Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;46824794]I merely would change your wording to "In some parts of the country" and it wouldn't be so bad. The US has a lot of variety in terms of demographics based on location.[/QUOTE] that's what i meant to imply in my posts. i should have been more clear, my bad.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46824804]Well at least you're fruity looking and not a hairy man-bear. I think you might just have low self esteem, fruity looking men can have a lot of attractive feminine facial features. Why don't you take a look in the mirror again and tell me you can't find one good feature that you hope doesn't change when you can finally afford the reassignment or hormone therapy (or whatever you're planning on doing). I'd be willing to bet you have nice cheekbones, jawbones, or skin.[/QUOTE] Actually my jaw is huge and my face is covered in zits. :U I'm on low-strength HRT and I can barely pay for it, over $200 a month. This stuff isn't covered by insurance here. Becoming physically accurate to my gender is going to cost me thousands and thousands of dollars. That's money I'll probably never have. Much like the girl from the article, I just feel trapped.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46824809]Hi. I'm a Christian. And I love you. For everything you are, for everything you ever were. I love you. Because that's what Christianity is supposed to be, the church has long been caught on everything the bible says to not like, and they've lost sight of what Christ actually taught, which was love. Unconditional love. It isn't my place to hate you, to damn you, to despise you, because you are as you were created, a human being, perfectly imperfect. For too long we've spoken about what we're supposed to hate, but I contend that if God actually hated as much as what supposed christians preach about, they simply wouldn't exist at all. If God hated homosexuals they wouldn't exist. If God hated transsexuals they wouldn't exist. If God hated "x" race, they wouldn't exist. Who am I to say what God hates and doesn't hate?[/QUOTE] I just argue that Jesus (if he existed) was a prototypical Humanist, and that much of what he would believe, say, and do was lost when the religion worshiping him became a thing.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46824731]Wish I could feel good about who I was. Sadly all I can do is look in the mirror and see the face everyone else sees, a really fruity looking man. That's what's been beaten into me since birth, I can never be allowed to be a woman.[/QUOTE] Then fuck everyone else. Its your life, your body, your call. I myself am not a strong advocate of LGBT, but I'm not against someone doing what they feel is right (within logical reason of course.) Plus, I never have understood why people hate other people for having different opinions and thoughts on life.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46824869]Then fuck everyone else. Its your life, your body, your call. I myself am not a strong advocate of LGBT, but I'm not against someone doing what they feel is right (within logical reason of course.) Plus, I never have understood why people hate other people for having different opinions and thoughts on life.[/QUOTE] I wish it was my call. Sadly, the control I have over my life is just an illusion. I have to go to work as the wrong gender, I can't go out without being laughed at, I can't actively do anything to improve that.

I absolutely DESPISE parents like them. Its a god damn disgrace. If I had a kid who wanted to be transgender the first thing I'd say is, "I'm proud of you and love you no matter what. Now, lets go and get you some nice looking clothes." and support their transition as much as I possibly could. I just wish all parents would think that way.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824087]I guess I need to explain: He said that if someone holds an opinion that he believes is bad enough, and that they don't like people because of it, then he has the right to not like them back and to treat them badly. Guess what? I think his opinion is bad, and it is causing him to dislike and treat people badly because of it. According to his opinion I have the right to dislike and treat him badly. Don't you see how circular this is? It leads to nothing valuable.[/QUOTE] You don't understand. He's not advocating treating them as badly as they treat other people. He's advocating telling them they're assholes for hurting other people and trying to stop them from hurting others. That's not the same as actively hurting them. They're treating people badly because of some unchangeable fact about them. He's disliking them and telling them to stop, be informed, and be better people, because they're currently mistreating others. There's a difference between disliking someone because they're different and disliking someone because they're hurting people. To treat those two dislikes as equal is to show that you have no concept of context. I know your argument is going to be "well, in their view, homosexuality/transsexuality/etc. is a choice and is harmful, which is just the same as bigotry", but it isn't. They are [I]factually wrong[/I], and so would you be if you were to argue that. Also, I should mention that there are people who don't like homosexuality and transsexuality but still tolerate it and don't try to push their view in other people's faces, let alone harm people. Those people are okay. I disagree with them, but as long as they're not hurting anyone and actually follow "love the sinner, hate the sin" rather than "claim you love the sinner, passive-aggressively hate the sinner", they're fine.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46824910]I absolutely DESPISE parents like them. Its a god damn disgrace. If I had a kid who wanted to be transgender the first thing I'd say is, "I'm proud of you and love you no matter what. Now, lets go and get you some nice looking clothes." and support their transition as much as I possibly could. I just wish all parents would think that way.[/QUOTE] Nope gotta instill the fear of eternal damnation into the hearts of children that's what God would have wanted!! Remember Jesus loves you too that's why you'll burn hell because he loves you.

I have a friend in college who is a transexual and I admire her for the shit she goes through, she has to deal with her father who despises her for it and she's been suicidal nearly everyday over it. Luckily she's able to go on so far and perform some procedures to change her appearance and it works, she genuinely looks female. It's fantastic. Still it's awful knowing one day her father could push her over the edge and the next thing I hear is she's committed suicide. I try my best every time I can to support her and to let her know how great she's doing but it might not be enough.

oh god shit like this is so unbelievably fucked up. pathetic excuses for parents. man why can't we all just be cool with each other for who we are

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824564]Honestly, I haven't even argued that they are right, fair, or acceptable. Literally all I've done is try to explain the beliefs, where they come from, and how they work. That's it. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] Not everything has an ulterior motive. Like I said earlier, I want clarity, nothing more. I want to understand you and I want you to understand me. In my mind, that's enough. Once we all perfectly understand each other than the truth should be obvious.[/QUOTE] I wonder why you didn't point out the religious ceremonies? The roman catholic sect is a lot more humanistic than the text in the bible, but it still attracts the Baby boomer crowd.

Oh god I feel sick from reading that note. I've been in the exact mindset that leads to the creation of a note like that. I've WRITTEN a note like that. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing that such terrible things are still commonplace. The parents are quite simply horrible. They didn't want to help their daughter. They wanted to fucking "cure" her. Despicable.

I just really hope somehow this causes some help. I could use an escape from my parents, and this city. I'm at my wit's end and I just don't know what to do anymore. I've been writing suicide notes in my head for weeks.

I actually took my time reading the whole thread Some of you here really disgust me But I am glad that most of you were better than all the hate I also had to deal with parents who didn't give a rats behind for their children, not first hand, but through a friend. that poor guy was bullied for not fitting in (he generally wasn't good at socializing). I didn't realize how bad the problem at home was until he showed up to school one day with a broken arm and no cast. It turned out he was hit by a stinking car and his damn parents refused to do a thing and forced him to school. He refused to go get medical help himself, to the point I literally had to drag him out of class to the nurses office. It didn't help how so many other students refused to be with him too, how so much of the school refused to help him, and he had useless, careless parents. And of course one day it ended. He never showed up to school again. No one even knows what happened. There was no suicide from what I know and the school refused to acknowledge anything. All that I have left is his steam account on my friendslist, which hasn't been active for years. And today I come here and read this, a suicide note of someone going through a terrible life, just for their own parents to cover it up to protect their own faces.

Who wants to send her a nice message on Facebook?

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46824888]I wish it was my call. Sadly, the control I have over my life is just an illusion. I have to go to work as the wrong gender, I can't go out without being laughed at, I can't actively do anything to improve that.[/QUOTE] I don't know what it's like to be trapped in my own body but I do know what being trapped in poverty feels like. So many rich, snobby assholes live in the same town as me too, I think we actually have one of the highest concentration of wealthy assholes in the nation since it's such a good vacation spot. Every day I'd get looked down on because of the simplest things, like my jeans and shoes being obviously old and falling apart. A lot of people ignored me, or looked right through me, and at the worst times showed open contempt for me simply because I was poor. I know it isn't anything as horrible as you experience, but I just wanted you to know that I have some understanding of being looked down on, due to circumstances you can't control. I also know that talking about it helps more than you'd think, so you can PM me any time.

So sad to hear about this. I can't help but imagine that if I had come out and tried to transition at that age, I would have ended up the same way, and for much the same reason.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46824953]I just really hope somehow this causes some help. I could use an escape from my parents, and this city. I'm at my wit's end and I just don't know what to do anymore. I've been writing suicide notes in my head for weeks.[/QUOTE] Don't. As ridiculous as it sounds, things will get better. Every valley has hills. [QUOTE=PaperBurrito;46824975]Who wants to send her a nice message on Facebook?[/QUOTE] That would accomplish nothing but make the mother feel like a victim and thus "in the right" because she is so victimized.

[QUOTE=da space core;46824999]Don't. As ridiculous as it sounds, things will get better. Every valley has hills.[/QUOTE] People always tell me that but things always just keep going downhill. No matter how hard I try to see things differently, I just see myself ending up like that poor girl. I'm terrified of it but I don't see any way out anymore..

[QUOTE=Last or First;46824920]I disagree with them, but as long as they're not hurting anyone and actually follow "love the sinner, hate the sin" rather than "claim you love the sinner, passive-aggressively hate the sinner", they're fine.[/QUOTE] What would you define as hurting someone in this context?

Are you transgender, Shark Bones? If that's not a weird question to ask...

[QUOTE=Foogooman;46825026]Are you transgender, Shark Bones?[/QUOTE] Yes, I am indeed.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46825030]Yes, I am indeed.[/QUOTE] Okay, well, I am too... if you ever need someone to talk to you can PM me. I'm nearly 8 months into transition now, and things really do get better, even though I wouldn't have believed that 6+ months ago. I've been through a lot related to my gender, and still deal with a lot, so maybe I could help...

I'm 10 months into HRT and things just keep getting harder and harder. If I lose my job and lose my HRT, I will kill myself. There's just no way of avoiding that.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46825047]I'm 10 months into HRT and things just keep getting harder and harder. If I lose my job and lose my HRT, I will kill myself. There's just no way of avoiding that.[/QUOTE] I actually just lost my job today, and am fleeing my home state to California. No matter how drastic, there's always a way. California has free health care coverage under Medi-Cal for transgender people. I'm faced with homelessness but I know I will make it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46825060]A permanent solution to a temporary problem. Might I suggest speaking to a therapist? There are ways to make anything covered by insurance. I mean ANYTHING. It's all in how the paperwork is worded.[/QUOTE] Not in California.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46825047]I'm 10 months into HRT and things just keep getting harder and harder. If I lose my job and lose my HRT, I will kill myself. There's just no way of avoiding that.[/QUOTE] i think you should go try and talk about this with someone in private or even in the cd/tg would be a better place

[QUOTE=Foogooman;46825063]I actually just lost my job today, and am fleeing my home state to California. No matter how drastic, there's always a way. California has free health care coverage under Medi-Cal for transgender people. I'm faced with homelessness but I know I will make it.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. Whoever told you that lied to you, just a warning.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46825064]Not in California.[/QUOTE] Absolutely in California, the law requires that transgender healthcare is included

[QUOTE=Foogooman;46825076]Absolutely in California, the law requires that transgender healthcare is included[/QUOTE] I've lived here my entire life. I pay $200+ for HRT a month. It is not covered here. You have been lied to.