Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

SNIP Sorry Suff.

Also facepunchers and their individual opinions do not demonstrate the LGBT movement or anything of that sort. That is really silly to think or say.

-snip- misread it

Despite how mistreated (s)he was (I mean the 5 months of isolation is completely unwarranted, there is nothing to contend there) I can't completely sympathize with his suicide. He complains about "the weight of thinking about college, saving money to move out, and keeping my grades up", which is something that almost everyone faces. There are tons of resources to aid someone in all of these things. And he complains about how much he hated going to church, so why not just stop going to church? He already talked about moving out, so what better time to separate yourself from something that gave you grief? As for the last bit at the end, where he talks about selling all his stuff for trans rights groups and "my death needs to mean something", if he really cared that much about a cause like transgender issues then would he have really been motivated to just kill himself? We live in an age where information and support are supplied in great abundance through the Internet. Did the thought of reaching out to like-minded transgender people just NEVER cross his mind? He was put in a very shitty situation, yes, but it's not like he never had any chance or resource to try and sooth his depression. He didn't need to resort to suicide so soon.

did [I]he[/I] drop any good loot? [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick troll" - verynicelady))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Flapjacks;46831788]-snip- misread it[/QUOTE] Did you even read that "quote"? Dayum... Someone gives his life to save another who is in mortal danger. It's a selfless "suicide", morally. A definitive form of "loving your neighbor"...

[QUOTE=geel9;46831730]this is the problem with the lgbt rights movement the dude made a mistake and called her Joshua instead of Leelah. Correct him politely instead of being a massive cunt about it and maybe people will start taking the movement seriously.[/QUOTE] Calling someone the wrong pronoun, something that can easily be done through an incorrect assumption of the persons preferred gender through appearance. And calling someone the incorrect name. Are not equivocal. Calling someone the incorrect name shows you looked at the person enough to learn their name, and [B]still[/B], actively, used the incorrect name. It's not an "accident", it's straight up malice or bigotry.

Man, I was saddened/furious already when I was reading through the thread, but going through her Tumblr and Reddit just made it even worse. So many shared interests, she seemed like a genuinely interesting person with a lot of potential... Fuck the parents, seriously

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46831827]Did you even read that "quote"? Dayum... Someone gives his life to save another who is in mortal danger. It's a selfless "suicide", morally. A definitive form of "loving your neighbor"...[/QUOTE] Not only did he state he misread it, but I'm not even going to bother going on about how you and everyone else who goes on about suicide is a daft ass about it and have a terrible attitude. Move on.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46831699]Actually from a Christian point of view, suicide is perhaps the worst sin you can commit and it's punishable by an eternity of torment and agony unimaginable by any living person. So you'll forgive me if I file the Christian point of view in the trash[/QUOTE] Really the only thing separating an eternity of prosperity or suffering in a Christian perspective is the acceptance of Jesus Christ. Suicide is considered a sinful act but that alone doesn't determine someone's fate.

I truly feel sorry for her, UNCONDITIONALLY, and I also feel sorry for the driver too :(

[QUOTE=Suff;46831562]Exactly. Most have never been that far in the rut. It's very awful. May Joshua rest in peace.[/QUOTE] neither have i, but anyone with a quarter heart cane put themselves in the position.

[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;46831917]neither have i, but anyone with a quarter heart cane put themselves in the position.[/QUOTE] Honestly, you may think you do, but if you haven't been through depression, you'll have little to no idea what is feels like.

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46831595]I'm amazed over and over about some FPers' mentality. I wasn't attacking the teen's person, but his/her gesture. I won't change my opinion: suicide (in any form, alone or involving others) is a [B]coward act[/B]. Some will ponder that "it's your life man, do whatever" or "fuck the others, it's my life". But from a christian point of view, suicide is the easy way out, an easy solution to escape problems / pain / suffering / pressure / responsability. It's a selfish act, because it involves the ego of a person, and its inability / lack of coping with (unthreatening) life problems. I'm not ignoring the transgender issue and I understand the social pressure involved. Still, the only form of suicide acceptable to me would be jumping in front of a bus, shoving someone from its path, dieing instead. It's a "deliberate" suicide, but in a pure 100% selfless manner.[/QUOTE] It's not that simple. 'suicide' isn't a ''fuck you'', it's a final solution. She didn't commit suicide to hurt her friends, she committed suicide as an escape from an undesirable life in which she was severely depressed and continuously suffered, without any support. You will not understand until you have been depressed, severely. I'm sure many FP'ers here have been there, and can understand enough to have sympathy and express understanding. edit; I'm not encouraging suicide as an option, but rather it shouldn't be discounted as 'cowardice', for it requires dire cercumstances for a person to select such an option.

[QUOTE=Suff;46832334]it shouldn't be discounted as 'cowardice', for it requires dire cercumstances for a person to select such an option.[/QUOTE] When I was depressed I tried to kill myself but didn't have the balls to Taking your own life is fucking scary and takes the most balls a person can have

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;46832359]When I was depressed I tried to kill myself but didn't have the balls to Taking your own life is fucking scary and takes the most balls a person can have[/QUOTE] How the FUCK did we get to a point where people are treating suicide as an act of great courage...

[QUOTE=Bargatius;46831803]did [I]he[/I] drop any good loot?[/QUOTE] Welcome to facepunch, may I take your co-..never mind you probably won't be staying here long after a first horrible shitpost like that. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832448]How the FUCK did we get to a point where people are treating suicide as an act of great courage...[/QUOTE] You've never felt suicidal for any reason have you? Some people just can't handle what they are going through and living is unbearable for them. Don't act as if everyone can manhandle life and plow through shitty situations and be perfectly mentally and emotionally sound.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;46832359]When I was depressed I tried to kill myself but didn't have the balls to Taking your own life is fucking scary and takes the most balls a person can have[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832448]How the FUCK did we get to a point where people are treating suicide as an act of great courage...[/QUOTE] I do not intend to belittle, or make less of your experience with depression, Sebi, and I do speak in respect to replying to run&gun's question. It's not an act of 'great courage', but it calls immediate attention to problems due to the dire distress of the person, and what distress could have resulted in the decision. There is depression. There is severe depression, and then there is a form of depression that runs even deeper. It's unlike the others in that this depression is so terrible. Where life holds so little meaning, where there is little hope and nothing to look forward too. Nobody seems to care, and at the same time nobody seems to matter. You look back on good memories, they hurt, especially when those friends have moved on, but the memories of those who screwed you over, or wronged you are memories that occupy you the most. This is the depression that makes you far more comfortable with 'pulling the trigger. It is not a question of courage, but rather the amount of distress and heartache.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46831801]Despite how mistreated (s)he was (I mean the 5 months of isolation is completely unwarranted, there is nothing to contend there) I can't completely sympathize with his suicide. He complains about "the weight of thinking about college, saving money to move out, and keeping my grades up", which is something that almost everyone faces. There are tons of resources to aid someone in all of these things. And he complains about how much he hated going to church, so why not just stop going to church? He already talked about moving out, so what better time to separate yourself from something that gave you grief? As for the last bit at the end, where he talks about selling all his stuff for trans rights groups and "my death needs to mean something", if he really cared that much about a cause like transgender issues then would he have really been motivated to just kill himself? We live in an age where information and support are supplied in great abundance through the Internet. Did the thought of reaching out to like-minded transgender people just NEVER cross his mind? He was put in a very shitty situation, yes, but it's not like he never had any chance or resource to try and sooth his depression. He didn't need to resort to suicide so soon.[/QUOTE] Holy fucking shit, dude. Do you not understand the extent of how fucked her situation was? And before I go further, she is a girl. That fact alone is the basis of the circumstance that drove her to her suicide. To completely disregard that fact is to OBJECTIVELY disregard the situation. Therefore, you cannot possibly begin to address the situation, because you refuse to acknowledge its core. Furthermore, your entire posts reeks of misunderstanding and ignorance. I'm gonna break it down for you. [QUOTE]He complains about "the weight of thinking about college, saving money to move out, and keeping my grades up", which is something that almost everyone faces. There are tons of resources to aid someone in all of these things.[/QUOTE] You are correct in your assumption that many people face the challenges of growing up, but think. This is a challenge ALREADY coupled with her isolation within an environment which consists of her parents believing that she needs to be treated with methods completely detrimental to her cause. Stating that many people face the challenge of college, money, and grades does not invalidate her struggle. That statement alone is a logical fallacy, and frankly, completely disrespectful to anyone who is stressed over those things (which counts for a lot of fucking people). [QUOTE] And he complains about how much he hated going to church, so why not just stop going to church? He already talked about moving out, so what better time to separate yourself from something that gave you grief?[/QUOTE] Imagine this: you live in a household controlled by parents who require you to go to church, regardless if you don't want to. That circumstance alone is hard to contest when you're only a teenager. [QUOTE]As for the last bit at the end, where he talks about selling all his stuff for trans rights groups and "my death needs to mean something", if he really cared that much about a cause like transgender issues then would he have really been motivated to just kill himself?[/QUOTE] Listen, this is the motive of someone who had nothing to live for. The wording of the letter alone very clearly illustrated that she just wanted to die. Indeed, she wanted her death to mean something, but she was already ready to die. Her death did mean something, as it invoked a topic that is consistently being addressed by many people everywhere. Her story is trending on Twitter, so that alone is doing much. I'm not even going to address your last three sentences, because you obviously didn't read the letter thoroughly enough.

[IMG]http://cashclickerpro.net/kpdbix.png[/IMG] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

How the hell do you get run over by a tractor trailer?

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;46832735]How the hell do you get run over by a tractor trailer?[/QUOTE] I think it's another term for truck, like lorry is in the UK.

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;46832735]How the hell do you get run over by a tractor trailer?[/QUOTE] It's a semi-trailer, she moved in front of it.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;46832741]I think it's another term for truck, like lorry is in the UK.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, that makes more sense. I was imagining how a tractor suicide would even play out. [img]https://www.deere.com/common/media/images/product/tractors/r4d042782_8Rtractor_762x458.jpg[/img] Slowly, I'd imagine.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;46832655]Holy fucking shit, dude. Do you not understand the extent of how fucked her situation was? And before I go further, she is a girl. That fact alone is the basis of the circumstance that drove her to her suicide. To completely disregard that fact is to OBJECTIVELY disregard the situation. Therefore, you cannot possibly begin to address the situation, because you refuse to acknowledge its core. Furthermore, your entire posts reeks of misunderstanding and ignorance. I'm gonna break it down for you. You are correct in your assumption that many people face the challenges of growing up, but think. This is a challenge ALREADY coupled with her isolation within an environment which consists of her parents believing that she needs to be treated with methods completely detrimental to her cause. Stating that many people face the challenge of college, money, and grades does not invalidate her struggle. That statement alone is a logical fallacy, and frankly, completely disrespectful to anyone who is stressed over those things (which counts for a lot of fucking people). Imagine this: you live in a household controlled by parents who require you to go to church, regardless if you don't want to. That circumstance alone is hard to contest when you're only a teenager. Listen, this is the motive of someone who had nothing to live for. The wording of the letter alone very clearly illustrated that she just wanted to die. Indeed, she wanted her death to mean something, but she was already ready to die. Her death did mean something, as it invoked a topic that is consistently being addressed by many people everywhere. Her story is trending on Twitter, so that alone is doing much. I'm not even going to address your last three sentences, because you obviously didn't read the letter thoroughly enough.[/QUOTE] Never said her struggle was invalidated. Read my first sentence. That's not my point. My point, which you even quoted, is that he, like everybody else, has access to resources and eternal support that can aid someone dealing with these things. While we'll never know the full picture, he doesn't particularly outline himself at least trying to juggle these, and if he did end up getting scholarly/federal/financial aid but tried passing it off as him being completely on his own then that's just embellishing the problem. He said he was raising money to move out of the house. He was obviously on the right track for solving the church problem. He had nothing to live for yet felt strongly enough about a civil issue enough to want it spread across the country and beyond? Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. would have had as big of an impact on the Civil Rights Movement if he committed suicide and left a note detailing his grievances with racial segregation? Of course you won't address my last three sentences because you can't think of a response to them. Whether you chose to believe it or not, I read the note. For someone who specifically details his parents giving his phone back and getting back onto social media, you'd have to weave one hell of a tale to convince me that he didn't have access to the Internet, that he never once browsed around for transgender topics on Google. And if by some freak chance that he didn't, then that's pure inaction on his part.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832885]Never said her struggle was invalidated. Read my first sentence. That's not my point. My point, which you even quoted, is that she, like everybody else, has access to resources and eternal support that can aid someone dealing with these things. While we'll never know the full picture, she doesn't particularly outline herself at least trying to juggle these, and if she did end up getting scholarly/federal/financial aid but tried passing it off as her being completely on her own then that's just embellishing the problem. She said she was raising money to move out of the house. She was obviously on the right track for solving the church problem. She had nothing to live for yet felt strongly enough about a civil issue enough to want it spread across the country and beyond? Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. would have had as big of an impact on the Civil Rights Movement if he committed suicide and left a note detailing his grievances with racial segregation? Of course you won't address my last three sentences because you can't think of a response to them. Whether you chose to believe it or not, I read the note. [B][U]For someone who specifically details her parents giving her phone back and getting back onto social media, you'd have to weave one hell of a tale to convince me that she didn't have access to the Internet, that she never once browsed around for transgender topics on Google. And if by some freak chance that she didn't, then that's pure inaction on her part.[/U][/B][/QUOTE] Ftfy. Also, in answer to the bold and underlined text, she clearly states that her parents heavily monitored her online activity.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46832528]You've never felt suicidal for any reason have you? Some people just can't handle what they are going through and living is unbearable for them. Don't act as if everyone can manhandle life and plow through shitty situations and be perfectly mentally and emotionally sound.[/QUOTE] So you think that someone who has suicidal thoughts but can't/won't act on them is "cowardly"? You said it yourself, People are put in situations of unbearable suffering. But some people, in fact, chose to not give up, and end up surviving their hardship and find the light at the end of the tunnel. Are you going to try to convince me that THAT isn't courage?! There are people practically rooting for someone choosing to kill themselves. I can't fucking believe it. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Galen;46832903]Ftfy. Also, in answer to the bold and underlined text, she clearly states that her parents heavily monitored her online activity.[/QUOTE] He said himself he developed a "fuck you" mentality towards his parents, so why would he care? Even then, if he used the Internet that long then he's surely know how to delete browsing history. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Debate better please" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904]So you think that someone who has suicidal thoughts but can't/won't act on them is "cowardly"? You said it yourself, People are put in situations of unbearable suffering. But some people, in fact, chose to not give up, and end up surviving their hardship and find the light at the end of the tunnel. Are you going to try to convince me that THAT isn't courage?! There are people practically rooting for someone choosing to kill themselves. I can't fucking believe it. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] He said himself he developed a "fuck you" mentality towards his parents, so why would he care? Even then, if he used the Internet that long then he's surely know how to delete browsing history.[/QUOTE] First of all, don't put words in my mouth, second, I SAID that not everyone can get through their situation and they end their life, and doing so takes courage to do so, if you really think it doesn't then I don't know what to say. Third, no one is rooting for people to kill themselves. Stop saying things that no one said, you just make yourself look like a jackass.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904][editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name.[/QUOTE] It's still respectful to refer to them as what they felt they were/knew they were.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904]So you think that someone who has suicidal thoughts but can't/won't act on them is "cowardly"? You said it yourself, People are put in situations of unbearable suffering. But some people, in fact, chose to not give up, and end up surviving their hardship and find the light at the end of the tunnel. Are you going to try to convince me that THAT isn't courage?! There are people practically rooting for someone choosing to kill themselves. I can't fucking believe it. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] He said himself he developed a "fuck you" mentality towards his parents, so why would he care? Even then, if he used the Internet that long then he's surely know how to delete browsing history. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name.[/QUOTE] Physical body does not dictate mental gender identity, is it really that fucking hard to understand? The only reason someone, after reading the thread and OP, would make the "mistake" of misgendering her is on purpose because they're a bigot