University of Chicago cancels all Monday 11/30 classes over credible shooting threat - Polidicks

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214016][url]https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/currie-crime.html[/url][/QUOTE] Our incarceration rate is unrelated to our crime rate. We incarcerate for things that aren't criminal offenses in other nations. The vast majority are drug offenses. It has fucked us up pretty bad and is predominately the result of allowing private interests in the world of corrections. There is an incredibly powerful prison lobby at work in DC because private prisons are a multi-billion dollar industry. We have a lobby in our government who seeks to profit off of putting more people in jail. They not only exist, but they hold real power. These are the people I'm supposed to surrender my firearms to? Really?

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49214023]Have you even been to America or talked with a American IRL? I've never been to Hungary, and while I admit I don't know what to expect in Hungary aside from Bela Lugosi and jokes about being Hungry, I wouldn't say such mean things about your nation.[/QUOTE] when did I ever say the situation is any different anywhere else in the world I'm trying to pull you out of the notion that america is any different

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49213880]We were born fighting and we'll die fighting. We fought the natives, we fought our original King, we fought against nature to survive, we even fought each other! We're fighters, it's who we are. We can also be peacemakers and friendly, but we won't shy from fighting if we can afford it.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you were trying to defend your culture or if you were trying to make a mockery of it but this is hilarious You're not a fighter, you're a guy on an internet forum with 24000 posts posting about gun laws. Who your ancestors and your forefathers were is irrelevant. It's important to keep your countries history in mind and not forget it, but don't act like it's still applicable today. From what I've seen of American gun culture, it's often not even about self defense with a concealed carry, it's about self defense with a fucking machine gun and going out to the countryside and shooting at rocks and no, that's not because "We were born fighters bald eagle and american flags yeehaw" it's because American culture is gun crazy. The fact your country was born in conflict like every other country in the world isn't an excuse.

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214016][url]https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/currie-crime.html[/url][/QUOTE] No I know about the prison system in America being total poopsauce. Still no excuse to assume all of us are assholes really.

[QUOTE=GunFox;49214031]Our incarceration rate is unrelated to our crime rate. We incarcerate for things that aren't criminal offenses in other nations. The vast majority are drug offenses. It has fucked us up pretty bad and is predominately the result of allowing private interests in the world of corrections. There is an incredibly powerful prison lobby at work in DC because private prisons are a multi-billion dollar industry.[/QUOTE] Well, slavery is profitable.

I'll just say, whenever anything american related to guns happens, it's always negative and it's kinda weird to defend that

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49214038]No I know about the prison system in America being total poopsauce. Still no excuse to assume all of us are assholes really.[/QUOTE] you're assuming extremes and quoting me on things I never said I'll say it once more, I am simply saying that the ideas you brought up about guns and the defense of democracy are sincerely laughable as HAKKAR expertly explained it to you

[QUOTE=St33m;49213796]Get rid of the guns already, you obviously cant handle them.[/QUOTE] After the countless gun debates in SH, people still don't get why Americans have guns. Or rather they do get it and they post petty trollbait comments like this one in an uncalled-for manner. [QUOTE=Gwoodman;49214048]I'll just say, whenever anything american related to guns happens, it's always negative and it's kinda weird to defend that[/QUOTE] No one is defending negative incidents. It's when ignorant people start shit over things they don't know anything about is what causes the explanation of our rights and why we have them. It's pointless, really. The same arguments, the same shit. Nothing will ever change because some cheeky non-Americans will always bounce on the opportunity to start shit. It happens literally every single thread, and nothing is accomplished.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;49214055]After the countless gun debates in SH, people still don't get why Americans have guns. Or rather they do get it and they post petty trollbait comments like this one in an uncalled-for manner.[/QUOTE] no I sincerely do not get why americans have guns, or rather, why they have automatic assault rifles in the living room in my experience of the news it brings nothing but suffering and harm, accidental or otherwise [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] when trying to list pros, remember that shooting cans and defending against communist invaders are not good points

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49214048]I'll just say, whenever anything american related to guns happens, it's always negative and it's kinda weird to defend that[/QUOTE] perhaps because the millions of people who own guns and never misue them aren't newsworthy. [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=vodka quest;49214058]no I sincerely do not get why americans have guns, or rather, why they have [B]automatic assault rifles in the living room[/B][/QUOTE] they don't

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49214066]perhaps because the millions of people who own guns and never misue them aren't newsworthy.[/QUOTE] still a higher ratio with than without [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49214066] they don't[/QUOTE] an obvious exaggeration, disregard that

I would say the world would be a better place without guns or weapons but then everyone else on the planet would be screwed the moment someone invents violence.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49214075]I would say the world would be a better place without guns or weapons but then everyone else on the planet would be screwed the moment someone invents violence.[/QUOTE] when people say gun control I dont think its a safe idea to jump to the conclusion that every law abiding citizen should have butter knives and criminals get ar-15s its called control not removal

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49213990]We just took the second because we deserve the right to properly arm ourselves in the case some legit nutjob becomes President and we, the people of the United States, decide to arm up in the case he tries to turn our Democracy into something more Fascist for example.[/QUOTE] Your nation is a corporate oligarchy and your guns didn't save you from it. You try 'standing your ground' or whatever you call it, and watch the swat team scrape clumps of you off the tank-threads of their 'law enforcement vehicle' So why exactly do you have guns again?

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214058]no I sincerely do not get why americans have guns, or rather, why they have automatic assault rifles in the living room in my experience of the news it brings nothing but suffering and harm, accidental or otherwise [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] when trying to list pros, remember that shooting cans and defending against communist invaders are not good points[/QUOTE] Oh come on, its not like we all have a fucking howitzer in our bathrooms. I only have a 88mm AA gun in my kitchen, and I get tons of flak. But I'm a responsible owner. But jokes aside, maybe you do not understand the stance and viewpoints people make about guns because you're not apart of that culture. If you want to be serious about this, and you wish to make an argument based that our gun culture is blown out of line, and we're all sociopaths, then you just have a bad view on our society. You do not live here, be inquisitive not judgmental. As I have told many people before, the problem isn't gun control or the government. The problem is how we treat people that are provoked to get to a murderous frame of mind. We do not adequately treat people with mental illness, and people are continually stressed beyond their limits. And these problems arise. You see china with its mass-stabbings, so they need knife control? No, they also inadequately supply the populace with the assistance they need. Instead they pump their money into other shit, like their wallets etc.

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214058]no I sincerely do not get why americans have guns, or rather, why they have automatic assault rifles in the living room in my experience of the news it brings nothing but suffering and harm, accidental or otherwise [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] when trying to list pros, remember that shooting cans and defending against communist invaders are not good points[/QUOTE] Your notion of us having automatic assault rifles in our homes only proves that you're ignorant of our laws. Perhaps you should start reading up on them and our Constitution as well before you spout uninformed drivel.

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214068]still a higher ratio with than without [/QUOTE] That is the worst statement to make, after you say shit like [quote]when trying to list pros, remember that shooting cans and defending against communist invaders are not good points[/quote] You're not willing to see a viewpoint, or draw a educated view. You just see american gun culture to be "not your thing", and you're going to bash on Americans because they do not agree with your view point. How is this healthy socialization?

[QUOTE=St33m;49214084]Your nation is a corporate oligarchy and your guns didn't save you from it. You try 'standing your ground' or whatever you call it, and watch the swat team scrape clumps of you off the tank-threads of their 'law enforcement vehicle' So why exactly do you have guns again?[/QUOTE] Because it's our right to. It's what it boils down to, really.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;49214095]Oh come on, its not like we all have a fucking howitzer in our bathrooms. I only have a 88mm AA gun in my kitchen, and I get tons of flak. But I'm a responsible owner. But jokes aside, maybe you do not understand the stance and viewpoints people make about guns because you're not apart of that culture. If you want to be serious about this, and you wish to make an argument based that our gun culture is blown out of line, and we're all sociopaths, then you just have a bad view on our society. You do not live here, be inquisitive not judgmental. As I have told many people before, the problem isn't gun control or the government. The problem is how we treat people that are provoked to get to a murderous frame of mind. We do not adequately treat people with mental illness, and people are continually stressed beyond their limits. And these problems arise. You see china with its mass-stabbings, so they need knife control? No, they also inadequately supply the populace with the assistance they need. Instead they pump their money into other shit, like their wallets etc.[/QUOTE] dont like how im treated with such xenophobia because of a flagdog that every post in some way or another includes the meaning that I simply do not get american culture, just because my schools didnt spoonfeed me the tea party and the declaration of independence doesnt mean I dont know shit about what happens/happened to you guys. I could probably easily ace any high school american history test, so please let's put the "but our history" part aside (not referring to quoted guy) the mental illness one is spot on, but on the same line of thought don't you think that mentally, guns are a much bigger idol to power and violence? "knife-control" is such a ridicilous way to defend guns that I sincerely think you're deluded when that's what you can bring up. it's a losing battle for some idea of self-defense, when as someone put it very well, when the cleanup crew is scraping your body off from the wall, your power to resist the government did nothing

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;49214037]From what I've seen of American gun culture, it's often not even about self defense with a concealed carry, it's about self defense with a fucking machine gun and going out to the countryside and shooting at rocks and no, that's not because "We were born fighters bald eagle and american flags yeehaw" it's because American culture is gun crazy.[/QUOTE]Look, yet another Australian commenting about an element of American culture despite having absolutely no fucking idea what he's even talking about. Maybe you should fix that.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;49214107]Because it's our right to. It's what it boils down to, really.[/QUOTE] Danes have the right to possess firearms too, But you have to undergo a long, laborious process to prove that you know how to handle them, and have an express purpose for having them. You must have state a state-approved firearm container that your firearms must be locked into when not in use. But i guess thats too responsible for you lot.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;49214098]Your notion of us having automatic assault rifles in our homes only proves that you're ignorant of our laws. Perhaps you should start reading up on them and our Constitution as well before you spout uninformed drivel.[/QUOTE] or maybe you should read my posts [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49214122]Look, yet another Australian commenting about an element of American culture despite having absolutely no fucking idea what he's even talking about. Maybe you should fix that.[/QUOTE] oh look its another of those [editline]30th November 2015[/editline] american culture is the next japan, sad just in time as I learned to handle samurai swords

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214119]dont like how im treated with such xenophobia because of a flagdog[/QUOTE] Xenophobia: Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Where is Xenophobia in there? Because I said you're not from America thats automatically me saying "Hungarians are fucking idiots?" [QUOTE=vodka quest;49214119] that every post in some way or another includes the meaning that I simply do not get american culture, just because my schools didnt spoonfeed me the tea party and the declaration of independence doesnt mean I dont know shit about what happens/happened to you guys. I could probably easily ace any high school american history test, so please let's put the "but our history" part aside (not referring to quoted guy) [/QUOTE] Now you're just being irrational. I don't pick at your culture, and I'm not bringing up the Magyar history. Sure you can ace American history, sure why not. There isn't a lot to remember, remember its a country of 250 years. The hungarians have been there much longer, obviously because you know, we're all from the same continent as you... [QUOTE=vodka quest;49214119]"knife-control" is such a ridicilous way to defend guns that I sincerely think you're deluded when that's what you can bring up.[/QUOTE] Point is in the other direction

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;49214146] Now you're just being irrational. I don't pick at your culture, and I'm not bringing up the Magyar histories. So... [/QUOTE] because right now we are talking about american culture sure, if we had guns I'd probably be defending it because 1200 years ago we rode around on horses pillaging villages and its my right to pillage but since this isnt the case im probably against guns I'm just getting frustrated that noone is willing to accept or understand the points im trying to make so I'm out cya guys

It's really weird and downright creepy to see Americans post about their own nation and its gun laws because what transpires is that they're usually either so negative about their country it sounds like they've been living in a war zone for years or they're so positive they sound like brainwashed drones. The entire education system and the media of the United States is built around bashing the shit out of the government and glorifying the shit out of the nation and its history. Guns are just a consequence, and perhaps the most visible aspect of this. At its core the US is an incredibly insecure nation about itself and about its history to the point where a large portion of its (white) citizens need to remind themselves and the world about how great they are on a regular basis.

[QUOTE=St33m;49214124]Danes have the right to possess firearms too, But you have to undergo a long, laborious process to prove that you know how to handle them, and have an express purpose for having them. You must have state a state-approved firearm container that your firearms must be locked into when not in use. But i guess thats too responsible for you lot.[/QUOTE] Slow your roll, dude. You originally inquired as to why we have guns. I gave you the answer, so why did you feel the need to tell me about how Denmark runs their shit? Not only that but the unnecessary and disingenuous remark was fucking stupid, honestly. [QUOTE=vodka quest;49214126]or maybe you should read my posts[/QUOTE] Sorry I can't detect exaggeration over text, especially in a gun debate thread.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49214122]Look, yet another Australian commenting about an element of American culture despite having absolutely no fucking idea what he's even talking about. Maybe you should fix that.[/QUOTE] It's weird because most American posters here are usually so quick to comment on Muslim culture and immigrants despite having absolutely no fucking idea what they're talking about. [QUOTE=GunFox;49214012] We have guns because if we keep heading down the road of becoming a corporate prison haven and conventional political avenues to resolve these issues fail to function, we are going to need to spill a great deal of blood to resolve the issue. [/QUOTE] But that's fine, I'll leave you and people like Gunfox to live out their paranoid delusions of overthrowing their george Orwellian government one day with guns and "spilling a great deal of blood to resolve the issue" - because that's the type of person I'd want to own guns.

To further add on to my post on the last page, I sincerely believe Sensationalist Headlines is not a suitable environment for a debate about American gun control. Because of that, I'm just going to leave the thread to you guys. Too many people are quick to jump on cheeky jabs and gross generalizations about each other's cultures to have a worth-while discussion.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;49214198]To further add on to my post on the last page, I sincerely believe Sensationalist Headlines is not a suitable environment for a debate about American gun control. Because of that, I'm just going to leave the thread to you guys. Too many people are quick to jump on cheeky jabs and gross generalizations about each other's cultures to have a worth-while discussion.[/QUOTE] So you are uncomfortable with finding opposing opinions basically.

[QUOTE=vodka quest;49214168]because right now we are talking about american culture sure, if we had guns I'd probably be defending it because 1200 years ago we rode around on horses pillaging villages and its my right to pillage but since this isnt the case im probably against guns I'm just getting frustrated that noone is willing to accept or understand the points im trying to make so I'm out cya guys[/QUOTE] Do you have horse control? Also permits for your Bows? In all fairness, you're being reactionary and not proving a point other than that you don't agree with it, while being on the other side of the planet. You're not going to persuade the country to give up its weapons. Most people that have guns, don't use them to go around shooting up institutions or murdering people. They use it for either their protection, collection, or survival. We do not have them to go around pillaging villages, as in your case with your rights to have a horse and bow. Which I assume you have access to obtain both, without much regulation to stop you from hunting on horseback, or attacking the Franks.