Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

[quote]I'm not trying to be insensitive, but despite the parents being total imbeciles.. I think the teen should have had more respect for their wishes until she was old enough to fend for herself. I know it's awful but teenage depression is largely because of the relationship with parents. And with hormones going every which way in those years, I think it's important to slow that process right down until the person is really ready to become their own person. I see kids with depression all the time and it's the hardest thing to see in this day and age. [/quote] edit: you're all misconstruing that I'm blaming the teenager :(

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827577]I'm not trying to be insensitive, but despite the parents being total imbeciles.. I think the teen should have had more respect for their wishes until she was old enough to fend for herself. I know it's awful but teenage depression is largely because of the relationship with parents. And with hormones going every which way in those years, I think it's important to slow that process right down until the person is really ready to become their own person. I see kids with depression all the time and it's the hardest thing to see in this day and age.[/QUOTE] [I]Toddlers[/I] can know they're the wrong gender, I think a teenager can tell who she is. Slowing the process of a trans person's transition will only make their depression worse.

As someone who is against suicide, I think the teen took the coward way out. Again, I'm sorry for the social constructs and family pressure, but suicide is never the right solution. This is how kids are taught nowadays: "if I don't get what I want (whatever I want), how about ending all of this?". FP likes drama, and this is a great drama that depicts a common choice, sadly nonetheless.

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827577]I think the teen should have had more respect for their wishes until she was old enough to fend for herself.[/QUOTE] "I think she should've put herself through more years of psychological torture because wanting to avoid that hurt her parent's feelings" well while we're talking about hypothetical scenarios I personally think her parents shouldn't have driven her to suicide but that's just me

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827577]I'm not trying to be insensitive, but despite the parents being total imbeciles.. I think the teen should have had more respect for their wishes until she was old enough to fend for herself. I know it's awful but teenage depression is largely because of the relationship with parents. And with hormones going every which way in those years, I think it's important to slow that process right down until the person is really ready to become their own person. I see kids with depression all the time and it's the hardest thing to see in this day and age.[/QUOTE] [quote]When I was 16 I realized that my parents would never come around, and that I would have to wait until I was 18 to start any sort of transitioning treatment, which absolutely broke my heart. The longer you wait, the harder it is to transition. I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46827605]As someone who is against suicide, I think the teen took the coward way out. Again, I'm sorry for the social constructs and family pressure, but suicide is never the right solution. This is how kids are taught nowadays: "if I don't get what I want (whatever I want), how about ending all of this?". FP likes drama, and this is a great drama that depicts a common choice, sadly nonetheless.[/QUOTE] how can you be against suicide? its your life, how are you being selfish by taking what is yours? your life is the only thing you'll ever really have. other people are being selfish by requiring you to stay alive, not the other way around. i don't disagree that most of the time that suicide was preventable, but some situations are fucking shitty and suicide is understandable. namely this one. heres a quote to make my argument that much more pretentious: [quote]They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice... that suicide is wrong; when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46827605]As someone who is against suicide, I think the teen took the coward way out. Again, I'm sorry for the social constructs and family pressure, but suicide is never the right solution. This is how kids are taught nowadays: "if I don't get what I want (whatever I want), how about ending all of this?". FP likes drama, and this is a great drama that depicts a common choice, sadly nonetheless.[/QUOTE] christ you're an asshole

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;46827496]Both transgender identity and suicide are both topics that FP users are opiniated on and willing to debate on to the death in support of their opinion. Other threads where these kinds of debates show up on include: Bestiality Death sentence Lolicon Muslims Violent video games Gamergate etc. Long nonsensical debate in a SH thread is standard.[/QUOTE] To cause a shitstorm, choose one if the below sentences: I think it's okay to use lethal force to defend your material property. I think sometimes criminals just deserve to die. I think Islam is inherently evil. I think Israel has rights to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. I'm inclined to agree with Feminist Frequency. I don't think people should play games that involve murder. I think it's okay if someone wants to fuck their dog. I think lolicon is as bad as child porn. I like Fox News. I vote conservative. I think global warming is a hoax. Evolution is impossible and the world can't possibly be 2.4 billion years old. Oh and suicide is selfish and mental illnesses aren't real illnesses. (I don't actually think these things please don't kill me)

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827577]I'm not trying to be insensitive, but despite the parents being total imbeciles.. I think the teen should have had more respect for their wishes until she was old enough to fend for herself. I know it's awful but teenage depression is largely because of the relationship with parents. And with [b]hormones going every which way in those years, I think it's important to slow that process right down until the person is really ready to become their own person.[/b] [U]I see kids with depression all the time and it's the hardest thing to see in this day and age.[/U][/QUOTE] You're pinning the suicide of this girl not on her parents who tried to make her "not-trans", not on the mentalities of society that are predominantly transphobic, not the feeling of helplessness becasue of the way she was chained to her parents' shitty ideals, not the feelings of shame because of the way she was treated, but on [b]hormones?[/b] You need to give up these idea that "mother knows best," especially when her mother and her actions were her primary factor in her suicide. Sometimes people understand themselves better than anybody else. Shocking.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46825684]Pills,cliff,knife,asphixiation, drowning[/QUOTE] Except when all pills and knives have been taken away from you, there are no cliffs, rivers or ponds nearby and you want to die relatively painlessly and not by fucking drowning

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46827605]As someone who is against suicide, I think the teen took the coward way out. Again, I'm sorry for the social constructs and family pressure, but suicide is never the right solution. This is how kids are taught nowadays: "if I don't get what I want (whatever I want), how about ending all of this?". FP likes drama, and this is a great drama that depicts a common choice, sadly nonetheless.[/QUOTE] Suicidal people don't think that way. What seems like a rational conclusion to you is not the same for someone that is going through with killing themselves. Suicide goes against nature. You're brain is not function properly when you make the choice to do it. All it feels is pain and dread, to the point where suicide feels like the answer. It's not "oh no I didn't get an Xbox for Christmas I'm going to kill myself." It's "I'm so miserable being in the situation I'm in, nobody will miss me because I'm such a waste of space so why bother, I can end this pain now and be done with it." Depression and suicide is like standing on the 100th floor window of a burning building, fire burning away at your back, sweet crisp air at your front, and smoke rushing past your head clouding your judgment. It's true despair. Except the flames are invisible and everyone on the ground is yelling at him to take the stairs. Then they blame him after he finally jumps.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46827616]"When I was 16 I realized that my parents would never come around, and that I would have to wait until I was 18 to start any sort of transitioning treatment, which absolutely broke my heart. The longer you wait, the harder it is to transition. I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life."[/QUOTE] Yes, but she was not of age and again, it is in these years where hormones are really raging. The depression was made worse because of the relationship with the parents.

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827677]Yes, but she was not of age and again, it is in these years where hormones are really raging. The depression was made worse because of the relationship with the parents.[/QUOTE] okay so maybe thats true, but whos at fault for them having a bad relationship?

[QUOTE=AK'z;46827677]Yes, but she was not of age and again, it is in these years where hormones are really raging. The depression was made worse because of the relationship with the parents.[/QUOTE] What the hell do hormones have to do with anything? She didn't kill herself because she was an irrational teenager. She killed herself because of her parents constant neglect and refusal to provide any real help.

[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;46827639]You're pinning the suicide of this girl not on her parents[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46827679]okay so maybe thats true, but whos at fault for them having a bad relationship?[/QUOTE] No. I'm only after a solution which is realistic. I personally put the blame on the parents. [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46827679]okay so maybe thats true, but whos at fault for them having a bad relationship?[/QUOTE] [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;46827681]What the hell do hormones have to do with anything? She didn't kill herself because she was an irrational teenager. She killed herself because of her parents constant neglect and refusal to provide any real help.[/QUOTE] Evidently it was more than that which caused her depression.

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46827605]As someone who is against suicide, I think the teen took the coward way out. Again, I'm sorry for the social constructs and family pressure, but suicide is never the right solution. This is how kids are taught nowadays: "if I don't get what I want (whatever I want), how about ending all of this?". FP likes drama, and this is a great drama that depicts a common choice, sadly nonetheless.[/QUOTE] I swear to god, nothing is more insulting than assholes who call suicide victims selfish, cowards, or stupid. Look, I'm going to break down all fucking three. Selfish, I just plain don't get this one. What's selfish about it? That you make people feel bad? Boo fucking hoo. Y'know what's selfish? Blaming someone for committing suicide because it makes [I]you[/I] feel bad. Imagine how fucking awful it feels to be that person that they want to be [I]dead.[/I] Humanity's collective worst fear is death, and they [I]desire it.[/I] That's how fucking awful it is to be them. Cowards. You neither have nor apparently know the sheer balls it takes to kill yourself. Ok, could you kill yourself right now? And I don't mean this in an internet troll huhuh kill yourself faggot way, I mean if I were to give you the means would you be able to push yourself to end your own life? Chances are no, but suicide is a choice, and these people make it. They have the sheer balls to pull the trigger, step off the chair, slice themselves with a knife, step in front of a car or jump off the ledge. They [I]choose[/I] to die. That's balls. But no, they're 'cowards' because they're not 'able' to stand up to whatever they're up against and 'see it through'. But guess what, you can't always overcome what you're up against. Suicidal people may be facing homelessness, disease, a far worse death, being permanently entrapped, clinical depression that will [I]never[/I] go away, or a wide fucking variety of things. But no, I guess, say, that one lady who killed herself instead of being captured by ISIS was a dirty coward. If you think this, y'know what you are? You're that [I]fucking[/I] guy who sees someone get robbed and goes on about how they'd pull some sick moves and kill the robber. In reality, you don't know shit about what that person is going through and you'd just as fucking soon buckle. Stupid. I'll sum this up with a quote from Macklemore. Sure, perhaps no Greek philosopher, but he sums it up well: "Suicide is stupid? You wanna know what is stupid? Hurting someone so much emotionally that they think suicide is the answer." Stop blaming the victim, stop saying they're selfish, cowards, stupid, or whatever fucked up thing you wanna label them. You have a right to life. It's [I]your[/I] choice to end it if you want. Maybe we should stop insulting suicide victims and start looking at the fuckers who made them choose it in the first place?

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;46827568]To use your example - no, if you accidentally ran over someone with your car and you didn't intend to, then you aren't a murderer or a psychopath. You're still responsible for their death, though. And in this case, it's more comparable to drunk driving. You know it's dangerous, you know it kills people, and people are expected to know better - people suffer such severe penalties for it as a result. These parents acted in a way that was grossly negligent of their child. They are heavily responsible for her death.[/QUOTE] when in the FUCK did I say that they were not responsible? [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] do you people literally not read or something jesus fuck

[QUOTE=OvB;46827669]It's "I'm so miserable being in the situation I'm in, nobody will miss me because I'm such a waste of space so why bother, I can end this pain now and be done with it."[/QUOTE] It's a ridiculously terrifying feeling to have. Often times I am out driving, and while I thoroughly enjoy driving, I get an overwhelming urge to just turn my car infront of a truck or into a wall because I don't want to burden anyone anymore. I'd never do it, as I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else in my attempt, and I have such a low tolerance to pain that anything else just turns my stomach on the off chance it doesn't work. I also promised I wouldn't, which sounds stupid but means alot to me. But it really is difficult to get across to people who say it's selfish just how absolutely heart breaking it is to think "If I drive into this wall, everyone will just have one less burden. Am I bad for not doing it?"

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;46827717]This is terrible and all but she chose perhaps the most selfish way to take her own life. You're hurting inside, everything is awful, sure. But there's no reason to spead that pain to other people like that.[/QUOTE] Listen, I've been there before. For the longest time, and still every now and then, every single time a car came down the road my mind was screaming at me to jump in front. I objectively know it's not a good thing to do but it wasn't and isn't in several suicidal's people's capacity to [I]care.[/I] Even [I]consider[/I] it. There's only one thing on their mind, and that's dying. They're desperate and if you push them far enough they really [I]couldn't[/I] care anymore, and if need be they'll come up with whatever they can to justify it. It's a fight or flight instinct but focused towards killing yourself.

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;46827614]"I think she should've put herself through more years of psychological torture because wanting to avoid that hurt her parent's feelings" well while we're talking about hypothetical scenarios I personally think her parents shouldn't have driven her to suicide but that's just me[/QUOTE] I was talking about a solution, the matter of feeling and emotion over this is immaterial when a person has committed suicide. You will not be able to communicate what you're saying to each and every parent because in this day and age parents really aren't impressionable any more. If the person was abused, then it's a different matter entirely. But this case is among most other cases of teenage depression, which is largely due to personal crisis and relationship with parents.

[retracted] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46827727]Listen, I've been there before. For the longest time, and still every now and then, every single time a car came down the road my mind was screaming at me to jump in front. I objectively know it's not a good thing to do but it wasn't and isn't in several suicidal's people's capacity to [I]care.[/I] Even [I]consider[/I] it. There's only one thing on their mind, and that's dying. They're desperate and if you push them far enough they really [I]couldn't[/I] care anymore, and if need be they'll come up with whatever they can to justify it. It's a fight or flight instinct but focused towards killing yourself.[/QUOTE] Now that I've read this post it seems to me like you simply overreacted a little bit and there was no implication that I found in your post in the quote above, so I overreacted too. I retract the judgmental statements I made, but I still think you need to say what you said a little bit more... correct, I guess. Suicide is not about balls, and no one should think it is. It is about pain and suffering to the point where cowardice or balls cease to exist as a matter of consideration.

[QUOTE=gudman;46827789][retracted] Now that I've read this post it seems to me like you simply overreacted a little bit and there was no implication that I found in your post in the quote above, so I overreacted too. I retract the judgmental statements I made, but I still think you need to say what you said a little bit more... correct, I guess.[/QUOTE] Yeah, maybe I did, but you gotta understand, I hear this shit all the time and being someone who has a long history of suicidal thoughts and attempts and knowing several other people going through the same, it's extremely insulting to me when people say shit like that. I admit I'm very prone to emotional outbursts and big 'fuck you' rants when I get like that.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46827803]I'm not glorifying suicide, nor am I saying that committing suicide is brave. I'm far more interested in dismantling the idea that it's 'cowardice' than I am in promoting it as being brave, and I'm well aware that suicide can be somewhat of a, well, I can't think of any other term but kneejerk decision. I never planned any of my suicide attempts, that's for sure.[/QUOTE] That's okay, I understand it now. "Coward way out" is something one might say if they've only know about suffering, depression and pain in movies. Certainly a dead person won't feel a thing about judged after the fact, but it doesn't make this "judgmental" person any less of a dick. Uninformed dick. I mean, yeah, good for you if you've only ever read books about suffering. But what makes people feel entitled to say something about other people's experiences that they themselves never had, is beyond me as well.

I'm going to try to avoid all the drama and arguements, I just think it's fucked up that some humans can't just accept other humans.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;46825684]Pills,cliff,knife,asphixiation, drowning[/QUOTE] Pills have a low chance of actually working. A cliff/other high place might actually not kill you, depending on the height, you'd be amazed the heights the human body can survive. By knife I guess you mean slitting your wrists, which has another low chance of actually working. And drowning is one of the worst deaths you can have, there's a reason why it's simulated in torture.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46825847][IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/a4e5aca902b5d123e1461d560fbf7a2f/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o1_1280.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/13105a28dd1cd361e9ed0d106dbf02ed/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o2_1280.jpg[/IMG] Could be a fake acc but if it's not, I hope you enjoy jail love[/QUOTE] i doubt it's real, it looks like something someone would dump on tumblr to get as many notes as possible from people who are pissed off at her [QUOTE][IM-G]https://33.media.tumblr.com/13105a28dd1cd361e9ed0d106dbf02ed/tumblr_nhfa3hKpjz1qde9k6o2_1280.jpg[/-IMG][/QUOTE] in fact [I]it is[/I] on tumblr

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;46828157]i doubt it's real, it looks like something someone would dump on tumblr to get as many notes as possible from people who are pissed off at her in fact [I]it is[/I] on tumblr[/QUOTE] I believe the op already removed it from their tumblr and apologized, saying they didn't know it'd get that popular. That's what I heard anyway I may be wrong.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;46828161]I believe the op already removed it from their tumblr and apologized, saying they didn't know it'd get that popular. That's what I heard anyway I may be wrong.[/QUOTE] if they removed it then good on them the woman is pretty terrible for what she did but shoving words into her mouth like that is only stooping down to her level

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46824809]Hi. I'm a Christian. And I love you. For everything you are, for everything you ever were. I love you. Because that's what Christianity is supposed to be, the church has long been caught on everything the bible says to not like, and they've lost sight of what Christ actually taught, which was love. Unconditional love. It isn't my place to hate you, to damn you, to despise you, because you are as you were created, a human being, perfectly imperfect. For too long we've spoken about what we're supposed to hate, but I contend that if God actually hated as much as what supposed christians preach about, they simply wouldn't exist at all. If God hated homosexuals they wouldn't exist. If God hated transsexuals they wouldn't exist. If God hated "x" race, they wouldn't exist. Who am I to say what God hates and doesn't hate?[/QUOTE] This is really late, but I'm trans and I'm catholic, and this is EXACTLY what I was taught in my nun-run school while living in Spain.

Oh wow.... some more information, a post she made an /r/asktransgender a couple of months ago. It goes into more detail about what her parents did to her. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/2km6yt/is_this_considered_abuse/[/url]