• Fukushima officially declared as bad as Chernobyl
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Can you keep your stupid environmental politics debates out of this? This is a fucking tragedy and a crisis. Can you stop playing environ-political happyslaps long enough to realize that? Also, I wouldn't want to live in Cali right now.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;29148997]If this really was as bad as Chernobyl, there would be no more Japan.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;29121686]The number of deaths is not the determining factor.[/QUOTE] it is considering the number of people/square feet. if it was as bad as Chernobyl there would have been WAY more deaths.
[QUOTE=krazipanda;29153285]it is considering the number of people/square feet. if it was as bad as Chernobyl there would have been WAY more deaths.[/QUOTE]Japan would pretty much be a dead island in that instance, or at least the top half.
If you have 2 hours,. here is an SFU lecture on Fukushima [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saM85y8lFm4&feature=feedu[/media]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;29153141]Can you keep your stupid environmental politics debates out of this? This is a fucking tragedy and a crisis. Can you stop playing environ-political happyslaps long enough to realize that? Also, I wouldn't want to live in Cali right now.[/QUOTE] Why is it every time I see you posting you're whinging like an old Jewish man with arthritis? And I didn't like living in Cali before the fucking radiation.
[QUOTE=nikomo;29123634]So is Chernobyl. It takes millions of years for that shit to decay.[/QUOTE] no it takes decades [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Sun;29123676]Its for reasons like this why I am against nuclear energy UNTIL we can WITHOUT A DOUBT have everything under control.[/QUOTE] coal-fired power stations have killed more people than all other types of power generation combined
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29156011]no it takes decades[/QUOTE]Depends on the half-life of the atomic particals...
[QUOTE=madmax678;29156164]Depends on the half-life of the atomic particals...[/QUOTE] fine the ones with the shortest half lives take a few days the ones with the longest half lives take decades
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;29148736]Damn this sucks, I hope Japan can recover from this. I have no doubt that they can, but I wonder how long it will take. Lets just hope that things don't get worse over there.[/QUOTE] There goes my cheap Japanese motor import prices. I get the feeling that alot of our J-Imports are going to skyrocket in price. But I guess It would have to be done in order to help them out. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] Has anyone else noticed that we have had 3 major world disasters happen just months apart? Queensland floods Christchurch Earthquake Japanese Earthquake, Tsunami, Nuclear Disaster (which is the result of a natural disaster) [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29156215]fine the ones with the shortest half lives take a few days the ones with the longest half lives take decades[/QUOTE] Isn't Tritium one of the most common Radioactive Gasses?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29156215]fine the ones with the shortest half lives take a few days the ones with the longest half lives take decades[/QUOTE]About 30 years for Caesium 137, iirc the longest-lived isotope released in the Chernobyl disaster. But half-life doesn't mean period of time until radiation levels become safe. That'll take hundreds. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignyte;29160945]Isn't Tritium one of the most common Radioactive Gasses?[/QUOTE]It's not produced that much in uranium or plutonium fuelled reactors (but there is some of it), it's usually only produced in reactors designed for the purpose of creating nuclear weapons material. It's also rare in nature; radon is far more commonly produced (but has a far shorter half-life)
hahahahah fukushima, btw hope they all die k cya [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Asshole" - Overv))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;29165421]It's not produced that much in uranium or plutonium fuelled reactors (but there is some of it), it's usually only produced in reactors designed for the purpose of creating nuclear weapons material. It's also rare in nature; radon is far more commonly produced (but has a far shorter half-life)[/QUOTE] Ahhk, If Tritium is rare, come come it's sold?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;29165421]About 30 years for Caesium 137, iirc the longest-lived isotope released in the Chernobyl disaster. But half-life doesn't mean period of time until radiation levels become safe. That'll take hundreds.[/QUOTE] it's predicted that the chernobyl npp will be safe by 2065
[QUOTE=Jenkem;29148655]So you're implying that since the same design issue is not the fault at Fukushima, the same level of damage can't happen? Son, it doesn't matter what caused the fault if it's leaking radioactive garbage into the ecosystem and atmosphere.[/QUOTE] Not sure if trolling or just an imbecile. If you haven't looked in the other threads, I actually know shit about how nuclear power works, at least sgt doom knows stuff about it too. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;29153055]Answer me these questions 3, 'ere the truth of the devastation you seek. 1: Do the Fukushima reactors use flammable graphite moderators? 2: Did the reactor core explode (not the building around it, the actual core 3: Was the cooling deliberately shut down? The answers are no, no and no. The steam explosion inside the actual core, and the graphite moderators being set on fire were the main culprits for the radioactive material being spread as far as it did. Fukushima has neither; it's cracked and some material leaked inside the building. The vast majority of the radiation released from Fukushima comes from the steam being released from the reactor, and radioactive coolant water being dumped into the ocean.[/QUOTE] And before you go cry about them having dumped the radioactive "waste" in the sea, there's a shit ton of different levels of radioactive waste, the stuff that got dumped are so far down on that list that I could probably go swim in that part of the sea. [QUOTE=Strongbad;29153141]Can you keep your stupid environmental politics debates out of this? This is a fucking tragedy and a crisis. Can you stop playing environ-political happyslaps long enough to realize that? Also, I wouldn't want to live in Cali right now.[/QUOTE] Don't believe everything you see on the internet kiddo, that image where it showed the radiation cloud from japan to america was fake, fyi we haven't used rads in like decades. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignyte;29166720]Ahhk, If Tritium is rare, come come it's sold?[/QUOTE] Diamonds are rare, how come they're sold? Your argument is invalid, next. Or if you want to know more, it's extremely rare in nature, but it can be made artificially, just like diamonds can, except diamonds don't decay rapidly. And before you ask, currently you only use tritium in nuclear weapons, though there's been experiments with nuclear fusion with it, in a single plant.
this is just like akira
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29166720]Ahhk, If Tritium is rare, come come it's sold?[/QUOTE]Rare in comparison to e.g. radon, not non-existent.
[QUOTE=Crimor;29167777] Diamonds are rare, how come they're sold? Your argument is invalid, next. Or if you want to know more, it's extremely rare in nature, but it can be made artificially, just like diamonds can, except diamonds don't decay rapidly. And before you ask, [b]currently you only use tritium in nuclear weapons[/b], though there's been experiments with nuclear fusion with it, in a single plant.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, no need to be a prick about it. oh and Tritium is sold commercially too.
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29168758]Fair enough, no need to be a prick about it. oh and Tritium is sold commercially too.[/QUOTE] Yes, but the uses are so freaking limited, and so is how much tritium they're allowed to have at once.
[QUOTE=Crimor;29169097]Yes, but the uses are so freaking limited, and so is how much tritium they're allowed to have at once.[/QUOTE] So your confirming what I'm saying, Tritium is not [b]only[/b] used in nuclear weapons and such, Regular people like you and me can obtain it too.
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29177468]So your confirming what I'm saying, Tritium is not [b]only[/b] used in nuclear weapons and such, Regular people like you and me can obtain it too.[/QUOTE] Only at a prohibitive cost, and the likely wind up on every watch list known to man. [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29167132]it's predicted that the chernobyl npp will be safe by 2065[/QUOTE] The grounds maybe, the core is what will be dangerous for millenia, and it's sarcog is failing, thankfully they seem to be planning a good replacement, and hopefully by time it comes necessary we've developed new tech to either protect humans or utilize robotics in heavily irradiated areas.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29156215]fine the ones with the shortest half lives take a few days the ones with the longest half lives take decades[/QUOTE] Are you, like, retarded or something? Uranium 235 has a half-life of over 700 MILLION YEARS. Radium 226 has a half-life of over 1600 YEARS. Shut your stupid face. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] Fuck, even Cobalt-60 has a half-life of over 5 years, and a HALF-life means that HALF of it will be gone by then. The other half is still just as deadly.
Why does Japan have a habbit of getting fucked in the ass by disasters?
[QUOTE=User;29179680]Why does humanity have a habbit of getting fucked in the ass by disasters?[/QUOTE] Fix'd
[QUOTE=ewitwins;29180355]Fix'd[/QUOTE] Much better.
Poor japan. [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/reaction145.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=archangel125;29121546]:smith: This should never have happened. What will the long-term effects be for japan? It's a tiny goddamn island.[/QUOTE] If it does get as bad as Chernobyl, I think they may have to evacuate japan.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;29178313] Fuck, even Cobalt-60 has a half-life of over 5 years, and a HALF-life means that HALF of it will be gone by then. The other half is still just as deadly.[/QUOTE]In fact, half life is just halfing what severts it is now in a number of years.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;29178313]Are you, like, retarded or something? Uranium 235 has a half-life of over 700 MILLION YEARS. Radium 226 has a half-life of over 1600 YEARS. Shut your stupid face. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] Fuck, even Cobalt-60 has a half-life of over 5 years, and a HALF-life means that HALF of it will be gone by then. The other half is still just as deadly.[/QUOTE] Some forms of barium have a halflife of a couple seconds.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;29178313]Are you, like, retarded or something? Uranium 235 has a half-life of over 700 MILLION YEARS. Radium 226 has a half-life of over 1600 YEARS. Shut your stupid face. [editline]14th April 2011[/editline] Fuck, even Cobalt-60 has a half-life of over 5 years, and a HALF-life means that HALF of it will be gone by then. The other half is still just as deadly.[/QUOTE]While very true, it's worth noting that most of the radioactive material released in Chernobyl has half-lives of 30 years or less. (e.g. caesium-137, strontium-90) While some of the uranium-235 found it's way into the surrounding areas, most of it takes the form of corium in the underbelly of the destroyed reactor now.
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