Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ripmax;46847104]Do you honestly think transgender people would be medically assisted in changing their body to match their mind if it wasn't the only option that worked and the only humane one.[/QUOTE] Johns Hopkins University Hospital, the facility that pioneered transition surgery, has since completely done away with any such procedures and outright condemned the continued use of them due to extensive research they've done and data they've collected over the years which strongly suggests that its impact is almost purely negative. statistically speaking, transition surgery is not a successful practice, because a very large majority of people who've undergone the surgery have killed themselves afterwards. what you're saying doesn't appear to be based on anything apart from the logic of ''why would they do it if it wasn't good'' which is a very strange mindset to have in a world where you can have yourself injected with a substance that kills your glands in order to make you appear less wrinkled, or where a guy can pay to have a surgery to make him ''look more like justin bieber'' because he thinks it'll make his career in music more successful.

Too bad there isnt a parenting license. If there was, these fuckers should get it revoked for life.

[QUOTE=Ripmax;46847104]You can't change anyones brain structure/sex/gender anymore than you can change someones chromosomes. This isn't some chemical imballance like schitzaphrenia this is their brain being physically that of the other sex it's more like one of the many intersex conditions than anything mental. You seem to think just becuase it's the brain it's mental which is ridiculous. The treating the brain option you suggest aka conversion theropy never has worked and never will in the same way it doesn't work for homosexuals. Suicude reduces after SRS, I know of the study you got your information from and let mw jaut say did you actually read it? It does specifically say those who had SRS in the 70's didn't have reduced suicide rates but those who had SRS in the 80's and beyond had suicide rates reduced. Many other more recent studies have shown SRS to reduce suicide. Your opinion is going against psychological and scientific evidence. You seem to have no idea of the process to get both hormones and SRS, you must be of sound mind and not have attempted suicide in the last year, you must also go through theropy and have RLE as the gender you identity with, the only exeption to this is the USAs informed consent clinics which are only for hormones not SRS. Do you honestly think transgender people would be medically assisted in changing their body to match their mind if it wasn't the only option that worked and the only humane one.[/QUOTE] Wait, what the fuck are you talking about. I never said conversion therapy, I said getting therapy or a psychiatrist to fucking get a hold of your emotions and all your mental anguish over yourself before you start changing your body with an extremely serious surgery. You wont be in a clear state of mind if your gender dysporia is causing so many problems for you emoitonally, and thats a very poor time to make such a huge and life changing decision as SRS. Of course SRS will help people and lower suicide rates, but the problem still stands how fucking enormous the suicide rates still are both before and after SRS. It doesnt matter they have gone down a bit, at least not yet. To straight up tell someone with Gender Dysphoria whos feeling horrible emotionally to just get SRS and not get therapy help and shit is immoral. Im not arguing you can cure Gender Dysphoria with therapy/meds, just how you cant pray the gay away. Im aruging the fact I think more people with Gender Dysphoira should get help for their mental problems, NOT for having Gender Dysphoria. "you must be of sound mind and not have attempted suicide in the last year," Listen, I think we both know how fucking easy it is for people to hide stuff like that and appear normal. Its not foolproof. I mean, wouldnt you want someone to be more clear headed and having a grip on their emotions and state of mind BEFORE getting a life changing surgery?

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;46823161]Comment from Mothers Facebook. Even after her death they still fail to recognize their child for what she wanted to be; espcially given its the reason for her death. Fucking disrespctful parients. [IMG]http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/12/31/1227170/864492-722ecbac-903e-11e4-9b34-d072426a6c59.jpg[/IMG] Batshit insane as you can see.[/QUOTE] But, wouldn't it be Joshua who was insane? After all, it's him who killed himself, and who believed himself to be a woman when he had a penis. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling/dumb" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Deng;46845874]It depends on the condition. I think it would be moral for people to refuse to have a child with certain mental and physical disabilities, if they had the ability to predict it before birth.[/QUOTE] Don't we already have the ability to check if unborn children already bear certain disabilities, even though it could result in a miscarriage? My mother always said she got the doctors to look at my Karyogram while I was in the womb.

[QUOTE=Battledrobe;46848247]But, wouldn't it be Joshua who was insane? After all, it's him who killed himself, and who believed himself to be a woman when he had a penis.[/QUOTE] [B]Leelah[/B] had a female's brain into a male body. She wasn't a dumb male that believed she was a woman, she [B][I]was[/I][/B] a woman; the brain structure or whatever was different than a man's.

This thread is now completely full of poop - please vacate the premises!

I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790]I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] ...What? Are you saying LGBT communities are against trans people transitioning? What the fuck are you on about?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790]I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] The only one throwing out logic is you, since they found trans people's brains form to the gender they know they are, just the body doesnt.

[QUOTE=Levithan;46844710]I personally don't like being pathologized because of my identity but alright.[/QUOTE] If you identify as a dolphin and you're not, then there are issues, son.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849252]If you identify as a dolphin and you're not, then there are issues, son.[/QUOTE] Literally the most tired argument ever In the womb, you can form into a man or a woman (or intersexed, but that's not too common afaik) You cannot form into a dolphin. Otherkin are insane, and yeah some think they're dolphins, but trans people are not otherkin. Trans people have been recorded in hundreds of years of history across multiple cultures, in some they were even accepted as a man with the soul of a woman (or vice-versa).

[QUOTE=Samiam22;46847155]Suicide can't be selfish by design. What do you gain for yourself? Losing your life is the ultimate loss.[/QUOTE] You gain freedom.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849252]If you identify as a dolphin and you're not, then there are issues, son.[/QUOTE] As much as I know you don't give a shit about this issue because of this very post, I'll explain to you briefly why you're so very wrong. A person does not have dolphin DNA, a person cannot have dolphin DNA. A person can have the other genders brain chemistry and structure. Why? Because men and women are so very genetically similar that the system can get confused in the womb and produce the brain for the other gender causing gender dysmorphia. Denying this is like saying the sky is always green

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46849270]Literally the most tired argument ever In the womb, you can form into a man or a woman (or intersexed, but that's not too common afaik) You cannot form into a dolphin. Otherkin are insane, and yeah some think they're dolphins, but trans people are not otherkin. Trans people have been recorded in hundreds of years of history across multiple cultures, in some they were even accepted as a man with the soul of a woman (or vice-versa).[/QUOTE] And replies like this just ask for a rule of putting out sources for such claims. How can you claim that this isnt a mental condition, like depression or schizophrenia? And if you think it is, why dont we heal it with medication then. Serious question.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849252]If you identify as a dolphin and you're not, then there are issues, son.[/QUOTE] hi I identify as a strawman my pronouns are straw, strawself, and missing the point

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849299]And replies like this just ask for a rule of putting out sources for such claims. How can you claim that this isnt a mental condition, like depression or schizophrenia? And if you think it is, why dont we heal it with medication then. Serious question.[/QUOTE] maybe you're not getting the type of medical issue we're talking about here where just medicating doesn't help. You can't medicate a brain into a differnt gender. That's not how it works. Sources have been given to this in this very thread and many other transgendered threads. people like you, who insist trans issues are non existant because they're equivalent to "otherkin", aren't interested in the facts.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849299]And replies like this just ask for a rule of putting out sources for such claims. How can you claim that this isnt a mental condition, like depression or schizophrenia? And if you think it is, why dont we heal it with medication then. Serious question.[/QUOTE] medication doesn't heal mental illness, it just eases the symptoms when someone with depression takes anti depressants its to make their life more livable not erase their illness

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46847427]Johns Hopkins University Hospital, the facility that pioneered transition surgery, has since completely done away with any such procedures and outright condemned the continued use of them due to extensive research they've done and data they've collected over the years which strongly suggests that its impact is almost purely negative. statistically speaking, transition surgery is not a successful practice, because a very large majority of people who've undergone the surgery have killed themselves afterwards. what you're saying doesn't appear to be based on anything apart from the logic of ''why would they do it if it wasn't good'' which is a very strange mindset to have in a world where you can have yourself injected with a substance that kills your glands in order to make you appear less wrinkled, or where a guy can pay to have a surgery to make him ''look more like justin bieber'' because he thinks it'll make his career in music more successful.[/QUOTE] What, you mean their decision from over 30 years ago? Where the subjects of sexual reassignment surgery said they were satisfied but the person doing the study dismissed their thoughts and said "nah, you guys are still messed up"? There's one recent long term study from 2011 that says that people who get SRS have higher rates of morbidity and mortality than the general population. However, this isn't comparing transgender people who get surgery to those who don't, it's just comparing transgender people who get surgery to cisgender people. The study itself admits this. Further more, the study admits: [quote]Given the nature of sex reassignment, a double blind randomized controlled study of the result after sex reassignment is not feasible. We therefore have to rely on other study designs. [U]For the purpose of evaluating whether sex reassignment is an effective treatment for gender dysphoria, it is reasonable to compare reported gender dysphoria pre and post treatment. Such studies have been conducted either prospectively[7], [12] or retrospectively,[5], [6], [9], [22], [25], [26], [29], [38] and suggest that sex reassignment of transsexual persons improves quality of life and gender dysphoria.[/U] The limitation is of course that the treatment has not been assigned randomly and has not been carried out blindly. For the purpose of evaluating the safety of sex reassignment in terms of morbidity and mortality, however, it is reasonable to compare sex reassigned persons with matched population controls. The caveat with this design is that transsexual persons before sex reassignment might differ from healthy controls (although this bias can be statistically corrected for by adjusting for baseline differences). It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; [U]no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment.[/U] As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.[39], [40] [B]This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit.[/B][/quote] Assuming you're referencing Paul McHugh, an 80+ year old Catholic, there are two studies he's cited. The first is over 30 years old, only had 29 subjects and 21 control, [I]dismissed[/I] the opinions of the subjects who said they were satisfied, and the person who took the study said "My [B]personal feeling[/B] is that surgery is not proper treatment for a psychiatric disorder" rather than citing actual data. The second study, which is much more recent and has much more data, admits that SRS is probably a good idea. [QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790]I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. [U]in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities.[/U] if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] Okay, seriously, where the [B]hell[/B] are you getting this "data"? Fox News? Tumblr? Your ass?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790] in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790]I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] no, this isn't a thread calling people out for being transphobic, it's an attack on your conservative political views. yes. exactly. [editline]3rd January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849252]If you identify as a dolphin and you're not, then there are issues, son.[/QUOTE] loving this new generation of nerds on the internet who are so bad at forming opinions that virtually every argument they make is just mocking strawmen or citing a single weirdo that was highlighted on 4chan or tumblrinaction (that usually ends up being a troll but shhhh, those SJWS!!!! aren't smart enough to know what satire is!)

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46848790]I think this thread is the perfect example of people being so afraid of appearing to be non-liberal that they're willing to completely throw out logic and just conform to an opinion without using any critical thinking whatsoever. people are getting dumb ratings for stating facts proven by medical research and accepted by the LGBT community as being true. in LGBT communities, people who undergo transition surgeries or otherwise promote them or encourage them are often called traitors and scorned for what is seen to be detrimental and harmful to said communities. if that combined with reputable medical data isn't enough to convince you then you're not using your brain.[/QUOTE] You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, just stop.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46849655]no, this isn't a thread calling people out for being transphobic, it's an attack on your conservative political views. yes. exactly.[/QUOTE] I try not to respond to your posts for obvious reasons but jesus christ do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with you about everything is conservative?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46849687]I try not to respond to your posts for obvious reasons but jesus christ do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with you about everything is conservative?[/QUOTE] so much for that rule eh? You reply to a mediocre argumentless post, but ignore the posts that contain vital cruxes for your so called "medical information" that you spoke about. Try not dodging the important questions and, maybe, looking at your own views for once. Self examination is a great thing. Try it.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46849299]And replies like this just ask for a rule of putting out sources for such claims. How can you claim that this isnt a mental condition, like depression or schizophrenia? And if you think it is, why dont we heal it with medication then. Serious question.[/QUOTE] Because being born with a female brain and male body parts is physical? God damn I hate when people spout bullshit without even doing just a little research.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46849699]so much for that rule eh? You reply to a mediocre argumentless post, but ignore the posts that contain vital cruxes for your so called "medical information" that you spoke about. Try not dodging the important questions and, maybe, looking at your own views for once. Self examination is a great thing. Try it.[/QUOTE] to be completely honest when that many people openly disagree with me on FP I just stop trying to explain or debate anything because otherwise I get banned for bloating the thread.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46849723]to be completely honest when that many people openly disagree with me on FP I just stop trying to explain or debate anything because otherwise I get banned for bloating the thread.[/QUOTE] no you get banned for the WAY you argue. Not the FACT you argue. I've seen you argue for the last 2 years. It's childish, petulant, and aggressive. You often ignore or dance around things you don't agree with whether they're medical facts or not. If you want to argue that Trans people aren't being served best by the treatments they're getting, formulate a strong argument that doesn't rely on you trashing the people you're talking about. You refrenced medical information, but you didn't cite that information. There's a lot of people here who are as equally as well informed as you think you are. Denying this or dismissing this because you're too scared to argue with people is pathetic.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46849723]to be completely honest when that many people openly disagree with me on FP I just stop trying to explain or debate anything because otherwise I get banned for bloating the thread.[/QUOTE] Or, mainly, because you're wrong and you can't accept the fact

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46849723]to be completely honest when that many people openly disagree with me on FP I just stop trying to explain or debate anything because otherwise I get banned for bloating the thread.[/QUOTE] AKA when that many people disagree with me I realise I've got no argument and back down but try to act like I'm still kind of right

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46849741]no you get banned for the WAY you argue. Not the FACT you argue. I've seen you argue for the last 2 years. It's childish, petulant, and aggressive. You often ignore or dance around things you don't agree with whether they're medical facts or not. If you want to argue that Trans people aren't being served best by the treatments they're getting, formulate a strong argument that doesn't rely on you trashing the people you're talking about. You refrenced medical information, but you didn't cite that information. There's a lot of people here who are as equally as well informed as you think you are. Denying this or dismissing this because you're too scared to argue with people is pathetic.[/QUOTE] of all the criticisms you could make of me this is the weakest. if I ''danced around things'' I probably wouldn't have the ban history I have because I often pick apart every little thing I don't agree with and address it thoroughly which leads to confusion from others, which leads to me being banned for "trolling". if I continued to try to make the argument I originally made, I'd have like 6 people responding to me at a time and a mod would ban me to clean the thread up. [editline]3rd January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;46849762]AKA when that many people disagree with me I realise I've got no argument and back down but try to act like I'm still kind of right[/QUOTE] it's funny how this is what's being said about me when I used to be heavily criticised on here for not giving up on arguments and posting too much. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Thread Derailment" - rilez))[/highlight]