President Obama invokes executive privilege to block release of Fast and Furious documents - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36436988]But they would have got those guns anyway, just from different people.[/QUOTE] But what matters is that they got them from the US government.

[QUOTE=rilez;36430749]Maybe they're investigating the operation, and a public release of their information would make it impossible to track the men who killed this guy? No, he must be using executive privilege to cover up the millions that came out of his own pocket to fund this op. That would make a great television show.[/QUOTE] They caught the guy who murdered the border patrol agent. And then they let him go, so they could follow him back to his handlers. But, in a stunning repeat of what we've already heard, they forgot to track him and he disappeared. [editline]21st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zakedodead;36433069]Better than romney.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't know. Obama has broken the law and is aiding in the coverup of murder. Romney has said some stupid ass shit, but he hasn't broken any federal laws.

Releasing these documents would jeopardize national security, and this didn't happen under Obama's watch. But that doesn't matter, now average people are going to see Obama as someone with dirty secrets no matter what they hear. Democrats, get out and fucking vote your damn fingers off this year. Yes, we should know if our government is doing fucked up shit, but some details could be threatening. I think he really had no choice in the matter.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36433817]Learn how to read, Schmendrick. "The government" is not some tower with Obama in a throne on top telling each and every dude beneath him how to behave. He is not Doctor goddamn Doom, which you imbeciles want to assume so you can get your hate boners on. I'm sorry the sane folk are mad at [I]an agency[/I] and not [I]everybody who ever spoke to anyone within it.[/I] I like how you use conspiracy logic, which is why I mentioned it in the first place. Consider what you just said, as examined logically: It could be [extremely common occurrence in investigations] but it's equally possible it could be [yet to be seen corruption]. I suppose it could be reptile men too, but there's a reason nobody is taking that hypothesis seriously.[/QUOTE] Obama was aware of the operation. He knew, at a minimum, the basic logistics. He would have been thoroughly briefed on such an operation. When you assume a position such as President, you naturally assume responsibility for the success and failures of your administration. There is nothing wrong with pinning the failure and cover up of the operation on the Obama administration, just as we pin the successful assassination of Bin Laden on the Obama administration. [editline]21st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36437697]Releasing these documents would jeopardize national security, and this didn't happen under Obama's watch. But that doesn't matter, now average people are going to see Obama as someone with dirty secrets no matter what they hear. Democrats, get out and fucking vote your damn fingers off this year.[/QUOTE] Of course. It is always a threat to national security. :rolleyes: Obama just wants to avoid a scandal before re-election, as any president would. Too bad he is just going back on another promise.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;36437727]Obama was aware of the operation. He knew, at a minimum, the basic logistics. He would have been thoroughly briefed on such an operation. When you assume a position such as President, you naturally assume responsibility for the success and failures of your administration. There is nothing wrong with pinning the failure and cover up of the operation on the Obama administration, just as we pin the successful assassination of Bin Laden on the Obama administration. [editline]21st June 2012[/editline] Of course. It is always a threat to national security. :rolleyes: Obama just wants to avoid a scandal before re-election, as any president would. Too bad he is just going back on another promise.[/QUOTE] Tactical information and fucked up things that we should know about are different things. I think the bodies of the troops in the Afghan and Iraqi conflicts should have been shown, but I don't think our strategies should be released.

[QUOTE=Remscar;36420850]On one side i am disappointed in how untransparent the obama administration has been. On the other hand, somebody made a mistake and the president is going to be blamed for it, even though it was not directly his fault. It's not something that needs to be over-publicized and pinned solely on the president.[/QUOTE] the buck stops here bro, taking the blame is one of the responsibilities of our president. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36424325]Fast and Furious was a complete failure. Covering it up only makes things worse.[/QUOTE] idk man it did pretty good in the box office and the sequels didn't do so bad either

[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36437921]Tactical information and fucked up things that we should know about are different things. I think the bodies of the troops in the Afghan and Iraqi conflicts should have been shown, but I don't think our strategies should be released.[/QUOTE] Strategies? You mean lack thereof right? This is the Fast and the Furious we are talking about. It was a fucking disaster and the administration and anyone on the project should have been able to tell from the start. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] Just as an added example. Tons of CIA documents were recently declassified through the Freedom of Information Act that exposes the fact that the CIA gave 7 different warnings to the Bush administration that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were planning an imminent attack and the Bush administration, just largely ignored it. This was pre 9/11. Obama will not restrict documents that embarrass another administration, but if those documents embarrass him, "national security!" Transparency is only important when it doesn't involve himself. As a progressive, I am honestly disgusted with Obama. That being said, I'll still be picking him over Romney.

[QUOTE=Ridge;36437259] I honestly don't know. Obama has broken the law and is aiding in the coverup of murder.[/QUOTE] Aiding in the coverup of murder? Do you fucking listen to yourself?

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36420721]Republican or Democrat, they're just different shades of shit.[/QUOTE] it's like dysentry or cholera, sure they're different beasts but they both make you shit buckets.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;36432990]I'm really starting to see Obama as the lesser of two evils in the upcoming election. I just hope he'll fulfill his promises if he gets reelected.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what I'm going to do, considering I hate both Obama and Romney. The fill-in seems like the only valid choice at this moment.

[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;36440914]Aiding in the coverup of murder? Do you fucking listen to yourself?[/QUOTE] Except he is Because he's preventing information sensitive to the murder from being released Erego he is aiding in the coverup Explained in Retard-O-Vision, just for you.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;36436939]If he was clued in so late, why did he claim credit for it?[/QUOTE] Okay, so you've got no idea what politicians are or how they operate. I think the smartest thing you can say from here on out is nothing. [QUOTE=Funcoot;36437727]Obama was aware of the operation. He knew, at a minimum, the basic logistics. He would have been thoroughly briefed on such an operation. When you assume a position such as President, you naturally assume responsibility for the success and failures of your administration. There is nothing wrong with pinning the failure and cover up of the operation on the Obama administration, just as we pin the successful assassination of Bin Laden on the Obama administration.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure only idiots attribute Bin Laden to Obama. I say again, the President is not Doctor Doom, government employees are not robots, he does not know everything that everyone is doing and the capacity to run shit under the radar exists. [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36434912]Perhaps you should articulate your point better instead of insulting anyone who disagrees with you, because I don't get what you're trying to argue.[/QUOTE] Oh for fuck's sake, you have the attention span of a gnat. You've been implying these documents have to do with shit [I]before[/I] the actual events of Fast and Furious occurred. You know, that stupid "if the guy who gave him the car listened to the driver talk openly about how he might drive on sidewalks" comment. and mentioning the guy who was killed. Except this documents have [I]nothing to do with that[/I]: [QUOTE]White House officials insist there’s nothing in the records that would do any real damage, beyond perhaps revealing some emails with intemperate language about Issa’s investigation. Officials said the Justice Department’s inspector general has had access to all of the material for months and is free to disclose anything that might suggest wrongdoing. They note that [URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77722_Page3.html"][B]the disputed records don’t pertain directly to Fast and Furious but to how the administration responded to congressional and media queries about the botched operation.[/B][/URL][/QUOTE] This is not [I]about[/I] Fast and Furious. It's political nitpicking about how the [I]reaction to[/I] Fast and Furious.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36443278]Okay, so you've got no idea what politicians are or how they operate. I think the smartest thing you can say from here on out is nothing. I'm pretty sure only idiots attribute Bin Laden to Obama. I say again, the President is not Doctor Doom, government employees are not robots, he does not know everything that everyone is doing and the capacity to run shit under the radar exists. Oh for fuck's sake, you have the attention span of a gnat. You've been implying these documents have to do with shit [I]before[/I] the actual events of Fast and Furious occurred. You know, that stupid "if the guy who gave him the car listened to the driver talk openly about how he might drive on sidewalks" comment. and mentioning the guy who was killed. Except this documents have [I]nothing to do with that[/I]: This is not [I]about[/I] Fast and Furious. It's political nitpicking about how the [I]reaction to[/I] Fast and Furious.[/QUOTE] I don't understand how you're trying to justify the restriction of the documents. The failure happened under Obama's administration, and he is trying to restrict it because elections are coming up. "I say again, the President is not Doctor Doom, government employees are not robots, he does not know everything that everyone is doing and the capacity to run shit under the radar exists." Sorry, but that isn't an excuse. It never was and it never has been. What was going on under the radar in this situation? Obama is just going back on another promise.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36443278]Okay, so you've got no idea what politicians are or how they operate. I think the smartest thing you can say from here on out is nothing. I'm pretty sure only idiots attribute Bin Laden to Obama. I say again, the President is not Doctor Doom, government employees are not robots, he does not know everything that everyone is doing and the capacity to run shit under the radar exists. Oh for fuck's sake, you have the attention span of a gnat. You've been implying these documents have to do with shit [I]before[/I] the actual events of Fast and Furious occurred. You know, that stupid "if the guy who gave him the car listened to the driver talk openly about how he might drive on sidewalks" comment. and mentioning the guy who was killed. Except this documents have [I]nothing to do with that[/I]: This is not [I]about[/I] Fast and Furious. It's political nitpicking about how the [I]reaction to[/I] Fast and Furious.[/QUOTE] I'm impressed. Is this seriously how you run all your arguments? Open with an insult towards the opposition? This seems to be your thing.

I'm not a Republican sympathizer, but if Bush were in this situation and he restricted the Fast and the Furious documents, most democrats would be crying foul. However, if it is Obama, it's one excuse after another as to why he shouldn't accept any of the blame.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36443278]Okay, so you've got no idea what politicians are or how they operate. I think the smartest thing you can say from here on out is nothing. I'm pretty sure only idiots attribute Bin Laden to Obama. I say again, the President is not Doctor Doom, government employees are not robots, he does not know everything that everyone is doing and the capacity to run shit under the radar exists. Oh for fuck's sake, you have the attention span of a gnat. You've been implying these documents have to do with shit [I]before[/I] the actual events of Fast and Furious occurred. You know, that stupid "if the guy who gave him the car listened to the driver talk openly about how he might drive on sidewalks" comment. and mentioning the guy who was killed. Except this documents have [I]nothing to do with that[/I]: This is not [I]about[/I] Fast and Furious. It's political nitpicking about how the [I]reaction to[/I] Fast and Furious.[/QUOTE] "I can't defeat you, so shut up." Seriously, you're pathetic. Is this your best try at debating, or are you trolling? I hope the latter, because if the former, you're a grade A dumb shit who blindly gibbers about how whatever political personality Progressive Talk or the media tells you to support is teh c00lest and innocent and a total angel.

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[QUOTE=Strongbad;36444536]"I can't defeat you, so shut up." Seriously, you're pathetic. Is this your best try at debating, or are you trolling? I hope the latter, because if the former, you're a grade A dumb shit who blindly gibbers about how whatever political personality Progressive Talk or the media tells you to support is teh c00lest and innocent and a total angel.[/QUOTE] Hey, he at least included an argument with his insults. Did you? [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36443540]I'm impressed. Is this seriously how you run all your arguments? Open with an insult towards the opposition? This seems to be your thing.[/QUOTE] Once again, he's providing actual arguments. Pointing out that he's insulting people and adding nothing else is worse than what he's doing. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] [quote]White House officials insist there’s nothing in the records that would do any real damage, beyond perhaps revealing some emails with intemperate language about Issa’s investigation. Officials said the Justice Department’s inspector general has had access to all of the material for months and is free to disclose anything that might suggest wrongdoing. They note that the disputed records don’t pertain directly to Fast and Furious but to how the administration responded to congressional and media queries about the botched operation.[/quote] This is the most important thing that has been posted in this topic.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36444617]Do you believe the holocaust was fake too[/QUOTE] What the shit are you talking about [quote]Hey, he at least included an argument with his insults. Did you?[/quote] Er actually, he didn't include an argument as to why I should just say nothing, because he hasn't got one. He isn't smart enough/working from a solid enough foundation to refute me. I wasn't responding to the rest of his post, just that part specifically.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;36443545]I'm not a Republican sympathizer, but if Bush were in this situation and he restricted the Fast and the Furious documents, most democrats would be crying foul. However, if it is Obama, it's one excuse after another as to why he shouldn't accept any of the blame.[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure about that. Some of Obama's most vocal critics are democrats.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;36447683]What the shit are you talking about[/QUOTE] Nevermind, I just read your post. My post doesn't apply. You're still dumb though

[QUOTE=Strongbad;36444536]"I can't defeat you, so shut up." Seriously, you're pathetic. Is this your best try at debating, or are you trolling? I hope the latter, because if the former, you're a grade A dumb shit who blindly gibbers about how whatever political personality Progressive Talk or the media tells you to support is teh c00lest and innocent and a total angel.[/QUOTE] holy shit I have seen most of your posts in SH and all of them are absolute shit at debating. You debate like a 5 year old.

Jon Stewart did a pretty informative and funny bit on this whole mess, check it out on Hulu or something. It was his Thursday one, I think.

Soon some of the more expertly trained Hackers in the Anonymous group and Wikileaks are going to uncover these documents. And seriously, Who the hell in the FBI would allow DRUG SMUGGLERS about a thousand NATO-Class weaponry including M16s and crap? Im betting he will get fired once hes found out.

war on drugs, democracy, freedom etc american politics are so dull, when you guys get someone that makes real intelligent changes to society

[QUOTE=codemaster85;36448175]holy shit I have seen most of your posts in SH and all of them are absolute shit at debating. You debate like a 5 year old.[/QUOTE] you are a pro at debating you read a book

[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;36440914]Aiding in the coverup of murder? Do you fucking listen to yourself?[/QUOTE] He blocked the documents that Congress requested in their investigation about an undercover illegal operation that was brought to their attention after a US federal official was killed by a weapon provided to the cartels by the ATF.

[QUOTE=Ridge;36450821]He blocked the documents that Congress requested in their investigation about an undercover illegal operation that was brought to their attention after a US federal official was killed by a weapon provided to the cartels by the ATF.[/QUOTE] 1. He blocked documents related to the REACTION to the operation, and 2. Even if he had blocked documents related to the actual operation, it's not covering up murder when we know it happened and we know who did it. You're just being ridiculously sensationalist and reactionary.