Bill O'Reilly: Media Labeling Norway Killer Breivik 'Christian' Because 'They Don't Like Christians' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31383868]Look what the statement said as a whole. "I don't have a relationship with Christ", followed by several statements denigrating Christianity as little more than a social and moral platform. Does this evoke absolutely NO doubt in your mind that he is a Christian?[/QUOTE] I know more than a few church-going, avowed christians in multiple protestant sects who have said similar shit, so no. Shit's not black and white, it's shades of grey. That might not fly with you in particular, but I also know of christian communities that think catholicism isn't christianity either. This is a simple no true scotsman beef and it doesn't fly.

if he's not christian why was he talking about praying to god etc in his diary?

Well I can't judge by your experiences so whatever. I am assuming they didn't say they "had no personal religious relationship with Christ", but the latter part [editline]28th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;31384563]if he's not christian why was he talking about praying to god etc in his diary?[/QUOTE] Welp okay I never read the diary or made any attempt to, amd was solely going by that first bit

No, some said something along the line of "no personal relationship with Christ." The degree to which a religious person thinks they can or attempts to speak with their respective deities varies wildly. Hell, I've used that one as a lie (and an alternative form, "no, I've never been 'touched' by God") with fundies on a couple occasions.

Huh. Okay.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;31384077]The thing is the definition of a Christian is someone who follows Christ - the only way to do that is by accepting him as your savior and having a relationship with him. Christianity doesn't have rules, regulations or cultural identity - anyone from any culture can call themselves a christian. All this Anders guy wants is to go back to Medieval Europe in terms of culture, that's what he means when he says he want Europe to keep it's Christian identity. I for one as a Christian don't want that in the slightest. I'm pretty sure this guy would kill an Arab even if they had converted.[/QUOTE] He would. But it's not about pulling us back to medieval times. You have to understand Scandinavian culture to understand him. When other people start deciding what other individuals religions are, that's when we get violence and immense amounts of stupid. he says that he's a cultural Christian, then he's a cultural Christian. American (stupid as shit) Christian isn't the only way and by far the worst way of practising the religion. Scandinavia's state-church is very laid back and more eased into the culture in general rather than spreading bad shit insane extreme nonsense through dumbshit troll broadcasts and generations of inbreeding. you have no business deciding whether other peoples beliefs are valid or even genuine. a "personal," religious relationship with Christ, believes in Christianity "as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform," which he says "makes [me] Christian." is pretty much part of the culture over here. We're a christian nation that does NOT get into the details, do not butt into each others stuff and don't try to troll other people about "lul ur not chrustiun cuz u not dumb as me!" I call it... sanity. This is also why many people see America as a fucking circus. Absolutely not a single sane word about religion in their media ever. All about status over there. I kind of see it as a parallel to "blood status" in the Potterverse or family tree in Nazi-Germany. One fuck-up and your social status is jeopardized and stupid shits take control. It's absolute torture to watch. I'd like to finish off by saying that i find this "Anders guy" to be an absolute psychopathic nut. but even psychopaths are religious. In fact, most religious extremist people have a mental defect. If people could just stop believing, the world would be an instabetter place. We used religion to shape ourselves, now bye bye religion. We're all grown up.

[QUOTE=Scotty.;31356715]Why are so called "news anchors" such a big deal in the states? I really don't get it. It's almost they're like celebrities or something. Can people not just read out the fucking news over there without making retarded comments on it?[/QUOTE] They have massive influence over here, so the need to expose them and fact-check is really important. I just hate religion. Not religious people, I hate the establishment, the practice, the irrational beliefs, etc.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31384608]No, some said something along the line of "no personal relationship with Christ." The degree to which a religious person thinks they can or attempts to speak with their respective deities varies wildly. Hell, I've used that one as a lie (and an alternative form, "no, I've never been 'touched' by God") with fundies on a couple occasions.[/QUOTE]Do not forget that this another persons attempt at telling other people just when they count as religious. This is actually blatant blasphemy according to the bible as you're never to judge another persons belief in relation to your own. He could go to hell for that. But of course no modern, egocentric, smug Christian gives a shit about that. Too busy judging each other before god. [editline]28th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Hostel;31385457]They have massive influence over here, so the need to expose them and fact-check is really important.[/QUOTE]THey wouldn't have influence if people used common sense more often. What the hell is wrong with your country?

O'Rielly always seems to be fresh from reading "The Birth of a Nation"

This is the genius: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY[/media]

[QUOTE=Bomimo;31385423]he says that he's a cultural Christian, then he's a cultural Christian. American (stupid as shit) Christian isn't the only way and by far the worst way of practising the religion.[/QUOTE] I'd say the "worst way" is the one where you slaughter a hundred kids at a summer camp, but that's just me...

[QUOTE=TH89;31392859]I'd say the "worst way" is the one where you slaughter a hundred kids at a summer camp, but that's just me...[/QUOTE]Can't deny that. But that was one psycho as a result of our religious system. At least we don't build up our whole social, educational and justice system on ridiculous biblical claims coming from old rich pricks who want control. How many do you have roaming free. the WBC alone counts 30. Then we get those of them who lead the retards, like Glenn Beck and other people. Or in other terms: Brainwashing isn't legal or socially acceptable over here.

Oh Bill..... You so crazy.

[I]No true scotsman...[/I]

The video made me laugh.

Heard about this bullshit on the Daily Show. [url]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-27-2011/in-the-name-of-the-fodder[/url] Yeah, there's no way this guy is even marginally Christian. Nevermind the 1500-page manifesto and the crusader mentality. Just because he claims to be a Christian, doesn't mean he is. Oh hey, Bill. Remember that whole thing where you painted the Fort Hood murderer as a Muslim extremist because he had a business card saying he was a soldier of Allah? I guess a business card is more official than a self-written, 1500-page book. Fox News isn't even trying anymore. It's just sad.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;31404180]Just because he claims to be a Christian, doesn't mean he is.[/QUOTE] But that's the only requirement for being a christian

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31404324]But that's the only requirement for being a christian[/QUOTE] so if I say i'm a muslim, that makes me a muslim? regardless of whatever i do or believe in?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31355955]But he wasn't a Christian extremist, he was a nationalist.[/QUOTE] He was considered himself a Christan and he was an extremist, shush. [editline]29th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31405560]so if I say i'm a muslim, that makes me a muslim? regardless of whatever i do or believe in?[/QUOTE] If you're a practicing Muslim and you go against it, it makes you a shitty Muslim. Doesn't make you a non-Muslim, just makes you a bad muslim.

to be honest, anyone that claims they follow a religion to the bone and then goes out bombing is a bit of a hypocrite. if you take what he says literally, it is true except when bill goes into the whole MEDIAA LIEESS shit then he just takes the idea a little into the dumb route

[QUOTE=UnMute;31363847]Just saw this on TYT: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6lOP_BfLg&feature=feedu[/media] God damn he is stupid.[/QUOTE] Found this in related videos [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBmgHJsB6sg[/media] Wwwoooowwwww :v:

[QUOTE=Bobie;31408254]to be honest, anyone that claims they follow a religion to the bone and then goes out bombing is a bit of a hypocrite. if you take what he says literally, it is true except when bill goes into the whole MEDIAA LIEESS shit then he just takes the idea a little into the dumb route[/QUOTE]Anders never claimed to follow any religion to any kind of bone. He's a cultural Christian. This is obvious to any Scandinavian since that's what 90% of the population here is. We are baptised, married and buried. We practise holidays in a less commercial manner than the US and don't let it dominate our mind. Christianity in Scandinavia. That's also all it should be. People should stop labelling other peoples religion according to their own scala. It's blasphemy according to the bible. Any good christian shouldn't be doing that. If you people can't handle that Christian extremists exist then please, by all means become disillusioned with religion. Face reality. If you can't handle the involvement of religion in this, then how about we just call him a mass-murderer and call it a day? that, of course would require you to view any Muslim murderer in the same, religious-free light. Can you?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31404324]But that's the only requirement for being a christian[/QUOTE] I was speaking from O'Reilly's perspective. :v:

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31355955]But he wasn't a Christian extremist, he was a nationalist.[/QUOTE] Who said those things are mutually exclusive?

if I knock on peoples doors asking them to submit to christ does that make me a jehova's witness? :v:

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31405560]so if I say i'm a muslim, that makes me a muslim? regardless of whatever i do or believe in?[/QUOTE] Pretty much yeah Everyone interprets religion differently so you're whatever you choose to label yourself as

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31416085]Pretty much yeah Everyone interprets religion differently so you're whatever you choose to label yourself as[/QUOTE] Hardly - you can't have multiple, completely different things under one banner. Otherwise, my chair may as well be my desk, my car, the President of America and a theological concept debated by St Thomas Aquinas. To speak of the example, Muslims are Muslims because they believe in the key tenements of the Islamic faith. If you don't - you're not a Muslim, full stop. Religion is not completely subjective.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31427342]Hardly - you can't have multiple, completely different things under one banner. Otherwise, my chair may as well be my desk, my car, the President of America and a theological concept debated by St Thomas Aquinas. To speak of the example, Muslims are Muslims because they believe in the key tenements of the Islamic faith. If you don't - you're not a Muslim, full stop. Religion is not completely subjective.[/QUOTE] Are you saying it's partially subjective?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31427356]Are you saying it's partially subjective?[/QUOTE] Some of the finer details of the individual relations, yes. How can I not, when Muslims quote the Koran as guidance to kill Christians, while other Muslims quote the Koran as guidance for peace? However, you can't then swing the other way to think that a "Christian" doesn't need to believe in Christ to be a Christian, or whatnot. There's a line, somewhere.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31427342]Hardly - you can't have multiple, completely different things under one banner. Otherwise, my chair may as well be my desk, my car, the President of America and a theological concept debated by St Thomas Aquinas. To speak of the example, Muslims are Muslims because they believe in the key tenements of the Islamic faith. If you don't - you're not a Muslim, full stop. Religion is not completely subjective.[/QUOTE] Of course people can be cognitively dissonant. People are fucking stupid, they can do lots of self contradictory things. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31427674]Some of the finer details of the individual relations, yes. How can I not, when Muslims quote the Koran as guidance to kill Christians, while other Muslims quote the Koran as guidance for peace? However, you can't then swing the other way to think that a "Christian" doesn't need to believe in Christ to be a Christian, or whatnot. There's a line, somewhere.[/QUOTE] There's a line saying you should kill disobedient children. If you're going to bring up one line of the Bible, then I can bring up one too.