Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

Horrible story, parents like that are the sort of thing that makes me thankful I grew up without hearing such feelings until I was mature enough to think reasonably about these things. Despciable that people like this are out there and don't get comeuppance. Interesting thread, do wish there was updates on how this will affect funeral proceedings or the parents. I noticed the mom's Facebook has gone private, so it certainly seems fallout is coming. Also, my sympathies to Shark Bones. I'd try to say something nice and reassurative to your condition, but I'm afraid of it coming off as hollow. At the very least, sharks are cool to me, so that's a nice avatar you have.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823904]You're a bigot because you don't care about understanding others and only want to establish the moral high ground.[/QUOTE] if you're gonna come out with nothing but these terrible "WAAH WHAT ABOUT ME" posts then you need to stop and curb your persecution complex, asap. stop making it explicitly about you

I wonder if the mother could be charged with neglecting her own daughter, reading the note published it seems like the motivation to kill herself stemmed purely from her Mum and Dad's hardcore christianity belief It also opens up the question how many others are suffering under the same shit she suffered from in the world and especially in the US

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46825706]apathy also does nothing to fix an issue. promoting awareness so others can learn does[/QUOTE] Promoting awareness to bigots does nothing. Promote awareness all you want, I'm all for it, it can teach people, but the bigots will just stamp their feet and stick their fingers in their ears. Trying to convince someone who's mind is already made does nothing but waste your time.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46825761]Promoting awareness to bigots does nothing. Promote awareness all you want, I'm all for it, it can teach people, but the bigots will just stamp their feet and stick their fingers in their ears. Trying to convince someone who's mind is already made does nothing but waste your time.[/QUOTE] I agree that much of the time you're wasting your breath. But I truly feel if you want to be the "better man" in these situations, one has to separate themselves from that and do their best to always be explanatory in the most clear manner possible and try to explain why they're wrong. They may not even pay attention. They probably don't most of the time. I think it's worth the effort because you can never change an opinion with indifference, hatred, or bigotry. Compassion is always, and has always been the only way to talk to people successfully across all these boundaries. Sure, you can't win every battle, but I don't feel like we should be hate filled against hate filled people just because they're hate filled. It doesn't help anyone and you can't pretend to be the better person if you're just as angry as those people. There's something to be said for anger having it's place, but you're not going to really fix a lot of these problems with that anger on your sleeve.

[IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/a4e5aca902b5d123e1461d560fbf7a2f/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o1_1280.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/13105a28dd1cd361e9ed0d106dbf02ed/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o2_1280.jpg[/IMG] Could be a fake acc but if it's not, I hope you enjoy jail love

holy fuck what a terrible person

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46825847][IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/a4e5aca902b5d123e1461d560fbf7a2f/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o1_1280.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/13105a28dd1cd361e9ed0d106dbf02ed/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o2_1280.jpg[/IMG] Could be a fake acc but if it's not, I hope you enjoy jail love[/QUOTE] Her whole Facebook seems to be wiped clean. Hard to say.

[QUOTE=Nidhogg;46825894]Her whole Facebook seems to be wiped clean. Hard to say.[/QUOTE] probably in extreme damage control

[QUOTE=Nasi Nebula;46825517]Why do you want to be a woman when (I assume) you're attracted to women? If it's some sort of kink, surely you'd get more pleasure boning the girl than scissoring her with a fake vanny.[/QUOTE] wow it's almost like lesbians exist [QUOTE=ridinmybike;46825551]No one should commit suicide. i don't care what cards life plays on you. It's a very selfish act, I bet she would have felt different in a couple of years..[/QUOTE] if anything it's selfish of you to want someone to remain on the earth in perpetual suffering just to bring you momentary comfort why should your happiness be contingent upon someone else's suffering there are better reasons to tell people not to commit suicide than that stupid shitty TV movie logic.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46825847][IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/a4e5aca902b5d123e1461d560fbf7a2f/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o1_1280.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/13105a28dd1cd361e9ed0d106dbf02ed/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o2_1280.jpg[/IMG] Could be a fake acc but if it's not, I hope you enjoy jail love[/QUOTE] 90% sure it's fake based on the word "fuckery"

Oh man, I think I'm approaching this situation right now. It's not because of gender though. My muslim parents absolutely can't accept that I'm leaning more towards atheism. They're like "we don't need a pagan in this house", and shit like that. It's really mentally and emotionally exhausting, I can tell you. For every small mistake I make it's always because "you don't have god in you", and they call me stuff like Satanas, and crap. I've read the Qu'ran. I've read the Bible. And from what I see of everyone, it's all fucking hypocrisy. The priests at our school are fucking hypocrites. My muslim relatives are fucking hypocrites. How can I believe in something like that. Why should I believe in something that fucking condemns other people to I don't know, hell? Fuck. If I know, I do good stuff much more fucking often than people who just pray all day. There was one day that I just blew up and said that they were hypocrites and man, I got rekd good. They also want me to stop using the internet, since it's apparently "the source of all the bullshit that's influencing me". Right now I'm just playing along and enduring it all until I'm capable enough to live on my own. And it's like doubly annoying because my girlfriend's dad doesn't approve of me because I'm apparently a muslim. What the fuck am I then? Not muslim enough to be muslim, not christian enough to be christian. I swear, in a non-secular place, being an atheist makes you want to kill yourself. Everything makes me fucking hate organized religion. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] Woah, I thought I'd be basking in dumbs right now because of the outright immaturity of my post, but really guys, thanks a lot for the words and insights. I really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46825624]You ever been suicidal?[/QUOTE] not only have i felt suicidal, but my uncle and my brother have both committed suicide. Suicide is a very selfish act because, those who do it see no other alternative too their problems, so they take it out on themselves and (may) blame others for what they have done. Killing yourself should never be an option. There are so many different ways this teen could have approached this without suicide. I feel bad for her, the family should have treated her differently, but in no way should she of committed suicide. No one should commit suicide

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46825735]if you're gonna come out with nothing but these terrible "WAAH WHAT ABOUT ME" posts then you need to stop and curb your persecution complex, asap. stop making it explicitly about you[/QUOTE] He got perma'd from the Refugee Camp. Man, it's times like these that I wish I could read other people's threads in there. I don't think he was really trolling, just being obstinate. [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;46825023]What would you define as hurting someone in this context?[/QUOTE] Well, for one, withdrawing them from school and isolating them from everyone just because they came out as gay. I would also argue being dead set against actually dealing with their child rather than "maybe if we throw more bibles at them, they'll become just like us". That could be caused by ignorance and/or stupidity rather than out of malice, but I don't think that excuses them, similar to how ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. It's worse if it's out of malice, but even if you hurt someone without meaning to, you still need to apologize and make it up to them.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;46826037]Oh man, I think I'm approaching this situation right now. It's not because of gender though. My muslim parents absolutely can't accept that I'm leaning more towards atheism. They're like "we don't need a pagan in this house", and shit like that. It's really mentally and emotionally exhausting, I can tell you. For every small mistake I make it's always because "you don't have god in you", and they call me stuff like Satanas, and crap. There was one day that I just blew up and said that they were hypocrites and man, I got rekd good. They also want me to stop using the internet, since it's apparently "the source of all the bullshit that's influencing me". Right now I'm just playing along and enduring it all until I'm capable enough to live on my own.[/QUOTE] Oh man, seeing the flag explains everything... coming from a country where Catholicism is basically state religion while at the same time with a vast Muslim population in the south (aka Marawi), that's a shit situation to be in my friend. Do your best to pull through. I feel for many in situations like this, whether it's from sexual orientation, gender, religion or personal views, parents can overdo it and possibly do more harm than good. For thousands of years this has been going on and yet, as a species, we still haven't gotten to the point where we just accept each other as humans, not divide because of our nationalities. We may be different in many ways but in the end, we're all human right? Hoping this may give some food for thought to your parents: "[I]Do not raise your children the way your parents raised you, they were born for a different time[/I]" - Ali ibn Abi Talib (600 A.D)

This actually happened to an acquaintance of mine, but she was also a close friend of a lot of my close friends. She felt she was a girl stuck in a guys body, and her mom wasn't accepting at first but then wound up accepting her but her dad flipped out and forced her mom to not accept it again. She wound up committing suicide, it was devastating.

[QUOTE=Exigent;46826137]This actually happened to an acquaintance of mine, but he was also a close friend of a lot of my close friends. He felt he was a girl stuck in a guys body, and his mom wasn't accepting at first but then wound up accepting him but his dad flipped out and forced his mom to not accept it again. He wound up committing suicide, it was devastating.[/QUOTE] so why are you calling her he even now

[QUOTE=TheHydra;46826146]so why are you calling her he even now[/QUOTE] Apologies, I knew her as a boy. Like I said we were just acquaintances.

-nvm this dude apologized-

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46825653]Don't know if I'm being a dick but: 1) if your parents don't love you for who you are they're doing it wrong 2) if you're going to kill yourself do it in a way which doesn't cause someone else to kill you. That farmer has to live with that for the rest of his life now.[/QUOTE] When you're at a suicidal point, your method of thought isn't "what's the least inconvenient way to kill myself," rather, "what's the quickest, easiest way to kill myself, at this precise moment?" For her, it was getting hit by a truck.

I don't agree with the mother and how they went about treating their child her entire life but from their viewpoint they are trying to help the only way they know how. Once again I do not agree with them, but basically the mother feels compelled to push her daughter away from her transgendered mindset and try to "save" her the only way she really knows. The mother is ignorant because of her beliefs and because of how she was raised to only believe what the bible says and deny any argument. It is unfortunate a life was lost because of the mothers stubborn beliefs. I have a child on the way and I don't see how I could live with myself knowing that I weighted the words of a book over the life of a obviously confused and depressed child. I believe in god but I dont believe in a god that would ever make someone choose their own salvation over the life of their child. I will never try to push my beliefs onto my child and I will try to guide them into making the choices that they feel are right as long as it doesn't break any laws.

"God doesn't make mistakes?" This reminds me of this one time on YouTube in the comments section of a video about a boy who now has hearing aids. It went something like this: Christian: God has given this child the ability to hear! Other YT User: Who made the kid deaf then? Never bring god into peoples disabilities or misfortunes; it makes you look like a disrespectful cunt. A big 'fuck you' to the parents for that. They have no respect.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;46826037]Oh man, I think I'm approaching this situation right now. It's not because of gender though. My muslim parents absolutely can't accept that I'm leaning more towards atheism. They're like "we don't need a pagan in this house", and shit like that. It's really mentally and emotionally exhausting, I can tell you. For every small mistake I make it's always because "you don't have god in you", and they call me stuff like Satanas, and crap. I've read the Qu'ran. I've read the Bible. And from what I see of everyone, it's all fucking hypocrisy. The priests at our school are fucking hypocrites. My muslim relatives are fucking hypocrites. How can I believe in something like that. Why should I believe in something that fucking condemns other people to I don't know, hell? Fuck. If I know, I do good stuff much more fucking often than people who just pray all day. There was one day that I just blew up and said that they were hypocrites and man, I got rekd good. They also want me to stop using the internet, since it's apparently "the source of all the bullshit that's influencing me". Right now I'm just playing along and enduring it all until I'm capable enough to live on my own. And it's like doubly annoying because my girlfriend's dad doesn't approve of me because I'm apparently a muslim. What the fuck am I then? Not muslim enough to be muslim, not christian enough to be christian. I swear, in a non-secular place, being an atheist makes you want to kill yourself. Everything makes me fucking hate organized religion.[/QUOTE] Dude I was totally in the same situation that you are with an ultra catholic mother living in a ultra catholic town (Bella Vista) If your girlfriend's father disses you because you "seem" to be a Muslim, then go ahead straight and talk to him. Tell him, with respect, no edginess involved "No sir, I don't believe in the teachings of the Qur'an and I don't believe in Allah. I don't hold a belief in any religion at all" If he still rejects, then fuck it and call it day. Try to avoid talking to him, change the topic if GOD comes up, etc etc. [QUOTE]I swear, in a non-secular place, being an atheist makes you want to kill yourself. Everything makes me fucking hate organized religion. [/QUOTE] I believe that by your comments, you are under 18 years old. And somewhat conflictive. Man, chill, really, you'll find out that the more conflictive you are, the worse it gets. Stop watching those Hitchens and Dawkings videos for a while, wait until you are somewhat more mature. I know what I'm saying. When you are in that "I fucking hate Churchs, Synagogues, everything. The only church that brings light is the one that burns" phase of your life, the previous authors are just combustible for the fire. My mother used to say to me "You don't believe because the devil is in you and you haven't let God into your heart". Mind you, I was 15 at the time she told me this and I was just starting to say "Hey, you know what? Organized Religion, this way, SUCKS. I'm out" Of course, I cried, told her she was wrong, etc etc. Drama stuff. Until I learned that by saying "Yadayada whatever bitches" and just keep on minding my business worked perfectly. Not taking the communion at school mass, religion teacher coming up and telling me "Why don't you go and take the communion?" "Because I don't believe in it". Plain as that. Period. *Something else*? "Yadayada whatever biatch" and kept on with my business (Which was standing still during that moment ofc) Just. Don't. Leave. Space. For. Argument "I don't believe in it" is totally different from "I don't believe Jesus reincarnates into the bread because scientifically...." Don't fucking suicide for social pressure due to religion issues. If anything at all, you're the superior guy who doesn't judges others based on their little holy book. Keep that in mind. EDIT: Yadayada whatever biatch can be: -Maybe next time -I'll think about it -Let me think it through -This is not the moment Etc etc

Im assuming the 10 pages of comments are edgy facepunch memes™ so ill skip over that and just say that one of my best friends, and some of the coolest people I've ever met were transgender. This is a topic that I will go out of my way to defend if it gets brought up. I'm not a tumblerina, I don't believe people should be associating their gender with rocks/rubber ducks/whatever, and I wont start fights over this shit. But I honestly thought the whole trans thing was major bullshit, until I met people who were, and that opened my mind. These were real people, and who would volunteer to get shit on for the rest of their life for a 'choice'? Its pretty damn real that you can feel uncomfortable in your body. Seeing someone transition is tough, seeing someone get picked on for being trans is tough, and its a really unnecessarily shitty life for trans people, and it shouldn't be. Honestly the dingle-dongs you're born with shouldn't matter for the rest of your life. I mean, its kinda fucked up, that people that will never see your junk care about it so much. /endrant

[QUOTE=Cornish;46826389]Im assuming the 10 pages of comments are edgy facepunch memes™ so ill skip over that and just say that one of my best friends, and some of the coolest people I've ever met were transgender. This is a topic that I will go out of my way to defend if it gets brought up. I'm not a tumblerina, I don't believe people should be associating their gender with rocks/rubber ducks/whatever, and I wont start fights over this shit. But I honestly thought the whole trans thing was major bullshit, until I met people who were, and that opened my mind. These were real people, and who would volunteer to get shit on for the rest of their life for a 'choice'? Its pretty damn real that you can feel uncomfortable in your body. Seeing someone transition is tough, seeing someone get picked on for being trans is tough, and its a really unnecessarily shitty life for trans people, and it shouldn't be. Honestly the dingle-dongs you're born with shouldn't matter for the rest of your life. I mean, its kinda fucked up, that people that will never see your junk care about it so much. /endrant[/QUOTE] if you bothered to read the thread you'd see 90% of the posts were in support you dunce [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;46824612]Thanks for not censoring her name. This shit infuriates me and I sent her a FB message just basically calling her a despicable parent. To be honest, I hope she gets lots of those and begins realizing what a piece of shit she is.[/QUOTE] Stop this, stop harassing and hounding the persons parents. they're shit parents and they're going through enough without people doxxing them and flinging shit directly at them

[QUOTE=Last or First;46826086]I would also argue being dead set against actually dealing with their child rather than "maybe if we throw more bibles at them, they'll become just like us". That could be caused by ignorance and/or stupidity rather than out of malice, but I don't think that excuses them, similar to how ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. It's worse if it's out of malice, but even if you hurt someone without meaning to, you still need to apologize and make it up to them.[/QUOTE] They took the child to a therapist, how is that not dealing with it? I doubt they sought out psychological help for their child out of malice. Also instead of being ignorant, it's perfectly possible they don't think your position is the right one.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;46826485]They took the child to a therapist, how is that not dealing with it? I doubt they sought out psychological help for their child out of malice. [B]Also instead of being ignorant, it's perfectly possible they don't think your position is the right one.[/B][/QUOTE] what is this even supposed to mean - better yet, why try to excuse transphobia

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;46826485]They took the child to a therapist, how is that not dealing with it? I doubt they sought out psychological help for their child out of malice. Also instead of being ignorant, it's perfectly possible they don't think your position is the right one.[/QUOTE] If you read the thread, or even, just the OP and the few posts dealing with the letter she wrote, you'd see they didn't take her to a professional psychologist. They took her to a highly biased, likely harmful form of christian therapy. As much as you would like to say that this is the best thing to happen to her, and that it would be beneficial to receive christian psychological help as opposed to secular psychological help, it is highly likely it was damaging. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] It doesn't matter if they don't agree with us that trans people should be given their rightful status and be dealt with in a way that grants them the same basic decency you or I receive, it really doesn't. The simple fact is they're hurting a person through their own "good intentions" and denying their daughter basic decency in acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, their daughter knew who she was.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46826505]If you read the thread, or even, just the OP and the few posts dealing with the letter she wrote, you'd see they didn't take her to a professional psychologist. They took her to a highly biased, likely harmful form of christian therapy. As much as you would like to say that this is the best thing to happen to her, and that it would be beneficial to receive christian psychological help as opposed to secular psychological help, it is highly likely it was damaging.[/QUOTE] According to the totally objective viewpoint of a psychologically unstable child who admitted to having a "fuck you" attitude towards their parents? I think it's at least reasonable to wait before assuming the parents were so terrible.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46825706]apathy also does nothing to fix an issue. promoting awareness so others can learn does[/QUOTE] Quote where I supported apathy, please.