Radical/Muslim protests, Shop owners told they face 40 lashes if they continue selling 'evil' alcoho
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[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;43213461]So atheists are strong and brave?[/QUOTE]
Well they do have a strong fedora tipping hand
[QUOTE=Grimhound;43213577]It's more a matter of dignity, and no, not really. A lot of atheists are self-righteous dicks who I personally disagree with, and I admittedly wrestle with the whole hubris angle myself at times.
I hold that we as a species have to look to our own collective future and work to make rapid advancements so that, even if we cannot immediately benefit from our own endeavors, at least those who come after us will stand as a testament to our resolve. Meanwhile I see millions prostrating themselves before invisible forces and theistic con men who promise them eternal happiness for no fee other than their obedience, sacrifice, and willful ignorance. It's one of those situations where I repeatedly find myself really pissed off.
Note: There are members of the various religious institutions who are generally very nice people, and I appreciate and admire them for their charity and devotion to their ideals of helping mankind. The people I'm talking about are the ones opposite that.[/QUOTE]
It really doesn't sound like you were trying to separate rational people who happened to be religious from the zealots. "Religion is for the inebriated", meaning by default you look down on anyone who has religious beliefs, regardless of how open minded, rational, or progressive they are with said beliefs.
Christ it sounds an awful lot like the shit r/atheism spits out. Intolerance goes both ways it seems.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;43213221]Know what? I'm tired. Religion is an inebriate for those who deny reality in favor of narrative fiction. Those too weak and cowardly to look into the beyond and take the inevitability of their own nonexistence as a challenge rather than as an omnipresent threat.
You want to live by a code? Fine. It had better be justifiable without the concept of divine enforcement.[/QUOTE]
you got this from a few knobheads being mad at alcohol
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;43210706]A tad askew from point, and I'll probably recieve hate from this post.
But is it just me, or is Islam slowly becoming more prevalent in the United Kingdom? IE to me it seems it won't remain a minority for long, especially if the government don't put their damn foot down.[/QUOTE]
na these guys are like the christian extremists here in the u.s. they go crazy over every injustice they see is against their book and dont really give a damn that other people could see the world slightly different.
though if you want to live in an Islamic country dont move to a christian one and demand they become Islamic, that's just insulting
Why did I have to see this today, I'm already in a shitty mood, now I want to punch a hole through a wall.
[QUOTE=Freakie;43210324]Wasn't religion a major cause of The Troubles?
Although on topic, do ALL branches of Islam prohibit alcohol and the likes?[/QUOTE]
If there is I want to know what kind of mental gymnastics an Islamic branch that doesn't t prohibit alcohol does to justify not following something that's part of the Al-Quran.
Having different interpretations is one thing but outright going against it is just baffling
[QUOTE=Matrix374;43215138]If there is I want to know what kind of mental gymnastics an Islamic branch that doesn't t prohibit alcohol does to justify not following something that's part of the Al-Quran.
Having different interpretations is one thing but outright going against it is just baffling[/QUOTE]
Technically Christians are supposed to stone adulterers and kill disobedient children. How come we haven't seen that in a while?
[QUOTE=Matrix374;43215138]If there is I want to know what kind of mental gymnastics an Islamic branch that doesn't t prohibit alcohol does to justify not following something that's part of the Al-Quran.
Having different interpretations is one thing but outright going against it is just baffling[/QUOTE]
Ask any christian who doesnt stone their children when they talk back
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43215210]Technically Christians are supposed to stone adulterers and kill disobedient children. How come we haven't seen that in a while?[/QUOTE]
You're right,there's way too much silly stuff in these things why do I even bother asking what kind of shit people pull to justify that when they probably just stopped caring about that certain rule or rules.
[QUOTE=lirro433;43212928]This is government loosing their balls and going full bananas and agree with the kebab.[/QUOTE]
no, it isn't. it's called alternative dispute resolution. it even says it right there. ADR mechanisms exist because they alleviate the burden on the court system. if the petitioner and defendant both consent to going to a sharia court there's no problem doing so. they can back out at any time and go to the real court.
adr is probably one of the most critically important fundamental components of [I]any[/I] functioning court system.
[editline]17th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grimhound;43213221]Know what? I'm tired. Religion is an inebriate for those who deny reality in favor of narrative fiction. Those too weak and cowardly to look into the beyond and take the inevitability of their own nonexistence as a challenge rather than as an omnipresent threat.
You want to live by a code? Fine. It had better be justifiable without the concept of divine enforcement.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNfjcazPbNA[/media]
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;43213461]So atheists are strong and brave?[/QUOTE]
I was going to make a joke, but it is true.
Being an atheist requires a lot of patience, willpower and research; especially to be a predominant one, you get a LOT of shit for being one depending on where you live.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43213284]Dont be daft dude. The end result is still the same. News publishers are a company like any other. Their goal is to make money. Why run this story? Because immigration is a hot button issue and they know people like sword and paint will gobble that shit up and push their agenda.[/QUOTE]
Dumb reasoning. Better not post anything about muslims anywhere then, make people and the press silent and accept people preaching sharia law... ooops never figured you out for a extremist supporter.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;43215406]I was going to make a joke, but it is true.
Being an atheist requires a lot of patience, willpower and research; especially to be a predominant one, you get a LOT of shit for being one depending on where you live.[/QUOTE]
I'll give you that being an atheist in a predominantly religious community might suck, but my point was that being an atheist/agnostic is not a prequisite to being a rational, open-minded person.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43210256]I don't understand their motivation.
If they don't like how fundamental things work in some country, why did they move there? Or are all these guys British born? Not to imply there can't be British born muslims, but if they are, that probably means their parents had similar way of thinking, so why did [I]they[/I] move to Britain, then?[/QUOTE]
uhh, maybe to avoid being killed by their own governments?
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;43215604]I'll give you that being an atheist in a predominantly religious community might suck, but my point was that being an atheist/agnostic is not a prequisite to being a rational, open-minded person.[/QUOTE]
Quite true, and that's the point I've been making for a long time.
But I feel that the majority of Atheists come to that conclusion through skepticism, rationality, and open mindedness, so I don't feel the need to specifically state that. I also feel that each person has their own 'reason' they were convinced to Atheism, and each person is unique in that way.
There's also the Spectrum of theistic probability:
[quote]Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."[/quote]
, But I digress.
I think there's also a point to "If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out"
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43213284]Dont be daft dude. The end result is still the same. News publishers are a company like any other. Their goal is to make money. Why run this story? Because immigration is a hot button issue and they know people like sword and paint will gobble that shit up and push their agenda.[/QUOTE]
Seems like you have been gobbling up your own shit agenda, maybe you watch too much ISLAM4UK TV. Anjem Choudary would be proud of you.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/islam4uk[/url]
[QUOTE=barrab;43215716]uhh, maybe to avoid being killed by their own governments?[/QUOTE]
Go find out why that might be the case.
I couldn't imagine the shitstorm that would occur if a bunch of white Christians started marching down the streets of a Muslim country threatening violence if the stores didn't start selling alcohol.
If you think it's bad now just wait until they start enforcing Sharia Law with Muslamic Rayguns...
[video=youtube;V5VDbu-HLMs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VDbu-HLMs[/video]
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43216313]Seems like you have been gobbling up your own shit agenda, maybe you watch too much ISLAM4UK TV. Anjem Choudary would be proud of you.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/islam4uk[/url][/QUOTE]
there is absolutely nothing in that post that can make you remotely come to that conclusion
I just don't get Choudary and his posse, after being born here how could he ever think sharia is a better way to live at all, what makes him think he has the right above everyone else to incite the things he does
All I can sum it down to is that he's a bitter man with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions
[QUOTE=Laputa;43216780]I just don't get Choudary and his posse, after being born here how could he ever think sharia is a better way to live at all, what makes him think he has the right above everyone else to incite the things he does
All I can sum it down to is that he's a bitter man with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions[/QUOTE]
[quote]Born in UK in 1967, Anjem Choudary is the son of a Welling market trader.[1] He attended Mulgrave Primary School, in Woolwich.[2] He enrolled as a medical student at the University of Southampton, where he was known as Andy, but after excessive partying, failed his first-year exams.[2] He switched to law and spent his final year as a legal student (1990–1991) at Guildford, before moving to London to teach English as a second language. He became a lawyer after he found work at a legal firm and completed his legal qualifications.[3]
Choudary became the chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers, but was removed from the roll of solicitors (the official register of legal practitioners) in 2002.[1]
He first came to public attention in 1999, when the Sunday Telegraph identified him as having played an instrumental role in the recruitment of Muslim trainees leaving Britain to fight abroad. He told the newspaper "before they go abroad to fight for organisations like the IIF, the volunteers are trained in Britain. Some of the training does involve guns and live ammunition."[4][/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary#Early_life_and_education[/url]
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43216313]Seems like you have been gobbling up your own shit agenda, maybe you watch too much ISLAM4UK TV. Anjem Choudary would be proud of you.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/islam4uk[/url][/QUOTE]
are you in the EDL? you'd fit right in with those fellas.
Why do I always hear about these loonies in Britain, but never here in the States?
I mean, I'm sure they exist, but they don't seem to be as bad here.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;43217021]Why do I always hear about these loonies in Britain, but never here in the States?
I mean, I'm sure they exist, but they don't seem to be as bad here.[/QUOTE]
The U.K is packed more tightly and not use to the conflict that comes with diversity we've learned to somewhat cope with.
Here you can have a Muslim community pretty far away any other ethnic groups so they don't bother people as much. One of them even had a prayer horn/thing that they use in Middle Eastern cultures.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;43217021]Why do I always hear about these loonies in Britain, but never here in the States?
I mean, I'm sure they exist, but they don't seem to be as bad here.[/QUOTE]
They stay quiet because they don't want to get shot in the fucking face.
[editline]17th December 2013[/editline]
I'm not supporting violence against Muslims. I fully respect and applaud any type of peaceful protest no matter what the content. But looking at the U.S.'s history of violence against Muslims, it makes sense why there is very little protest of this sort to be found there.
If Sikh's are mistakenly gunned down by a fanatic, it's no surprise that actual Muslims would be afraid to express their contrarian views in public.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43215214]Ask any christian who doesnt stone their children when they talk back[/QUOTE]
no children at to be beaten with a switch, adultorers are to be stoned
but as a people we have moved beyond these draconian means and the bible also teaches redemption so our justice system for a time at least focused on rehabilitation
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