Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide
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This is fucking horrible.
Having to take your own life because the parents are some religion obsessed fucks..
Let's hope that this case will actually change the way transgenders are treated and get the support they need, even though you probably can't get every single person to accept transsexualism.
[QUOTE=Nifae;46836428]I live with a terribly Christian grandmother who tries the same type of shit on me. She kicked me out after learning I was transgender (in a rainstorm, had to sleep in a park and got bronchitis) and that's just one example. She forced me to attend religious "therapy" where I was bashed with the Bible and she paid heavily out of pocket for me to basically be put into panic attacks from the combined pressure.
We don't get physical often but she is very emotionally abusive and this leads to me generally feeling quite depressed and suicidal some days, however I self medicate with various substances so most of the time I try to be too high to care about the abuse.[/QUOTE]
Thats a really shitty situation but seriously dude, stop self medicating for mental illness. That should be your FINAL step if nothing else ever works.
You can and will permanently fuck up your chemical imbalance which can lead to you feeling so shitty and depressed for the rest of your life among a plethora of other things. Im really serious dude, you need to stop before this shit happens. Get a psychiatrist, hell even with a good one it takes time to find the right meds that work right.
Dont even know why I said can, you fucking 100% WILL fuck yourself up if you continue for years.
But this is all gonna be up to you, sounds like your the only one who cares, but thats okay because you are the only one who can make yourself get better.
It sucks a lot trying to find the right meds and doctor, but you cannot self medicate, you are not a goddamn PHD wielding psychatrist who specilizes in a mental illness field and medication. I mean hell, Doctors ALWAYS go to psychiatrists for help and answers regarding mental illness meds, at least competent doctors, because they know fuck all about them They will straight out say they are not comfertable prescibring you meds. The most random doctors prescribe are usually very basic doses for very basic forms of mental illness. Like a 3 month seasonal depression. Out of all the advice you ever gotten for your shit, please at least take this one, you have to stop self medicating, its one of the most harmful things anyone can do when having a mental illness, ESPECIALLY depression(so many goddamn anti-depressants that all do different shit)
You only self medicate when you are literally at the end of your rope and nothing has worked. Its so insanely dangerous its not even funny. You wont die, but you will fuck up your chemical balance, and whether you believe it or not, shit like depression/anxity can be extremely physical diseases and not just bullshit in your head. It will become impossible to be happy, you can fucking destroy your dopeamine receptors, and thats usually the first thing to go.
Perhaps gender dysphoria might be a mental illness in that it is an unhealthily strong association of mental identity and physical body. The thing is, if this association happened in people who believed their mental identity corresponded to their physical one, there wouldn't really be any outwardly visible symptoms. Please be aware that I am not an idiot and when I say they might have a mental illness, I am not demeaning them as people, or any of that shit, people sometimes have stuff wrong with their heads, and that's not their fault, I have mental illnesses too.
In that context it'd make those bullshit tumblr genders make sense. The problem isn't mental identity, but the fact that it's too intensely defining the person's sense of self. The only difference is for transgender people, they're taking that identification from the social norms of people of different genders, rather than something else. If Leelah grew up in a world composed entirely of men, would they still feel the same way? Is gender as it relates to sex something defined instinctively? Perhaps it is, it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. In many cultures violating gender roles would lead to death, so gender emerged to encourage people to stay with those roles.
I don't feel like my body defines who I am, I really cannot see myself being any less happy if I had a vagina instead. Maybe that's just me, I honestly don't know, feel free to reply to me to tell me if you feel differently about yourself. I am me, and me is not completely defined by "guy".
In any case the most effective and permanent solution would be transitioning, but from a scientific standpoint if the root cause of the depression trans people experience is from the strength of the connection between their mental identity and physical body, that is, the very presence of the mental "gender". It would be important as the neurological pathways that are the actual causal factor are likely different from the ones being studied right now.
If anybody is a neurologist or psychologist or actually educated on the topic, enlighten me, as I'm interested to know more. If you're not, well, you can't exactly prove or disprove any of the concepts I'm talking about through debate or anything, but if you have any articles on the situation I'd like to see them
I've seen somewhere that 41 % of trans* people try suicide at some point in their lives.
That's a messed up high number.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46839293]Perhaps gender dysphoria might be a mental illness in that it is an unhealthily strong association of mental identity and physical body. The thing is, if this association happened in people who believed their mental identity corresponded to their physical one, there wouldn't really be any outwardly visible symptoms. Please be aware that I am not an idiot and when I say they might have a mental illness, [B]I am not demeaning them as people, or any of that shit[/B], people sometimes have stuff wrong with their heads, and that's not their fault, I have mental illnesses too.[/QUOTE]
you are because you're acting like you're some kind of authority on the subject and you're using yourself as an all-representative example. you're happy with not having a vagoo because you don't suffer the same issues that people who experience gender dysphoria have (which you clearly don't understand, let alone grasp the consequences of it)
[QUOTE=gastyne;46840559]I've seen somewhere that 41 % of trans* people try suicide at some point in their lives.
That's a messed up high number.[/QUOTE]
Not a surprising number to me. Hell, I feel like it's only in the past few years that we've really gotten traction in being accepted. It's still a very hostile world out there, but it's getting kinder to us every year. I mean shit, for the longest time we were just a [I]joke[/I] to people, and we're still depicted as massive stereotypes on television a lot of the time. Hairy, ugly, manly, prostitutes, so on. Wonder if in 20 years we'll look at that like we look back at blackface actors from the 20th century.
Plus, I guess the whole thing is a little hard to imagine. I find it hard to explain but basically, most of us know from a young age. I mean you can find out whenever but a lot of people can know they're trans before they've even hit 10. Then it's entirely left up to who your parents are, and in the grand majority of cases, parents will not accept you and their hostility to it varies, but the most common result is feeling suicidal.
I guess it's hard to describe how important gender identity is to a transgendered person. Maybe it's one of those 'don't appreciate what you have until you don't have it' sort of things. But it's pretty hugely important to us and for many of us we [I]can't[/I] be happy unless we live as our gender. Which is why it's frustrating to hear sentiments along the lines of "can't you just wait?" or "do you really have to?" or whatever, because the answer is no, we can't, because several of us can't bare to be alive otherwise. This gets mixed with parent response, and, yeah. Many parents respond by being neglectful or abusive, often insulting, screaming at, or even hitting their kids in response to it. That's how my parents are, and it's, well, not fun. And when you're a child there's no recourse. You can't fight back, you can't leave, you can't do anything except plead, shut up, or hurt yourself, and it's not as easy as calling CPS and getting the fuck out. CPS came, looked at my family, and decided to leave me here.
Then, once you're 18, you have to hope your parents are kind enough to even let you continue living in the house until you can leave. Many transgendered people also end up homeless, thrown out on to the street by their parents like trash. I've been threatened with it numerous times.
World ain't great for a transgendered person.
i've seen a couple posts on tumblr where people are freaking out and wishing death on the driver because he's islamic or something and 'did it on purpose to kill a transgender'
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46839293]Perhaps gender dysphoria might be a mental illness in that it is an unhealthily strong association of mental identity and physical body. The thing is, if this association happened in people who believed their mental identity corresponded to their physical one, there wouldn't really be any outwardly visible symptoms. Please be aware that I am not an idiot and when I say they might have a mental illness, I am not demeaning them as people, or any of that shit, people sometimes have stuff wrong with their heads, and that's not their fault, I have mental illnesses too.
In that context it'd make those bullshit tumblr genders make sense. The problem isn't mental identity, but the fact that it's too intensely defining the person's sense of self. The only difference is for transgender people, they're taking that identification from the social norms of people of different genders, rather than something else. If Leelah grew up in a world composed entirely of men, would they still feel the same way? Is gender as it relates to sex something defined instinctively? Perhaps it is, it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. In many cultures violating gender roles would lead to death, so gender emerged to encourage people to stay with those roles.
I don't feel like my body defines who I am, I really cannot see myself being any less happy if I had a vagina instead. Maybe that's just me, I honestly don't know, feel free to reply to me to tell me if you feel differently about yourself. I am me, and me is not completely defined by "guy".
In any case the most effective and permanent solution would be transitioning, but from a scientific standpoint if the root cause of the depression trans people experience is from the strength of the connection between their mental identity and physical body, that is, the very presence of the mental "gender". It would be important as the neurological pathways that are the actual causal factor are likely different from the ones being studied right now.
If anybody is a neurologist or psychologist or actually educated on the topic, enlighten me, as I'm interested to know more. If you're not, well, you can't exactly prove or disprove any of the concepts I'm talking about through debate or anything, but if you have any articles on the situation I'd like to see them[/QUOTE]
It's not a mental illness at all, it is literally and scientifically provable that their brains gender/sex is different to the persons body sex, which causes gender dysphoria. It is the brain structure, the neurons and the hypothalamus none of which can be changed. The only possible and and moral treatment is changing the body not the mind. It's not a mental illness as it's not mental, it's physical.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46833436]This sounds like denial because the LGBT rights movement has never before seen forward momentum like it has in the last couple of years.[/QUOTE]
I personally think Geel has a point, you assumed the worst of someone trying to be respectful but making a mistake, instead of correcting him (Which look! He did! Wow, he sure was an asshole!) you just straight up attack him for fucking up. I'm not transgender, so I don't understand what it's like to be "misgendered" but can't you give people a little more leeway before assuming they're a bigot?
Geel is just trying to comment on the very "assume the worst of everyone" mentality this thread has. The parents? Obviously completely evil (They might have been, but who knows). Someone trying to show respect for the girl but calls her Joshuah? Bigoted asshole who deserves no respect. I hate saying this but it's borderline tumblrism. Everyone who makes one mistake is automatically the enemy. Yes, Geel has said a few stupid things, but I can see the points he is trying to make.
[QUOTE=Ripmax;46842398]It's not a mental illness at all, it is literally and scientifically provable that their brains gender/sex is different to the persons body sex, which causes gender dysphoria. It is the brain structure, the neurons and the hypothalamus none of which can be changed. The only possible and and moral treatment is changing the body not the mind. It's not a mental illness as it's not mental, it's physical.[/QUOTE]
Technically speaking, it is a mental condition just like any other. [url]http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf[/url]
The terminology is changed for the purposes of making it sound better and to decrease the stigma, but medically speaking, it is a diagnosable condition. But you probably think that I think that having such conditions make you a worse person or something stupid and I'm using it to bash trans people but I'm not, anymore than I think somebody with sickle-cell anemia is not a worse person. It's just something you have, it's nothing to be ashamed of, it's nothing abnormal.
[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;46842276]i've seen a couple posts on tumblr where people are freaking out and wishing death on the driver because he's islamic or something and 'did it on purpose to kill a transgender'[/QUOTE]
Once again promoting the stereotype that tumblrettes are fucking idiots. What part of "the girl jumped in front" is so hard to understand? Do they need additional english classes or something? Is it a translation issue? I FAIL to understand how you could fucking pin this on the driver, who is probably TRAUMATIZED ALREADY because of this whole unfortunate chain of events. Last thing he needs is a bunch of idiots telling him to kill himself.
I'm not saying ALL tumblr users are idiots obviously.
her tumblr got taken down
no tumblr violation reasons for it to be taken down
[url]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46844195]Technically speaking, it is a mental condition just like any other. [url]http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf[/url]
The terminology is changed for the purposes of making it sound better and to decrease the stigma, but medically speaking, it is a diagnosable condition. But you probably think that I think that having such conditions make you a worse person or something stupid and I'm using it to bash trans people but I'm not, anymore than I think somebody with sickle-cell anemia is not a worse person. It's just something you have, it's nothing to be ashamed of, it's nothing abnormal.[/QUOTE]
Gender dysphoria is but not gender identity, also homosexuality wasn't removed from the DSM until 1987 and female hysteria was only removed in 1980.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46844256]her tumblr got taken down
no tumblr violation reasons for it to be taken down
[url]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
hopefully we'll get to know why soon enough
I have conflicting opinions on transgenderism, and on Christianity. I'm not really sure what I can say that isn't offensive either way, so all I want to say is rest in peace.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;46844389]I have conflicting opinions on transgenderism, and on Christianity. I'm not really sure what I can say that isn't offensive either way, so all I want to say is rest in peace.[/QUOTE]
If you have an opinion that you're too embarrassed to share publicly, maybe you shouldn't have that opinion.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46844402]If you have an opinion that you're too embarrassed to share publicly, maybe you shouldn't have that opinion.[/QUOTE]
I don't really want to continue the same vapid argument that has been going on for hundreds of posts now, I'm just sad that a young person died because it's so hard for people with differences to communicate properly.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;46844389]I have conflicting opinions on transgenderism, and on Christianity. I'm not really sure what I can say that isn't offensive either way, so all I want to say is rest in peace.[/QUOTE]
If you have an opinion that can be boiled down to transphobia, even if it is religious, then you should change your viewpoint.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46844256]her tumblr got taken down
no tumblr violation reasons for it to be taken down
[url]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Don't they generally take down the profiles of the deceased or am I thinking of some other website?
[QUOTE=Paramud;46844541]Don't they generally take down the profiles of the deceased or am I thinking of some other website?[/QUOTE]
never heard that tumblr has that kind of practice in effect, and it wouldn't make much sense unless there's very sensitive information there that can tarnish the person's name post mortem
[QUOTE=Paramud;46844541]Don't they generally take down the profiles of the deceased or am I thinking of some other website?[/QUOTE]
I think Facebook does something similar like that. I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;46844562]I think Facebook does something similar like that. I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]
think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but you can request a deceased user's page to be turned into a memorial page
[QUOTE=Samiam22;46844467]If you have an opinion that can be boiled down to transphobia, even if it is religious, then you should change your viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
"Boiled down to" meaning being with or against, I'm guessing.
No, I'm not against trans people, or Christians, it's just that even as a gay man I'm wary of the attitudes that seem to be held up as models of social awareness on places like tumblr. I'm absolutely on board with alternate sexualities/genders, I'm just a bit concerned that maybe the culture behind it is coming on a bit too strong, and I'm rather against telling people their views are shit and they should be ashamed of them selves just because I don't agree with them or whatever.
I don't know this persons parents, I'm not ready to condemn them over an emotionally charged suicide note just becauses it's a bit trendy and socially correct at the moment to crusade for things like this with the barest of facts. I don't doubt the parents are grieving, but there are posts in the thread saying they are probably relieved she is dead.
Anyways, all I wanted to say was rest in peace, I'm not sure why I'm posting the other useless shit.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46844256]her tumblr got taken down
no tumblr violation reasons for it to be taken down
[url]http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Could her parents have requested it be taken down?
[QUOTE=Ripmax;46842398]It's not a mental illness at all, it is literally and scientifically provable that their brains gender/sex is different to the persons body sex, which causes gender dysphoria. It is the brain structure, the neurons and the hypothalamus none of which can be changed. The only possible and and moral treatment is changing the body not the mind. It's not a mental illness as it's not mental, it's physical.[/QUOTE]
Dude wow, no its both a mental and physical illness, just how depression can be a mental and physical illness.
If you are SO distraught over your gender that you battle with yourself day after day, feeling sad, angry, frustrated, confused, all the fucking time, then you got some mental illness. You are not in the right state of mind and its that gender dysphoria thats causing it. Thats why its actually labeled as a Medical condition and not a Physical/Mental one. It has both physical aspects to it, and mental ones. Why do you think suicide rates are SO fucking high for people with Gender Dysphoria.
You could apply the same type of logic to homosexuality if someone is having serious mental anguish over their sexuality.
[B]The only possible and and moral treatment is changing the body not the mind[/B] This is one of the most disgusting, and horribly misguiding things ive ever heard about this shit.
Do you realize how fucking common suicide is after SRS? You cant just go changing the body without helping the obviously distraught mind. Honestly your mindset of just changing the body is why I think suicide rates get so high. People get pressured into by people around them with the same mindset saying "You gotta just change how you look and you will be happy!" and then they do it, they arent happy, and worse off than before.
Its like people dont want it to have anything to do with being called a mental illness because it seems offensive(its not, and that mindset is fucking retarded)
Personally I think helping the mind first BEFORE changing your body is by far the best way to go. Why the fuck are you gonna go mess with your body if you are still so distraught? Why not get therapy or a psychiatrist and work with them and come up with a gameplan, collect yourself, and THEN alter your body the way you want once you have gotten a hold of your emotions.
Doesnt mean your always gonna get the mental with it, but with the staggering suicide statistics alone id say its pretty common. Being confused about yourself all the time and causing anguish over just who you are and your sexuality/gender as a person cannot be a good time for anyone.
I personally don't like being pathologized because of my identity but alright.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46823242]I just wish those who are rating this winner and funny would just say something[/QUOTE]
Suicide is selfish.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;46844760]Suicide is selfish.[/QUOTE]
For those who rated it dumb, if you have loved ones who may also have been very close to you it can severely fuck them up, and maybe cause them to end it too. I am not against suicide at all, sometimes there is literally no other choice, but I can see where he is coming from.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46844402]If you have an opinion that you're too embarrassed to share publicly, maybe you shouldn't have that opinion.[/QUOTE]
Why? Because other people don't like it?
I support the LGBT movement and all, but I don't think "a lot of people don't like it" should be a reason to stop having an opinion.
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