Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904]Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name.[/QUOTE] How many guys do you know named Leelah? In the suicide note she uses both, but in her earlier reddit post they call themselves Leelah. I'm pretty sure she mentioned her given name to clarify who she was, rather than as "I'm still okay being called a guy".

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46832931]First of all, don't put words in my mouth, second, I SAID that not everyone can get through their situation and they end their life, and doing so takes courage to do so, if you really think it doesn't then I don't know what to say. Third, no one is rooting for people to kill themselves. Stop saying things that no one said, you just make yourself look like a jackass.[/QUOTE] You tell me not to put words in your mouth even though you tell me how I act, falsely. Okay. That aside, you explicitly stated that it takes courage to end one's life. Even when the person does it with the mindset of selflesness, or "doing the world a favor", it hurts a lot more people than they might think. All life is precious, which is why I get a bitter taste in my mouth when people EXPLICITLY state that it takes courage to end one's life. Not to seek help, not to find one's inner strength and endure the hardship, but to give up. Tell me again why it's courageous to kill yourself. And please, stop with the insults. I know you're angry but at this point there's no reason to start flaming others. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Weeaboo;46832932]It's still respectful to refer to them as what they felt they were/knew they were.[/QUOTE] Fair enough.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833004]You tell me not to put words in your mouth even though you tell me how I act, falsely. Okay. That aside, you explicitly stated that it takes courage to end one's life. Even when the person does it with the mindset of selflesness, or "doing the world a favor", it hurts a lot more people than they might think. All life is precious, which is why I get a bitter taste in my mouth when [b]people EXPLICITLY state that it takes courage to end one's life.[/b] Not to seek help, not to find one's inner strength and endure the hardship, but to give up. Tell me again why it's courageous to kill yourself. And please, stop with the insults. I know you're angry but at this point there's no reason to start flaming others. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Fair enough.[/QUOTE] You know how on 9/11 some people jumped so they wouldn't burn to death? Do you think it was easy for them to jump? Do you think it didn't take any courage? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Well that's what depression feels like. It literally feels worse to stay in the 'fire' than to jump. Depressed people don't just want to die like they want to. They don't want to die anymore than the rest of us, but staying is like choosing to burn to death for them.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904] [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name.[/QUOTE] That sentence alone disqualifies you from discussing this in a credible manner. [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832885] Of course you won't address my last three sentences because you can't think of a response to them. Whether you chose to believe it or not, I read the note. For someone who specifically details his parents giving his phone back and getting back onto social media, you'd have to weave one hell of a tale to convince me that he didn't have access to the Internet, that he never once browsed around for transgender topics on Google. And if by some freak chance that he didn't, then that's pure inaction on his part.[/QUOTE] I could go on about how you neglect to acknowledge or understand her situation at home and WHY she couldn't do the things she wanted to, or WHY she felt the way she did (i.e. the increasing difficulty of living to 18), but that would be counterproductive. You can say all you want that you read the letter, but its painfully apparent that you don't understand it. If you're asking why she didn't seek help on the Internet and then using that question as a basis for disregarding her situation because you can't comprehend the sentences of the letter, (not only that, but you choose to not acknowledge the fact that she is a girl, even still) then you've got some issues of your own, I'm afraid. Claiming her supposed lack of seeking help as an "inaction" is a far cry from her circumstance. You don't even know that she didn't try, so cut it out with the assumptions that she never tried. She may have, at one point, so your argument is hardly valid on the basis that merely accusing someone of not trying to seek help is justifying a non-sympathetic attitude.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;46833041]You know how on 9/11 some people jumped so they wouldn't burn to death? Do you think it was easy for them to jump? Do you think it didn't take any courage? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Well that's what depression feels like. It literally feels worse to stay in the 'fire' than to jump. Depressed people don't just want to die like they want to. They don't want to die anymore than the rest of us, but staying is like choosing to burn to death for them.[/QUOTE] You're comparing a long-term emotional struggle to an instant of being caught in an extremely hazardous environment. There is no similarity between the two. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Boaraes;46833059]That sentence alone disqualifies you from discussing this in a credible manner.[/QUOTE] Oh just stop it. Don't even try to deny the toxicity of this thread. You have no authority telling people who can and who can't share their opinions on an open forum.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833094]You're comparing a long-term emotional struggle to an instant of being caught in an extremely hazardous environment. There is no similarity between the two. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh just stop it. Don't even try to deny the toxicity of this thread. You have no authority telling people who can and who can't share their opinions on an open forum.[/QUOTE] The toxicity comes from ignorant people coming here and going "WOW RIP JOSH HOPE HE RESTS IN PEACE" because that's [I]literally one of the big reasons she killed herself, nobody respected her gender identity[/I] The "toxicity" you're talking about is people who are sick of ignorant, moronic people shitting up every thread that relates to trans people that gets posted here with inane bigotry and rightfully tell them to shut the fuck up and get out, because we don't want their shit here

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833094]You're comparing a long-term emotional struggle to an instant of being caught in an extremely hazardous environment. There is no similarity between the two. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Oh just stop it. Don't even try to deny the toxicity of this thread. You have no authority telling people who can and who can't share their opinions on an open forum.[/QUOTE] You're right, I don't have that authority. I find you to be inadequate. I never even told you that you couldn't share your opinion, I merely said that you cannot discuss this topic [I]with credibility[/I] because you lack understanding. You can post all you want. Is that better?

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46833115]The toxicity comes from ignorant people coming here and going "WOW RIP JOSH HOPE HE RESTS IN PEACE" because that's [I]literally one of the big reasons she killed herself, nobody respected her gender identity[/I] The "toxicity" you're talking about is people who are sick of ignorant, moronic people shitting up every thread that relates to trans people that gets posted here with inane bigotry and rightfully tell them to shut the fuck up and get out, because we don't want their shit here[/QUOTE] Right, because responding to toxicity with even greater toxicity will obviously solve this issue.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833204]Right, because responding to toxicity with even greater toxicity will obviously solve this issue.[/QUOTE] Somehow telling bigots to fuck off is now worse then at the best, hating someone for something they have literally no way of changing about themselves, and at the worst, wishing them death for it Ok. I have zero tolerance for people being cunts about this stuff anymore. No amount of proof will change the mind of people who think that kind of thing from my experience and I don't have any more interest in trying.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833204]Right, because responding to toxicity with even greater toxicity will obviously solve this issue.[/QUOTE] Well obviously correcting you in a reasonable fashion has accomplished exactly nothing. So if correcting you reasonably doesn't solve the issue then it seems very likely you're unwilling to change your opinion on the matter so driving you out of the thread is the next best option.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;46833143]You're right, I don't have that authority. I find you to be inadequate. I never even told you that you couldn't share your opinion, I merely said that you cannot discuss this topic [I]with credibility[/I] because you lack understanding. You can post all you want. Is that better?[/QUOTE] And as expected, you still speak with an authoritative tone and cherry pick tiny bits of sentences out of context and harp on them. Just like you have been doing for awhile now. No, it's no better, you're only making things worse. You claim that I lack understanding yet you refuse to explain anything because you cling on to this assumption that I haven't read the letter. Every post I see from you is gushing with a high sense of moral authority and yet you and a greater majority of people in this thread retreat to insults and wild accusations and assumptions of people who disagree with you. And as response to what you edited in one post above, you blast me for making an assumption that she didn't take enough action before resorting to suicide, yet you immediately state, "She may have, at one point," and go on to tell me that my argument is invalid. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;46833223]Somehow telling bigots to fuck off is now worse then at the best, hating someone for something they have literally no way of changing about themselves, and at the worst, wishing them death for it Ok. I have zero tolerance for people being cunts about this stuff anymore. No amount of proof will change the mind of people who think that kind of thing from my experience and I don't have any more interest in trying.[/QUOTE] Then don't be surprised when people don't act the way you want them to, because that's exactly the kind of attitude that promotes intolerance.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833204]Right, because responding to toxicity with even greater toxicity will obviously solve this issue.[/QUOTE] You mean like how you are being an ass consistently, and demeaning everyone else's intentions while being literally wrong? [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904] Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and [B]even referred to themselves by their male name.[/B][/QUOTE] [URL]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/post/106447705738/suicide-note[/URL] (note page itself) Sidebar and sig on the note: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0kxY58f.png[/IMG] Also, biological sex doesn't have anything to do with gender and has no reason to be brought up.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;46833251]Well obviously correcting you in a reasonable fashion has accomplished exactly nothing. So if correcting you reasonably doesn't solve the issue then it seems very likely you're unwilling to change your opinion on the matter so driving you out of the thread is the next best option.[/QUOTE] "Correcting me"? On what? I made a comment on how toxic this thread has become and was given a replied that boils down to saying that it comes from trolls and intolerant people. What even IS correct, at this point? This whole thing has been so blown out of proportion, we'll never truly know the full story. But now we're all attacking each other with the mindset that we've got the whole thing figured out, which at this point is fairly recognizable that this is not the case for anyone. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;46833289]You mean like how you are being an ass consistently, and demeaning everyone else's intentions while being literally wrong? [URL]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/post/106447705738/suicide-note[/URL] (note page itself) Sidebar and sig on the note: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0kxY58f.png[/IMG] Also, biological sex doesn't have anything to do with gender and has no reason to be brought up.[/QUOTE] How have I been an ass? Am I the one calling people a jackass or a bigot or a cunt? Or is it because I hold a different opinion than you?

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833302]"Correcting me"? On what? I made a comment on how toxic this thread has become and was given a replied that boils down to saying that it comes from trolls and intolerant people. What even IS correct, at this point? This whole thing has been so blown out of proportion, we'll never truly know the full story. But now we're all attacking each other with the mindset that we've got the whole thing figured out, which at this point is fairly recognizable that this is not the case for anyone. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] How have I been an ass? Am I the one calling people a jackass or a bigot or a cunt? Or is it because I hold a different opinion than you?[/QUOTE] It's because you called her a man, used "he" and "him", and then acted like a child when people corrected you. This is exactly what I'm talking about, if you just went "oh sorry" and corrected yourself then you wouldn't have started anything, but you had to get all shitty and go "WOW I DIDN'T KNOW THE ~PRONOUN POLICE~ WERE HERE" as if we're somehow wrong for respecting a dead girls wishes

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833302] How have I been an ass? Am I the one calling people a jackass or a bigot or a cunt? Or is it because I hold a different opinion than you?[/QUOTE] Stuff like this: [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46831801]Despite how mistreated [B](s)he[/B] was (I mean the 5 months of isolation is completely unwarranted, there is nothing to contend there) I can't completely sympathize with his suicide. He complains about "the weight of thinking about college, saving money to move out, and keeping my grades up", which is something that almost everyone faces. There are tons of resources to aid someone in all of these things. And he complains about how much he hated going to church, so why not just stop going to church? He already talked about moving out, so what better time to separate yourself from something that gave you grief? As for the last bit at the end, where he talks about selling all his stuff for trans rights groups and "my death needs to mean something", if he really cared that much about a cause like transgender issues then would he have really been motivated to just kill himself? We live in an age where information and support are supplied in great abundance through the Internet. Did the thought of reaching out to like-minded transgender people just NEVER cross his mind? He was put in a very shitty situation, yes, but it's not like he never had any chance or resource to try and sooth his depression. He didn't need to resort to suicide so soon.[/QUOTE] Indicates awareness of their preferred state, but deliberately and continually using the disliked one, despite everyone not using it, and then going on to complain about people being "pronoun police" in a derogatory fashion, really says a lot.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46833321]It's because you called her a man, used "he" and "him", and then acted like a child when people corrected you. This is exactly what I'm talking about, if you just went "oh sorry" and corrected yourself then you wouldn't have started anything, but you had to get all shitty and go "WOW I DIDN'T KNOW THE ~PRONOUN POLICE~ WERE HERE" as if we're somehow wrong for respecting a dead girls wishes[/QUOTE] So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral authority no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833386]So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral authority no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.[/QUOTE] They exist because people like you who refuse to acknowledge people's identities. [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833272]And as expected, you still speak with an authoritative tone and cherry pick tiny bits of sentences out of context and harp on them. Just like you have been doing for awhile now. No, it's no better, you're only making things worse. You claim that I lack understanding yet you refuse to explain anything because you cling on to this assumption that I haven't read the letter. Every post I see from you is gushing with a high sense of moral authority and yet you and a greater majority of people in this thread retreat to insults and wild accusations and assumptions of people who disagree with you. And as response to what you edited in one post above, you blast me for making an assumption that she didn't take enough action before resorting to suicide, yet you immediately state, "She may have, at one point," and go on to tell me that my argument is invalid.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to. I don't believe I have an authoritative tone. If anything, I believe you are trying to victimize yourself because you are under your own impression of someone who "has a different opinion" and are thus persecuted against. Absolutely no one is saying you cannot have a say in this. On my part, I am addressing your arguments with mine. I explained to you that you cannot assume the things you did and claim to have fully understood the letter. If you cannot understand my arguments, then that is solely upon you to discern.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833386]So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral security no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.[/QUOTE] Because of people like you who intentionally misgender someone who [I]killed themselves in large part because of constant misgendering[/I] Quit being derogatory to a dead teenager and and acting like it's ok, and I'll quit being derogatory to you. The only reason you're being attacked is because you're acting like you did nothing wrong when you clearly did and you just can't own up to it. Nobody is forcing you to change your opinion, we're telling you why you're wrong and you're acting like somehow we're the bad guys for getting pissed at you for, again, misgendering a person who killed themselves in part because of exactly that You obviously have no intentions of having a rational discussion, if you did you'd apologize and edit your post accordingly to reflect her proper pronouns. Instead you put up a shitfit and act like we're being dictators for saying you should give a suicide victim some dignity in her memory.

[QUOTE=geel9;46831757] Zeke if you want this movement to get somewhere you have to stop being caustic fucks towards even the people who are offering condolences and make a fucking mistake when they choose which name to use.[/QUOTE] This sounds like denial because the LGBT rights movement has never before seen forward momentum like it has in the last couple of years.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833386]So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral authority no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.[/QUOTE] Yes, we do, because you're a wanker. Now sod off. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833386]So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral authority no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.[/QUOTE] "I'm going to continue to be a bigot, just to not give into peer pressure." Seriously? You are have outright just admitted to being a bigot and will refuse to change yourself, and you wonder why people are being disrespectful to you?

[QUOTE=Kybalt;46833041]You know how on 9/11 some people jumped so they wouldn't burn to death? Do you think it was easy for them to jump? Do you think it didn't take any courage? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Well that's what depression feels like. It literally feels worse to stay in the 'fire' than to jump. Depressed people don't just want to die like they want to. They don't want to die anymore than the rest of us, but staying is like choosing to burn to death for them.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling that this metaphor won't work for some people because I actually remember after 9/11 reading people claim that those who jumped from the windows were cowards who made America look bad Trolls? Maybe, but it's hard to tell [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46833386]So you all get to fling insults at me and blast me with tons of derogatory comments and throws your boxes at me, meanwhile I reply to your comments without doing the same, and because I disagree with your opinions and used he instead of she, I'm a child? No. I'm not going to just lay down and accept that, nor will I say "oh sorry" and simply agree to your every whim so your sense of moral authority no longer feels threatened. I tried so hard to have a straightforward discussion about this, despite being straight up bullied from all sides to forfeit my own opinion and give in to peer pressure. But I can see clearly that the hate-mongering going on here has only made any attempt at discussion worse. I guess I shouldn't feel surprised at this point, but what the hay. I realize now that a majority of people in this thread are only interested in attacking anyone at the slightest provocation. [b]And people wonder why things like transgender issues still exist.[/b][/QUOTE] I love it when someone says the part I bolded. It shows beyond a doubt that the person came into the argument fully intending to continue hating on transgender people, but conveniently found a slight against themselves that allows them to play the victim and act like their hatred is deserved.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;46823018]really not being accepted by your parents is crushing and terrible. No matter who you are your parents should care and accept your feelings. RIP this makes me angry, and if true should be treated the same way as child abuse.[/QUOTE] Nah, I didn't ever give a fuck about anything they ever said or thought about me. To this day, I really can only tolerate them in small doses.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;46832904]Oh I'm sorry, she/her. I forgot that this thread is actively being policed for pronouns. Even though the person who wrote the suicide note was still biologically male and even referred to themselves by their male name.[/QUOTE] Honestly, i understand that transgender issues can be confusing to someone with little experience in them, so im usually pretty forgiving about the pronoun stuff when someone first starts discussing the topic because its possible they don't know any better- But its obvious you are doing this on purpose. what you are doing is the equivalent of coming into a thread about a gay dude who committed suicide after being constantly harassed for being "a faggot" and posting "wow rip poor little faggot". then when other posters say "dude what stop calling them a faggot, its not nice at the best of times and its literally the reason this guy killed himself", just replying with "Well, [B]I[/B] think the word faggot is appropriate get off my back you bastards wow"

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;46823067]Why does having an open mind have to be so hard for some people?[/QUOTE] Should your mind be so open that the wind whistles between your ears? His parents didn't want him to grow up into a freak and I don't blame them. Impressionable, yes. Mentally ill, possibly. A woman, no. [highlight](User was banned for this post (""freak"" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

I literally cried all day yesterday when I heard about this. I told my mom I was transgender a while ago and I don't think she understands it, she accepts me, which is all I would ever want. I cant stand thinking of a world where something like this can happen. I hope she rests in peace, and pray that my life never goes down her path.

[QUOTE=dvc;46834071]I literally cried all day yesterday when I heard about this. I told my mom I was transgender a while ago and I don't think she understands it, she accepts me, which is all I would ever want. I cant stand thinking of a world where something like this can happen. I hope she rests in peace, and pray that my life never goes down her path.[/QUOTE] You're not a woman.

[QUOTE=ahmedsalaam69;46834038]Should your mind be so open that the wind whistles between your ears? His parents [U]didn't want him to grow up into a freak[/U] and I don't blame them. Impressionable, yes. Mentally ill, possibly. A woman, no.[/QUOTE] already your opinion has been invalidated to the point where you have no desire to actually look at the situation pragmatically. It's quite clear that you have hate for these people, and do not want to tolerate them due to personal points of view.

Okay. Since some people in this thread seem to... not understand the mindset of a suicidal transgender person allow me to describe it to you. Before this I'll let you now exactly why I know how it feels. I've attempted suicide three times, twice with an overdose, once by jumping(they got me down before I did it though). Imagine waking up every morning in a body that is not only not the one you see yourself belonging to, but one that is completely anathema to your identity. That is the crux of the issue right there. It may seem simple and... inane to one who knows not the pain brought about by such a seemingly simple thing, but that is simply the root of the issue. From this root a myriad of other secondary things pop up. Distorted body image, self induced isolation, self harm, anxiety, and simple jealousy are but the barest minutiae of the various problems that branch off from this root. Now imagine each and every branch slowly sucking the motivation to better yourself out of you. The problem with suicidal depression is that it self perpetuates. Once it begins 99% of the time it takes outside stimuli to break the cycle. Eventually you reach a point where you have the impulse to jump in front of every car that you see, or overdose on your anti-depressants. You won't be doing this because you want revenge or some other petty thing. You'll end up doing this because your depression has led you to believe that you are quite simply a hindrance on others, or worse your very existence is downright detrimental to others. This is not the result of your actions either, rather its a mindset that develops due to self-paranoia caused by your depression. Any simply mistake is amplified in your mind tenfold. Any slight to others a grievous affront. Now to bring it back to the subject matter, this girl Leelah, did not receive the aforementioned stimuli required to break out of the cycle. Any "Christian Therapy" she received likely aggravated the problem to the point where she quite simply broke. One final thing that I must point out is the fallacy of equating any pain or experiences you've gone through with something, that to you, is no big deal. People are different. People have different tolerances to adversity. Indeed the problem might be much more severe then your second hand understanding may lead you to believe. To equate your experiences to that of another for the sake of belittling the adversity that they may have been through is quite simply narrow minded and arrogant.

[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;46834078]already your opinion has been invalidated to the point where you have no desire to actually look at the situation pragmatically. It's quite clear that you have hate for these people, and do not want to tolerate them due to personal points of view.[/QUOTE] I'm being as pragmatic as possible. All I'm trying to point out is that without healthy boundaries, this is the kind of ugly shit we end up with. I feel sorry for the kid, he didn't give himself a chance to mature mentally.