Apple explains to the Australian Court why their prices are so damn high "We'd love cheaper prices" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Alyx;40009277]The minimum wage in North America is +/- 10USD/h, in Australia it's +/- 20AUD/h ≈ 21USD/h[/QUOTE] The amount of tax we pay is crazy and general cost of living

A house around my area goes for 1-2million dollars. My parents bought this house over 20 years ago for 200k

[QUOTE=Alyx;40009277]The minimum wage in North America is +/- 10USD/h, in Australia it's +/- 20AUD/h ≈ 21USD/h[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mkt778;40009238]Digital microscope found in Jaycar (Electronics store): $65 The exact same digital microscope found online: $20[/QUOTE] Huh, imagine that. People aren't just complaining because they don't know how to maths. I'm fairly sure a $45 difference on a $20 product is significantly larger than a $10 per hour difference in wages. (~3.25 hours to afford it for Australians versus 2 for Americans there. See the problem yet?)

I am not so clever but isn't the prices being so high in Australia a result in its geographical position and the population?

[QUOTE=Alyx;40009277]The minimum wage in North America is +/- 10USD/h, in Australia it's +/- 20AUD/h ≈ 21USD/h[/QUOTE] And that means we should pay more for digital downloads because?

[QUOTE=Black;40009812]I am not so clever but isn't the prices being so high in Australia a result in its geographical position and the population?[/QUOTE] I doubt it costs that much more considering how it is still cheaper to fly to the US to buy stuff then fly back. Flying is like the most expensive method of transport

[QUOTE=Black;40009812]I am not so clever but isn't the prices being so high in Australia a result in its geographical position and the population?[/QUOTE] I can see the geographical area issue up to a point, It probably costs more to ship stuff to Australia, But adding that to Digital Downloads is full on bullshit

Why does australia even have dollars and not pounds?

[QUOTE=Tracker;40009440]I'm not sure what everyone's going on about with Adobe, they're a brilliant company. Photoshop is easily one of the most pirated programs out there and I've never heard them kick up a stink about it, they don't really care that much and generally for good reason, if it weren't for piracy I would never have subscribed to the Adobe Creative Cloud and I'm pretty sure a lot of people are in the same boat. Adobe is one of the few companies that recognise this. The pricing model for the suites has been in place ever since there was a huge difference in the exchange rates, and now that we're bouncing between parity, Adobe has moved to recognise this; their flagship product is exactly the same price in Australia as it is in America. [img]http://i.imgur.com/UM9Z89E.jpg[/img] Adobe are moving to the future, while Apple, Microsoft and various video game publishers are stuck in the past with archaic business models.[/QUOTE] isn't apple the only one that actually has an excuse

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;40007115]I was listening to some of the testimony on the radio yesterday, the Adobe guy claimed the reason for such a price difference was due to the Australian website being "more personalised". [/QUOTE] The funny this about that is the Adobe guy soon after said that the Australian and American versions of Adobe and their new cloud software is identical.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;40007688]yeah free $200 os, how greedy >:C[/QUOTE] To be fair, while it may have been free for him, it sure as heck wasn't free for the school. Microsoft and Apple charge obscene amounts of money to schools for use of their products. My dad was the administrator of technology for our city school district, and set the budgets and such for about fifteen area schools. Simply having access to the Microsoft Office suite for all the schools in the district took a massive chunk out of the annual budget, which is why he was pushing for adaptation of freeware alternatives, like Google Docs. Shying away from Microsoft products would save hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars per year for school districts, depending on how many schools needed new licenses. Microsoft and Apple [I]are[/I] greedy. I mean, they're businesses, and they need to turn a profit, which I completely understand, but since they effectively monopolize the markets for their respective products (Microsoft Office is the industry standard, taught in just about every school in the United States), they gouge the prices to the point where many schools have to decide, literally, between renovating entirely new computer labs, or renewing Microsoft licenses so that they can continue to teach Excel, or whatever. It's been pretty exciting to see Google growing up, because it is extremely likely that schools will begin making the switch [I]en masse[/I] to the more affordable services that it offers.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;40010346]isn't apple the only one that actually has an excuse[/QUOTE] Yes and no. Yes for the stuff on itunes since it's up to the author/record company to decide the price, and no for their own products. They said it's more expensive because the aussie website is "personalized".

ah, well hardware prices are pretty fucking bullshit almost everywhere, and i wish it was just apple.

[QUOTE=Strikebango;40010115]Why does australia even have dollars and not pounds?[/QUOTE] because theyre a different country

Heaps of companies make us Australians pay more despite the exchange rate. Computers parts cost 10-25% more for no reason. [QUOTE=Tracker;40009440]I'm not sure what everyone's going on about with Adobe, they're a brilliant company. Photoshop is easily one of the most pirated programs out there and I've never heard them kick up a stink about it, they don't really care that much and generally for good reason, if it weren't for piracy I would never have subscribed to the Adobe Creative Cloud and I'm pretty sure a lot of people are in the same boat. Adobe is one of the few companies that recognise this. The pricing model for the suites has been in place ever since there was a huge difference in the exchange rates, and now that we're bouncing between parity, Adobe has moved to recognise this; their flagship product is exactly the same price in Australia as it is in America. [img]http://i.imgur.com/UM9Z89E.jpg[/img] Adobe are moving to the future, while Apple, Microsoft and various video game publishers are stuck in the past with archaic business models.[/QUOTE]Just though it'd mention, Autodesk allow students to download non-commercial version of their software for free. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Strikebango;40010115]Why does australia even have dollars and not pounds?[/QUOTE] Because on 14 February 1966 the government ditched the pounds for dollars so we could have decimal currency.

[QUOTE]if customers didn't like it they would "vote with their wallets".[/QUOTE] "Well maybe if you buy more of our over-priced shit we'll consider lowering the prices. Oh wait, we won't, because you've shown us that it really is within your power to buy all of our over-priced shit at the prices they are now!"

And why is flying stuff to the USA cheaper again? Pretty much all electronics for example are made in Asia these days (China, Taiwan, etc). The distance from China to Australia is much less than the distance from China to the USA.

valve do this too, especially with the eurozone we can get ripped off pretty bad in a lot of cases [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Strikebango;40010115]Why does australia even have dollars and not pounds?[/QUOTE] By that logic canada should be using pounds too

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40011828]valve do this too, especially with the eurozone we can get ripped off pretty bad in a lot of cases [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] By that logic canada should be using pounds too[/QUOTE] Yeah, I still can't believe we're at 1 Euro = $1. It was a really shit move by Valve and it made me buy A LOT less games from Steam. These days, some developers put lower prices for certain Eurozone countries, but most don't bother.

[QUOTE=Alyx;40009277]The minimum wage in North America is +/- 10USD/h, in Australia it's +/- 20AUD/h ≈ 21USD/h[/QUOTE] I don't know about Australasian minimum wage, but I know [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States]for a fact[/url] that minimum wage in America is not around a $10/hr average, even on a per-state level. the closest is Washington State's $9.19 an hour, with the federal minimum wage being $7.25 an hour.

[QUOTE=willer;40011311]"Well maybe if you buy more of our over-priced shit we'll consider lowering the prices. Oh wait, we won't, because you've shown us that it really is within your power to buy all of our over-priced shit at the prices they are now!"[/QUOTE] I think your missing the point. Simply if demand is lowered in Austrialia for iPhones, then the iPhone will become cheaper there to bring demand back up. What they are saying is that if its too expensive, it will show since less people will buy it, which doesn't seem to be the case since last time I checked, iPhones are selling fairly well there.

[QUOTE=Zet;40010738]Yes and no. Yes for the stuff on itunes since it's up to the author/record company to decide the price, and no for their own products. They said it's more expensive because the aussie website is "personalized".[/QUOTE] That was Adobe, Apple is really only being questioned over iTunes and not so much their hardware. Apart from the iPhone/iPad (Our mobile tech is different so we get a custom model, that drives the price up) most prices on Apple products are pretty similar, the iMac is $1,299 in the US and $1,429 in Australia, which could easily be explained as taxes/shipping. Hell, take GST away from the high end model of iMac, and the price is exactly the same as in the US.

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[QUOTE=Strikebango;40010115]Why does australia even have dollars and not pounds?[/QUOTE] We did before 1966 when the Australian Government decided it'd be better with decimal currency (and it is better) We maybe with the commonwealth and be pretty integrated with the UK but we don't want and like pounds

Apple are still are selling Mac Pros with Socket 1366 and Raedon HD 5770s (they still say 'ATI'), [url]http://www.apple.com/au/macpro/specs.html[/url] They don't think much of Australian customers.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;40012851]I don't know about Australasian minimum wage, but I know [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States"]for a fact[/URL] that minimum wage in America is not around a $10/hr average, even on a per-state level. the closest is Washington State's $9.19 an hour, with the federal minimum wage being $7.25 an hour.[/QUOTE] For what it's worth: Australia's absolute-bare-minimum wage is roughly $15.60, though even a retail clerk will make more than that. [QUOTE=Tracker;40009440]The pricing model for the suites has been in place ever since there was a huge difference in the exchange rates, and now that we're bouncing between parity, Adobe has moved to recognise this; their flagship product is exactly the same price in Australia as it is in America. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UM9Z89E.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That's for cloud-pricing only. Compare with Adobe's Master Collection (equivalent of the Creative Cloud) and Photoshop Extended, because this is where the real problem starts. [img]http://3nonetwo.com/zpers/images/adobeUSAAUSprices.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Martele;40007254]posted on a windows 7 pc[/QUOTE] POSTED ON A MAC

[QUOTE=Diago21;40032016]POSTED ON A MAC[/QUOTE] Uh... So?

[QUOTE=Diago21;40032016]POSTED ON A MAC[/QUOTE]A Mac running Windows?