. It's an argument about where human life begins and when that life deserves legal protection.
[QUOTE=Glent;33913474]You're arguing for abortion yet you're the one bringing deathrow into it.[/QUOTE]
No, he's right. The vast majority of anti-choice people are pro-death penalty - at least in the US. And because they're usually Christian conservatives, they're usually people who are in favour of cutting social spending massively (which is why I think the term 'pro-life' is an absolute misnomer).
[editline]27th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913667]Um so murder shouldn't be against the law either? That's what the argument against abortion is.[/QUOTE]
That's extremely simplistic.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913667]Anyone who uses a "this is a woman's rights issue" argument completely misunderstands the issue and is using a sensationalist emotional argument to get support. It's an argument about where human life begins and when that life deserves legal protection.[/QUOTE]
Except women are the ones who give nine months of their life to host a parasite and push it out of their genitals, and it often has a massive negative health impact. So, um, women's rights do come into it.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33913300]life begins when you're born into a fully grown human baby that is sentient and capable of feeling emotion and pain and registering memories while defining a personality, no matter how temporary or minor they are
i.e. when you blast out of a cunt and you're no longer a FETUS[/QUOTE]
All that stuff happens [i]before[/i] you are born.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33913669]No, he's right. The vast majority of anti-choice people are pro-death penalty - at least in the US. And because they're usually Christian conservatives, they're usually people who are in favour of cutting social spending massively (which is why I think the term 'pro-life' is an absolute misnomer).[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;AvF1Q3UidWM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM[/video]
This is basically required posting in any abortion thread
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33913669]No, he's right. The vast majority of anti-choice people are pro-death penalty - at least in the US. And because they're usually Christian conservatives, they're usually people who are in favour of cutting social spending massively (which is why I think the term 'pro-life' is an absolute misnomer).
[editline]27th December 2011[/editline]
That's extremely simplistic.
Except women are the ones who give nine months of their life to host a parasite and push it out of their genitals, and it often has a massive negative health impact. So, um, women's rights do come into it.[/QUOTE]
Um a woman gives a whole lot more than nine months to their child. Should a woman be allowed to kill her child at 6 months old? What about 2 years?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913667]Um so murder shouldn't be against the law either? That's what the argument against abortion is.
Anyone who uses a "this is a woman's rights issue" argument completely misunderstands the issue and is using a sensationalist emotional argument to get support. It's an argument about where human life begins and when that life deserves legal protection.[/QUOTE]
It starts at birth
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913707]Um a woman gives a whole lot more than nine months to their child. Should a woman be allowed to kill her child at 6 months old? What about 2 years?[/QUOTE]
At that point the child is separate being who no longer feeds of nutrients from the mother. So at that point yes it is murder.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;33913718]It starts at birth[/QUOTE]
So the difference between a living and non living thing starts at an arbitrary date. There is pretty much nothing physiologically or psychologically different than a fetus the day before it's born and an infant the day after it's born, but the simple act of pushing it out of the vagina makes it a living human.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913695]All that stuff happens [i]before[/i] you are born.[/QUOTE]
but not so much in the first trimester
I don't get it, hasn't Ron Paul been against shoving his personal beliefs into Politics and aligning himself with Conservatism for a long time? Why is he starting now?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33913741]So the difference between a living and non living thing starts at an arbitrary date. There is pretty much nothing physiologically or psychologically different than a fetus the day before it's born and an infant the day after it's born, but the simple act of pushing it out of the vagina makes it a living human.[/QUOTE]
pretty much
[QUOTE=Contag;33913754]but not so much in the first trimester[/QUOTE]
So are first trimester abortions ok and later term abortions not ok?
[editline]27th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;33913767]pretty much[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my vote. I knew he was pro-life, but I see Roe v. Wade going poof if he gets in the White House now.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;33911388]welp none of them are worth voting for now[/QUOTE]
implying ron paul was worth voting for to begin with.
[QUOTE=Jon-Ace;33914028]Aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my vote. I knew he was pro-life, but I see Roe v. Wade going poof if he gets in the White House now.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the only way to override a Supreme Court decision passing an Amendment? Or a reversal decision by the Court? I don't think he can pull of either one.
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