Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DrCactus;46823614]Absolutely heartbreaking. How can somebody be so cruel to their children?[/QUOTE] Having strong religious views is definitely one of the primary factors for this. The parents simply valued their views more than their own care for the kid. It could be possible that they didn't want her to "burn in hell" or something like that for these life choices, but I don't find that probable. It's more likely that they didn't want to be associated with somebody that refused to conform with their beleifs.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;46823661]Poor kid. Fucked up parents being a shameful excuse for "christians" They should be charged for child abuse. In Denmark we have a thing called "psykisk vold" which means "mental violence" but could probably better be translated to "emotional abuse" and it is one of the things that can get you in deep legal shit for child abuse. Don't know if the US of A has a thing such as that, though.[/QUOTE] In the US we have charges for child and/or emotional abuse, the problem is it's a tricky charge to push no matter what (as is finding responsibility for suicide), when you add LGBTQA rights, and freedom of religion (and our religious far right make [i]everything[/i] about freedom of religion) it gets near impossible to stick.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46823597]Don't really see why this is such a massive problem. Granted, the situation fucking sucks, but it's not like every single loving parent is always going to absolutely remember their child's exact age. Besides, she was only a year off the first time.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's the point. The point is she cared enough to correct her daughter's age, but not the fact that she's saying son.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46823605]That's assuming she's feeling any amount of grief.[/QUOTE] Honestly, how can people who think like this call themselves open minded? What you really mean is that you're right and everyone else is either a completely idiot and/or evil. You're no different from those you hate. We have a mother who just lost her child to suicide. I don't know if there's anything more tragic and depressing than to have the child that you bore and rose think that their life isn't worth living anymore so intensely that they end it, and all you have to say is, "Oh, she's probably so evil that she doesn't even feel grief." Can you be more callous and close minded? Dumb me all you want. I couldn't care less, but don't pretend that you have any desire to understand the point of view of others. All you care about is making sure that everyone knows how much better of a person you are.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823693]Honestly, how can people who think like this call themselves open minded? What you really mean is that you're right and everyone else is either a completely idiot and/or evil. You're no different from those you hate. We have a mother who just lost her child to suicide. I don't know if there's anything more tragic and depressing than to have the child that you bore and rose think that their life isn't worth living anymore so intensely that they end it, and all you have to say is, "Oh, she's probably so evil that she doesn't even feel grief." Can you be more callous and close minded?[/QUOTE] A mother who drove her child to suicide and calls her the wrong name and pronouns even after she killed herself. Yeah, I'm going to assume she doesn't feel any grief. If she wanted her child to be alive then maybe she should've had some ounce of respect for her and treated her properly, calling her by her chosen name and pronouns If you want to go after someone callous and close-minded then go after the mother who can't be assed to remember the fucking age of her dead child

It's very possible to both disagree with a lifestyle choice and also show love, obviously the parents didn't do that in this scenario. The fact that they aren't facing up to their part in this shows me that they still don't even understand the situation fully.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823693]Honestly, how can people who think like this call themselves open minded? What you really mean is that you're right and everyone else is either a completely idiot and/or evil. You're no different from those you hate. We have a mother who just lost her child to suicide. I don't know if there's anything more tragic and depressing than to have the child that you bore and rose think that their life isn't worth living anymore so intensely that they end it, and all you have to say is, "Oh, she's probably so evil that she doesn't even feel grief." Can you be more callous and close minded?[/QUOTE] She chose to hide the real cause and reasons for her child's demise, and then couldn't even show her child dignity in death.

just saying doesn't the bible state to "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12) and the parents state things like "this is the way god made you, accept it" wouldn't that then imply that god made her to be trans? (correct me if i'm wrong on any of this)

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823693]Honestly, how can people who think like this call themselves open minded? What you really mean is that you're right and everyone else is either a completely idiot and/or evil. You're no different from those you hate. We have a mother who just lost her child to suicide. I don't know if there's anything more tragic and depressing than to have the child that you bore and rose think that their life isn't worth living anymore so intensely that they end it, and all you have to say is, "Oh, she's probably so evil that she doesn't even feel grief." Can you be more callous and close minded?[/QUOTE] Exactly. People need to keep in mind that, although she was very wrong in what she did, she did those things to her daughter because she sincerely wanted to help her, or "fix" her. Even though she was doing all the wrong things, she did them because she [I]thought[/I] it was what was best for her. I'm not excusing any of her actions, but if you think she's some kind of Disney evil stepmother who hated her child and wanted her to suffer, that's [I]probably[/I] not true. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I just think we're not looking at the situation from the mother's perspective enough. From what I can tell, as she saw it, she was raising a boy. When her child came to her, saying that she wanted to be a girl, she interpreted that as some kind of moral/mental affliction that had to be fixed. To her it sounded like her child just announced they had a terminal illness. She sought out a way to "cure" her of this "illness", which is the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. She was too preoccupied in her religion to have a real sense of understanding for her daughter.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823693]Honestly, how can people who think like this call themselves open minded? What you really mean is that you're right and everyone else is either a completely idiot and/or evil. You're no different from those you hate. We have a mother who just lost her child to suicide. I don't know if there's anything more tragic and depressing than to have the child that you bore and rose think that their life isn't worth living anymore so intensely that they end it, and all you have to say is, "Oh, she's probably so evil that she doesn't even feel grief." Can you be more callous and close minded?[/QUOTE] We don't just have a woman who lost her child to suicide, we have a woman who drove her child to suicide, and the first thing she did after the fact was run damage control on Facebook. With the clear pattern of behavior described in the note and demonstrated in that post it hardly seems like a stretch to assume that she doesn't care.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46823724]We don't just have a woman who lost her child to suicide, we have a woman who drove her child to suicide, and the first thing she did after the fact was run damage control on Facebook. With the clear pattern of behavior described in the note and demonstrated in that post it hardly seems like a stretch to assume that she doesn't care.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you have such an intimate knowledge of this women from a few quotes on facebook to know all her intentions, sadly, I'm not that skilled.

[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;46823721]just saying doesn't the bible state to "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12) and the parents state things like "this is the way god made you, accept it" wouldn't that then imply that god made her to be trans? (correct me if i'm wrong on any of this)[/QUOTE] To be fair, the bible never said homosexuality was a sin, yet people love to cite it. And what they cite is always completely out of context.

[QUOTE=NotYou3;46823665][highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Enforcing SJW marxist agenda." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] good riddance tbh

Yeesh I finally looked at that note. I can't believe people. I'm glad my transition was met with open arms from everyone. But I can't help but feel guilty that some people like Leelah get shafted. :/

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46823700]A mother who drove her child to suicide and calls her the wrong name and pronouns even after she killed herself. Yeah, I'm going to assume she doesn't feel any grief. If she wanted her child to be alive then maybe she should've had some ounce of respect for her and treated her properly, calling her by her chosen name and pronouns If you want to go after someone callous and close-minded then go after the mother who can't be assed to remember the fucking age of her dead child[/QUOTE] She probably refused because, to her, pandering to her son's mental illness would further the problem.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;46823744]good riddance tbh[/QUOTE] well "notyou5" agreed so I don't think he's gone

[QUOTE=NotYou3;46823665]the more "serious trannies" that kill themselves the better. that goes for tranny sympathisers too. transgender what a fuckin joke [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Enforcing SJW marxist agenda." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Thank you Swebonny I think there's a lesson that we can all take from this, and for most of us here we're already on the same page. People should be free to their own path, if Mark wanted to become Michelle or Jill wanted to become Jack they have the right to do so. Who are we to judge on the life choices of an individual, as long as they are happy and it's legal fine by me.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46823752]She probably refused because, to her, pandering to her son's mental illness would further the problem.[/QUOTE] That's an explanation, not an excuse. She's still at fault for driving her daughter to suicide, and if she could have simply respected her, Leelah would still be alive.

[QUOTE=NotYou3;46823665]another fucked up mental patient suicided. owned retard. drawin award candidate right here. get therapy for ur fucking screwed up mental disorder if u think ur a girl trapped in a boys body there is literally something wrong with your brain and you need mental help the more "serious trannies" that kill themselves the better. that goes for tranny sympathisers too. transgender what a fuckin joke [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Enforcing SJW marxist agenda." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] This is better than that Arabic "Islamophobia Allahu akbar" ban.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46823764]That's an explanation, not an excuse. She's still at fault for driving her daughter to suicide, and if she could have simply respected her, Leelah would still be alive.[/QUOTE] He's not trying to say she's not at fault, he's trying to give you an idea of her rationale. It's an incorrect rationale, but it seemed to be the right thing to do in her eyes. It really shows how strict uptight Christianity does nothing but harm

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46823764]That's an explanation, not an excuse. She's still at fault for what her daughter did and she could have simply respected her, and Leelah would still be alive.[/QUOTE] Respect what? Her son's mental illness? You're not supposed to indulge those fantasies, you're supposed to treat them. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Bait" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=NotYou3;46823665]another fucked up mental patient suicided. owned retard. drawin award candidate right here. get therapy for ur fucking screwed up mental disorder if u think ur a girl trapped in a boys body there is literally something wrong with your brain and you need mental help the more "serious trannies" that kill themselves the better. that goes for tranny sympathisers too. transgender what a fuckin joke [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Enforcing SJW marxist agenda." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Imagine living in the 1900s and being on the internet, thats you.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;46823805]Imagine living in the 1900s and being on the internet, thats you.[/QUOTE] Where every man when he came home had his wife hand him a fine bottle of scotch and a cigar, then slapped her face because the scotch wasn't at the right temperature and dinner wasn't on the table.

[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;46823721]just saying doesn't the bible state to "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12) and the parents state things like "this is the way god made you, accept it" wouldn't that then imply that god made her to be trans? (correct me if i'm wrong on any of this)[/QUOTE] People refuse to accept the fact that being trans is the result of a brain... thing (not sure what to call it) and is not a choice, much the same way as being gay or bi or asexual or a million other identities. Exactly how they choose to express themselves is the choice, not the act of being trans. But that's also tricky because some people have it worse than others and won't be happy with anything less than a full transition. Others are okay with less. It's all a question of how severe it is.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46823792]He's not trying to say she's not at fault, he's trying to give you an idea of her rationale. It's an incorrect rationale, but it seemed to be the right thing to do in her eyes. It really shows how strict uptight Christianity does nothing but harm[/QUOTE] No, it shows how Christianity when not understood does harm. The Bible is clear that Christians have no role in judging those outside the church, which I assume the child wanted to be: "I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges." - 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 There's no point in making any judgement on someone who doesn't know better because they literally can't do the right thing if they don't know what the right thing is.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46823797]Respect what? Her son's mental illness? You're not supposed to indulge those fantasies, you're supposed to treat them.[/QUOTE] The only treatment for gender dysphoria [B]is[/B] transitioning, i.e. respecting them for who they are and not being a fucking asshole because it's "wrong".

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46823764]That's an explanation, not an excuse. She's still at fault for driving her daughter to suicide, and if she could have simply respected her, Leelah would still be alive.[/QUOTE] We need to keep in mind that our enemy in the trans rights movement is not a villain. She's a human being. She's a human being raised with "good Christian values" and she's acting on the authority of those values. It's our duty not to dismiss these types of people as hateful bigots (even though they are), but to educate them. If we don't teach them, how will they learn? They're convinced that whatever they believe is right and just, they don't actively know they're being terrible. I feel like I'm having a hard time wording this properly. Do you get what I'm trying to say?

[QUOTE=sgman91;46823701]It's very possible to both disagree with a lifestyle choice and also show love, obviously the parents didn't do that in this scenario. The fact that they aren't facing up to their part in this shows me that they still don't even understand the situation fully.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, this "love the sinner, hate the sin" shit that is thinly veiled queerphobia On paper it makes sense, like how one can love an uncle even though they're addicted to heroine or alchohol, but I see it used more often to go "we love you, but we can't accept your breaking of the status quo!!" It's most likely at these parents did the best they could with what they knew, but that doesn't make their actions any less monstrous for driving their daughter to suicide. It's still terrifying that these sequences of events were allowed to happen, and it's scary to all hell that EVEN bigots with good intentions can do horrible things and not notice what they did wrong.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46823797]Respect what? Her son's mental illness? You're not supposed to indulge those fantasies, you're supposed to treat them.[/QUOTE] Treatment of gender dysphoria has largely been agreed on to be reassignment surgery. It's a problem that you can't just block out with meds or ignore in the way most people deal with depression. Hormone treatments aren't cheap, and I expect they lose efficacy over time, but even taking the hormones for your sex will not change how you feel about your gender or body. Reassignment might cost a lot, but in the long run the person will be happier and feel more at peace with their appearance. It's not "indulging a mental illness", it's the treatment.

From a Christian perspective the heart is really all that matters in the end and since we cannot know the heart, or intentions, of someone outside of the church, then there's no way to make any judgement.