Transgender teen leaves note on tumblr blaming Christian parents for suicide - Polidicks

I got a fun fact for you guys to spread around, if you don't know already. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals]Homosexuality is not only found in humans, but other living creatures as well.[/url] Most likely this means that Transgender might also be found in animals, but honestly how is anyone going to figure that out? Good thing to throw up when people say Homosexuality/Transgender isn't natural.

[QUOTE=joes33431;46823962]to disrespect another human being on the grounds that they disrespect human beings as well is merely a knee-jerk expression of revenge and has no place in actually bringing an end to persistent bigoted attitudes.[/QUOTE] nope, fuck this shit. If someone holds an opinion that is undeniably shitty, and actively shows dislike for other human beings because of it. I'm going to give them shit or dislike them for holding such views. It doesn't stop me trying to change their opinion, but if they show no sign of changing or even wanting to understand, why should I give them the common courtesy to continue being fucking awful to others without getting shit for it? The mother clearly showed no intention of even wanting to understand the trans* issues their child was facing, and outright harmed their kid by taking them to "counselling" (doubt they were even a doctor), making the kid feel unwelcome in the world and awful about themselves. also it'd be super fucking nice to hear your own opinion on shit for once sgman, instead of this philosophy student bollocks you post all the time.

[QUOTE=Vipes;46824001]I got a fun fact for you guys to spread around, if you don't know already. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals]Homosexuality is not only found in humans, but other living creatures as well.[/url] Most likely this means that Transgender might also be found in animals, but honestly how is anyone going to figure that out? Good thing to throw up when people say Homosexuality/Transgender isn't natural.[/QUOTE] and guess what buster? those animals go to hell as well. you're a fool if you don't think that. say hi to fido the transgender dog in the burning afterlife for me.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46824010]nope, fuck this shit. [B]If someone holds an opinion that is undeniably shitty, and actively shows dislike for other human beings because of it.[/B] I'm going to give them shit or dislike them for holding such views. It doesn't stop me trying to change their opinion, but if they show no sign of changing or even wanting to understand, why should I give them the common courtesy to continue being fucking awful to others without getting shit for it? The mother clearly showed no intention of even wanting to understand the trans* issues their child was facing, and outright harmed their kid by taking them to "counselling" (doubt they were even a doctor), making the kid feel unwelcome in the world and awful about themselves. also it'd be super fucking nice to hear your own opinion on shit for once sgman, instead of this philosophy student bollocks you post all the time.[/QUOTE] You literally described yourself.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824017]You literally described yourself.[/QUOTE] Oh boy what an amazingly insightful reply. Holding opinions that some people are being fucking shits is not the same as holding opinions that drive people to suicide.

[QUOTE=joes33431;46823920]the cognitive capacity for reason, genetic sense of morality (many species survive better in cooperative packs), and inherent neurological sense of empathy that had driven theologians and philosophers to pen their interpretations of reality and the origin thereof for the past few millenia.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you're making use of that thesaurus you got for Christmas.

[QUOTE=Bobie;46824016]and guess what buster? those animals go to hell as well. you're a fool if you don't think that. say hi to fido the transgender dog in the burning afterlife for me.[/QUOTE] Humor me. Why would they go to hell? If you say "God doesn't like homos", please cite it for me.

[QUOTE=Vipes;46823736]To be fair, the bible never said homosexuality was a sin, yet people love to cite it. And what they cite is always completely out of context.[/QUOTE] No, I'm pretty sure it does, though I've never gotten my hands on a copy of the [I]St. Let's Yet Again Reinterpret the Words of a Bunch of Backwards Dirt Farmers from a Thousand Years Ago So We Can Keep Our Religion Without Getting Left Behind By Society[/I] edition.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824017]You literally described yourself.[/QUOTE] "I know what you are" arguments huh how fucking old are you gosh

The problem is there are very strong opinions that make life actively harder for other people. Trans people are treated like second class citizens most of the time, that much in undeniable. For many it takes thousands and thousands of dollars just to make them appear the way they should to be treated normally. Many don't even get that much and are forced to live their lives constantly being called something they are not. And don't even get me started on the violence... All I want is to be treated like a regular girl. For the most part, that's all any trans person wants. But there are people with very poorly-formed and misguided opinions like "being trans is a sin against God" that make that impossible in today's age. So, you can see where a lot of the resentment comes from..

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46824036]No, I'm pretty sure it does, though I've never gotten my hands on a copy of the [I]St. Let's Yet Again Reinterpret the Words of a Bunch of Backwards Dirt Farmers from a Thousand Years Ago So We Can Keep Our Religion Without Getting Left Behind By Society[/I] edition.[/QUOTE] Thats right, I forgot, the bible keeps getting rewritten every decade or so. The true Neverending Story.

[QUOTE=Vipes;46824035]Humor me. Why would they go to hell? If you say "God doesn't like homos", please cite it for me.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm[/url] there you go. your move, buster.

[QUOTE=Bobie;46823961]we are not a 'species', we are the [i]human[/i] race. it honestly baffles me that anyone can believe we were never without God and ever not civilized. what would you know about the past few 'millenia'? i bet you've never even picked up a bible.[/QUOTE] well actually i grew up in a baptist home, and both of my parents went to Johnson Bible College (now Johnson University) in Tennessee. i used to go to church every sunday, and very much enjoyed my experience there. but i was convinced, at one point, that what the christian mythos and the agenda that people use christianity to support were neither very reasonable nor helpful. you are free to disagree with me, and i won't waste either of our time trying to argue about something like that. biblical text aside, we also have: 1. the fossil record 2. written records 3. oral traditions 4. artifacts those are all evidence of the fact that human beings (and the religions that older iterations of man have created) have existed well before yours. by all means, feel free to have your religion and be happy about it, but don't patronize the rest of the world by pretending that their traditions don't exist (or worse, were manufactured by the devil) and that somehow we would all turn into savages without religious belief. moral teachings can easily exist outside of religious doctrine, because a moral compass can in of itself be based on sentiment and rational discourse. it makes sense that i would love my family and respect them, because they provide for me and enrich my life. it makes sense that i wouldn't go nextdoor and murder my neighbor, because 1) i wouldn't have the stomach for it, 2) i probably wouldn't succeed, and 3) he has a life and a family and they'd be laid to ruin with sorrow if i went and did something like that, and 4) as a human being with a capacity for empathy, i wouldn't want the same to happen to me. if the only reason that you're not stealing, raping, and killing is the fear of being punished by an all-powerful force, then you should really consider your own capacity for moral thought.

[QUOTE=Bobie;46823961]we are not a 'species', we are the [i]human[/i] race. it honestly baffles me that anyone can believe we were never without God and ever not civilized. what would you know about the past few 'millenia'? i bet you've never even picked up a bible.[/QUOTE] What are you doing in this thread right now? None of this has to do with the discussion

[QUOTE=NotYou3;46823665]another fucked up mental patient suicided. owned retard. drawin award candidate right here. get therapy for ur fucking screwed up mental disorder if u think ur a girl trapped in a boys body there is literally something wrong with your brain and you need mental help the more "serious trannies" that kill themselves the better. that goes for tranny sympathisers too. transgender what a fuckin joke [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Enforcing SJW marxist agenda." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] if you can't handle transgender people beyond treating them as a cheap comedic prop then you have your own shit to work out

[QUOTE=Bobie;46823867]let me ask a question to the members of this forum: how can you possibly have a moral compass without religion? a lot of you here seem to be 'a theists'.[/QUOTE] The bible and religion does have some good teachings in it, but some of them are admittably outdated and too many that come up today are likely just made up by people who need an excuse for their biased opinions. Like how "god hates fags" or "god made you like that, stay like that because he hates you otherwise".

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46824061]What are you doing in this thread right now? None of this has to do with the discussion[/QUOTE] derail and troll, just report him

[QUOTE=Bobie;46824051][url]http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm[/url] there you go. your move, buster.[/QUOTE] Everyone PLEASE ignore him, he's a troll

[QUOTE=Bobie;46824051][url]http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm[/url] there you go. your move, buster.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Today too some interpreters uphold that understanding of these passages, while other interpreters maintain that they do not condemn homosexuality, saying that historical context suggests other interpretations or that rare or unusual words in the passages may not be referring to homosexuality.[/QUOTE] History channel, I beleive, even did a special on Homosexuality and the bible. Stating that said quotes were taken out of context, even pointing out a few homosexual couples in the bible itself.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;46824042]"I know what you are" arguments huh how fucking old are you gosh[/QUOTE] I guess I need to explain: He said that if someone holds an opinion that he believes is bad enough, and that they don't like people because of it, then he has the right to not like them back and to treat them badly. Guess what? I think his opinion is bad, and it is causing him to dislike and treat people badly because of it. According to his opinion I have the right to dislike and treat him badly. Don't you see how circular this is? It leads to nothing valuable.

[QUOTE=Bobie;46824051][url]http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm[/url] there you go. your move, buster.[/QUOTE] I genuinely hope that you're trolling.

This is so unbelievably disheartening. fuck.

[QUOTE=Vipes;46824086]History channel, I beleive, even did a special on Homosexuality and the bible. Stating that said quotes were taken out of context, even pointing out a few homosexual couples in the bible itself.[/QUOTE] History channel is sensationalist trash, never take it at face value. Sure, there are modern denominations that argue for homosexuality being fine in the Bible, but it goes against the long standing tradition. Since the very beginning homosexual sex (note that it doesn't say anything about desire) has been declared a sin by the church. The author of the very first Christian apology to the Roman emperor, Aristides, even argues for it in the second century.

[QUOTE=Talkbox;46824031]I'm glad you're making use of that thesaurus you got for Christmas.[/QUOTE] ok here's the simple version: we think rationally, feel each others' pain, and have an inherent desire to protect one another for our own mutual good. these things, along with social and cultural factors, were what inspired philosophers and theologians to write the religions we have today. the morality preceded the religion, not the other way around. did i satisfy you, lord talkbox

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824094]History channel is sensationalist trash, never take it at face value.[/QUOTE] There are some people whose posts I wish I could like, subscribe to. They just get too funny.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46824094]History channel is sensationalist trash, never take it at face value.[/QUOTE] Actually this was back when History Channel was decent. Many years ago. But still, maybe saying that wasn't the best but just Google the stuff. [QUOTE=Shark Bones;46824103]There are some people whose posts I wish I could like, subscribe to. They just get too funny.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I get it. I'm stupid.

[QUOTE=Vipes;46824001] Good thing to throw up when people say Homosexuality/Transgender isn't natural.[/QUOTE] A better response to this argument is that pretty much nothing in our lives is natural anymore. Coca Cola, computers, guns, automobiles. Why condemn something as unnatural? Why does that matter? Are you Amish? We're not living in the 1500s anymore, we're not really all about nature like we used to be. [sp]I'm not arguing with you, just presenting an alternative counter-argument[/sp]

Saw this on r/asktransgender - so awful! [quote] I know this really doesn't belong here, but I need support really fucking badly. My friend Leelah was a 17 year old trans girl. We met through Reddit because she had been in a similar situation with her parents not accepting her and taking away her stuff. We became best friend quickly, connecting and loving each others company as girls. She had a lot of trouble with her parents because they were borderline abusive and made horrible comments towards her. She cut a lot and talked about suicide. Recently, she hadn't talked to me at all (past 3 days). This worried me a lot. I had sent her messages and tried to contact her, but nothing. Just a couple of minutes ago, I decided to check for her birth name online to see if she had been in accident or hurt or anything, and the first thing I saw was this. I honestly cannot deal with this. I'm in tears and it doesn't seem real. I can't believe someone so close to me is now gone forever. I just wish I could've been there to help her more. I also wish there was some way to contact the writer to change the pronouns of this post to at least show her the respect she needs. I'm sorry for this post, I just need some comfort somehow, I feel so alone now, and I miss her so much. You'll always be my big sis Leelah <3[/quote] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/2qsva5/my_best_friend_died_i_need_comfort_badly/[/url]

[QUOTE=Vipes;46824106]Yeah, I get it. I'm stupid.[/QUOTE] More in particular the "don't take it seriously it's the History channel" thing. I mean come on, even Fox News occasionally does a story well.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;46824048]The problem is there are very strong opinions that make life actively harder for other people. Trans people are treated like second class citizens most of the time, that much in undeniable. For many it takes thousands and thousands of dollars just to make them appear the way they should to be treated normally. Many don't even get that much and are forced to live their lives constantly being called something they are not. And don't even get me started on the violence... All I want is to be treated like a regular girl. For the most part, that's all any trans person wants. But there are people with very poorly-formed and misguided opinions like "being trans is a sin against God" that make that impossible in today's age. So, you can see where a lot of the resentment comes from..[/QUOTE] Merely disagreeing with someone strongly shouldn't itself be an infringement on their personal freedoms, though I understand that direct attacks and insults are definitely infringing on someone's right to the pursuit of happiness but where do you draw the line of allowance between [I]their[/I] personal freedom to dislike things and [I]your[/I] personal freedom of not being disliked in an equal society [editline]f[/editline] [QUOTE=Tone Float;46824124]There's a whole entire nature-versus-nurture argument to be had, there's a lot of evidence that it's very much based on the structure of your brain at birth, prior to any "personal experiences", but the consensus among everyone who knows what they're talking about is that [B]it's super complex and no attempt can or should be made to change any of it right now[/B][/QUOTE] I'm not asking why genders or sexualities aren't changable, but why opinions of people which are generally solidified over the course of their life in a seemingly similar process are considered to be fluid in a way gender or sexuality isn't.