Trump attempts to gain the Hispanic vote by photographing himself with a taco - Polidicks

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271276]If they are insulted about it they aren't very smart are they? I don't think those people would vote for Trump to begin with. It makes sense to assume that people in the country illegally are more likely to commit crimes, since they are already guilty of one, doesn't matter how insulting it is.[/QUOTE] Being guilty of jumping a border doesn't suddenly insert your dick into unwilling women. Trump's comment was retarded and insulting, there's really nothing more to it. He could've phrased his point in many ways (and until "they're rapists" it went okay) that wouldn't be insulting to a large group of people.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50271313]What the fuck is this logic? If I smoke weed, am I more likely to commit more crimes? I mean, I'm breaking the law, I might as well try to get away with even MORE shit, is that how you imagine people think? Doesn't it make more sense for them to lay low and try not to get caught? Isn't it a lot more logical that illegal immigrants are [I]less[/I] likely to commit crimes?[/QUOTE] Big difference between smoking a drug that basically only affects you and going into a country you aren't legally supposed to be in and living there, which affects everyone. Just in order to support themselves in this country which they are illegally in they have to commit crimes, how are they going to get the money to have a place to live? It doesn't come from nowhere.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271384]Just in order to support themselves in this country which they are illegally in they have to commit crimes, how are they going to get the money to have a place to live? It doesn't come from nowhere.[/QUOTE] Do you legitimately think illegals just, never get jobs? Am I misreading this?

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271384]Big difference between smoking a drug that basically only affects you and going into a country you aren't legally supposed to be in and living there, which affects everyone. Just in order to support themselves in this country which they are illegally in they have to commit crimes, how are they going to get the money to have a place to live? It doesn't come from nowhere.[/QUOTE] Uhm, how does a Mexican moving to the US "affect everyone"? Smoking pot (and buying other illicit drugs) enables criminal organizations in the US and other countries, I'd say you're affecting "everyone" there as well. Do you seriously believe that most Mexicans immigrants sustain themselves mainly through crime and not, say, low paying jobs? 70-80% of illegal immigrants pay taxes in the US: [QUOTE=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Illegal_immigrant_income_distribution]Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that the illegal don't pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[20] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 70 percent and 80 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[20] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[28] In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.[29] (Citation Broken) The Social Security and Medicare contributions of illegal immigrants directly support older Americans, as illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive these services.[30] The Internal Revenue Service issues an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have Federal tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code. Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the INS. In 2006 1.4 million people used ITIN when filing taxes, of which more than half were illegal immigrants.[31[/QUOTE]

It's really something watching Trump supporters bend over backwards to legitimize this statement [QUOTE]They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”[/QUOTE] [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271384]Big difference between smoking a drug that basically only affects you and going into a country you aren't legally supposed to be in and living there, which affects everyone. Just in order to support themselves in this country which they are illegally in they have to commit crimes, how are they going to get the money to have a place to live? It doesn't come from nowhere.[/QUOTE] Yeah it comes from working jobs. Not crime. You're literally assuming any and all illegal immigrants are criminals by virtue of their actions beyond being in the country. Do you know how stupid a generalization that is?

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50269977]This isn't anywhere close to that and you know it.[/QUOTE] Explain.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50271494]It's really something watching Trump supporters bend over backwards to legitimize this statement [/QUOTE] It is similar to everyone against Trump making that statement more extreme than it actually is. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50271494] Yeah it comes from working jobs. Not crime. You're literally assuming any and all illegal immigrants are criminals by virtue of their actions beyond being in the country. Do you know how stupid a generalization that is?[/QUOTE] I assume that many of them are not working legally and are being exploited by their employers for low pay, doesn't seem like a generalization. Whether you like it or not it is a crime to live somewhere you aren't supposed to live, not all of them commit crimes past that point but it can be assumed that a higher percentage will commit crimes in order to stay alive if they have to.

Continue pulling bullshit out of your ass. [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798[/url] Why would people, who are trying to stay hidden, commit more crimes? Perhaps there would be less illegal immigrants if it wasn't so hard to properly, you know, immigrate?

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50271506]Explain.[/QUOTE] Talking about a taco being offensive is a waste of time, and comparing that to a more extreme example is a bigger waste of time. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;50271587]Continue pulling bullshit out of your ass. [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798[/url] Why would people, who are trying to stay hidden, commit more crimes? Perhaps there would be less illegal immigrants if it wasn't so hard to properly, you know, immigrate?[/QUOTE] People don't have a right to be anywhere they want to be, immigration being hard is not an excuse to go and live somewhere illegally.

So when you're unable to claim amnesty and your country is being destroyed by corruption and drug trade, you should be forced to stay there and become a casualty. I agree, good point! There should never be exceptions to anything! Not even when these people are doing jobs that I guarantee you wouldn't do, thusly growing the economy quite significantly! No sir!

[media]https://twitter.com/ElPolloLoco/status/728373521810759680[/media] i know im falling for the whole point of this tweet but holy shit it looks really unappetizing

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271589]Talking about a taco being offensive is a waste of time, and comparing that to a more extreme example is a bigger waste of time.[/QUOTE] How else is a statement as shallow as "I love Hispanics," especially in the context of Trump famously not having the best record for Hispanic approval for obvious reasons, meant to be construed? [editline].[/editline] Let's take the fried chicken bit out of the black people analogy for a second. If David Duke said "I love black people" what would you think? Why doesn't the same logic apply to Hispanics as it does to blacks?

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271568]It is similar to everyone against Trump making that statement more extreme than it actually is. I assume that many of them are not working legally and are being exploited by their employers for low pay, doesn't seem like a generalization. Whether you like it or not it is a crime to live somewhere you aren't supposed to live, not all of them commit crimes past that point but it can be assumed that a higher percentage will commit crimes in order to stay alive if they have to.[/QUOTE] No. Just no. That statement is false. Flat out. It's false. Stop defending it, it looks childish and seems racist because, guess what, that statement was racist. Or do you just think generalizing and stereotyping entire countries of people ISN'T racist? The crime rates for illegal immigrants are well below that of american citizens. If you are an american citizen, you're considerably more likely to commit a crime than a illegal immigrant.

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[QUOTE=Novangel;50268517][img]http://i.imgur.com/tq1Alfq.png[/img] ouch [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] How do you even fuck up that badly[/QUOTE] Even when he's "trying" to "gain the Hispanic vote," he still sports a shit-eating grin to rival The Grinch!

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50270001]At least Obama agrees to not put ketchup on a hot dog so he's alright in my book.[/QUOTE] Do you eat it dry or something?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50271702] The crime rates for illegal immigrants are well below that of american citizens. [/QUOTE] Saying that is the one of the most naive stupid things that I have heard. Not every illegal immigrant is a saint, you are just taking the complete opposite view rather than trying to find one that actually makes sense.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271859]Saying that is the one of the most naive stupid things that I have heard. Not every illegal immigrant is a saint, you are just taking the complete opposite view rather than trying to find one that actually makes sense.[/QUOTE] Well sorry if you find that to be idealistic or naive, but statistics show you're the one who's wrong. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798[/url] [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] Don't accuse someone of being naive because your preconceptions of the world are fucking wrong.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271859]Saying that is the one of the most naive stupid things that I have heard. Not every illegal immigrant is a saint, you are just taking the complete opposite view rather than trying to find one that actually makes sense.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798]The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime: Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.[/url] [quote]A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,” according to the report. “This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”[/quote] [url=http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states]The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States[/url] [quote]Unfortunately, immigration policy is frequently shaped more by fear and stereotype than by empirical evidence. As a result, immigrants have the stigma of “criminality” ascribed to them by an ever-evolving assortment of laws and immigration-enforcement mechanisms.[/quote] [url=https://psmag.com/illegal-immigration-might-actually-reduce-crime-rates-fd0a6ad0fd69#.x83hffi49]Illegal Immigration Might Actually Reduce Crime Rates[/url] [quote]The research I reviewed — several recent articles (see bibliography [URL="https://madeinamericathebook.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-immigrant-crime-connection/"]here[/URL]) — is pretty consistent: Immigrants and concentrations of immigrants are associated with lower rates of crime and homicide. To be more cautious: at minimum, there is no connection between immigration and higher rates of crime.[/quote] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime]Immigration and Crime (Wikipedia)[/url] [quote]A majority of studies in the US have found lower crime rates among immigrants than among non-immigrants. Some research even suggests that increases in immigration between 1990 and 2000 may partly explain the reduction in the US crime rate. A 2005 study showed that immigration to large U.S. metropolitan areas does not increase, and in some cases decreases, crime rates there. The low crime rates of immigrants to the United States despite having lower levels of education, lower levels of income and residing in urban areas (factors that should lead to higher crime rates) may be due to lower rates of antisocial behavior among immigrants. Research finds that Secure Communities, an immigration enforcement program which led to a quarter of a million of detentions (when the study was published; November 2014), had no observable impact on the crime rate. A 2015 study found that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized almost 3 million immigrants, led to "decreases in crime of 3-5 percent, primarily due to decline in property crimes, equivalent to 120,000-180,000 fewer violent and property crimes committed each year due to legalization"[/quote]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50271702] The crime rates for illegal immigrants are well below that of american citizens. If you are an american citizen, you're considerably more likely to commit a crime than a illegal immigrant.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you come to this conclusion or even calculate this Their mere PRESENCE is a crime. They literally committed a crime entering the country. They probably committed more with HOW they got in. Just, where did you come up with this? It's called *illegal* immigrants for a reason. Edit: Like shit, everyone's asking me for socssecurity and ID for every task, I would have to break some serious laws to get anywhere, or take advantage of law breaking employers

God that taco bowl looks fucking tasty. I'm fucking going have to get tacos tonight.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50271919][url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798]The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime: Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.[/url] [url=http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states]The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States[/url] [url=https://psmag.com/illegal-immigration-might-actually-reduce-crime-rates-fd0a6ad0fd69#.x83hffi49]Illegal Immigration Might Actually Reduce Crime Rates[/url] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime]Immigration and Crime (Wikipedia)[/url][/QUOTE] Noticing that majority of these studies just say immigrants, when the person specified illegals.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50271865]Well sorry if you find that to be idealistic or naive, but statistics show you're the one who's wrong. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798[/url] [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] Don't accuse someone of being naive because your preconceptions of the world are fucking wrong.[/QUOTE] Sorry, saying that unchecked illegal immigration is a good thing that causes no problems and that all people that come into a country that way only have the best of intentions is the definition of being idealistic and naive. And yes I agree that people who have gone through the trouble of immigrating and integrating into a country legally are far less likely to commit crimes than people who were just born in that country, because they have worked hard for it, and are less likely to throw it away to do some petty crime.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271859]Saying that is the one of the most naive stupid things that I have heard. Not every illegal immigrant is a saint, you are just taking the complete opposite view rather than trying to find one that actually makes sense.[/QUOTE] How the fuck does stating that the crime rates for illegal immigrants are lower than citizens constitute saying that every illegal is a saint? Do you seriously think it's intellectually honest in any way to outright put words in somebody's mouth like that in order to fit your narrative? Here are some statistics for you. [URL]https://www.chicagofed.org/digital_assets/publications/working_papers/2005/wp2005_19.pdf[/URL] The preface alone says: [QUOTE] Much of the concern about immigration adversely affecting crime derives from the fact that immigrants tend to have characteristics in common with native born populations that are disproportionately incarcerated. This perception of a link between immigration and crime led to legislation in the 1990s increasing punishments toward criminal aliens. Despite the widespread perception of a link between immigration and crime, immigrants have much lower institutionalization (incarceration) rates than the native born. More recently arrived immigrants have the lowest comparative incarceration rates, and this difference increased from 1980 to 2000.[/QUOTE] [editline].[/editline] [QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271944]Sorry, saying that unchecked illegal immigration is a good thing that causes no problems and that all people that come into a country that way only have the best of intentions is the definition of being idealistic and naive.[/QUOTE] [B]Can you please either stop putting words in others' mouths or remove yourself from this discussion [/B] [editline].[/editline] [QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271944]And yes I agree that people who have gone through the trouble of immigrating and integrating into a country legally are far less likely to commit crimes than people who were just born in that country, because they have worked hard for it, and are less likely to throw it away to do some petty crime.[/QUOTE] Don't think about trying to backpedal or that I didn't see that sneaky post edit.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271944]Sorry, saying that unchecked illegal immigration[B] is a good thing that causes no problems and that all people that come into a country that way only have the best of intentions[/B] is the definition of being idealistic and naive.[/QUOTE] When the fuck did he say that dude, are you for real

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271944]Sorry, saying that unchecked illegal immigration is a good thing that causes no problems and that all people that come into a country that way only have the best of intentions is the definition of being idealistic and naive. And yes I agree that people who have gone through the trouble of immigrating and integrating into a country legally are far less likely to commit crimes than people who were just born in that country, because they have worked hard for it, and are less likely to throw it away to do some petty crime.[/QUOTE] So you're just ignoring all the proof in front of you demonstrating how wrong you are claiming that [b]-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS-[/b] cause more crime? And how they pay more taxes than most citizens? Or how they benefit the economy than most citizens? But no, its easier to fabricate things you don't want to believe. Ridiculously petty. You are ridiculously petty.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50271969]When the fuck did I say that dude, are you for real[/QUOTE] He's not replying to you

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50271926]How the fuck do you come to this conclusion or even calculate this Their mere PRESENCE is a crime. They literally committed a crime entering the country. They probably committed more with HOW they got in. Just, where did you come up with this? It's called *illegal* immigrants for a reason.[/QUOTE] Probably by assuming that the conversation is about crimes aside from the illegal immigration, because saying "100% of people who committed a crime have committed a crime" is fucking inane.

Note that noone here is saying that illegal immigrants are a good thing to a country. Just the ones that are here do significantly more to the US than you do. The US doesn't have an illegal immigrant problem, it has a naturalization problem. The number of illegal immigrants coming into the Us is next to nil. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50271983]He's not replying to you[/QUOTE] He's ignoring all the evidence given to him.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50271926]How the fuck do you come to this conclusion or even calculate this Their mere PRESENCE is a crime. They literally committed a crime entering the country. They probably committed more with HOW they got in. Just, where did you come up with this? It's called *illegal* immigrants for a reason. Edit: Like shit, everyone's asking me for socssecurity and ID for every task, I would have to break some serious laws to get anywhere, or take advantage of law breaking employers[/QUOTE] Yes so they clearly are rapists and drug dealers right? Because a "Crime" is equal to "ANY CRIME", right? You know where people get these conclusions? From research. But, you and everyone like you would throw research away to trust your guts because you're so much smarter than research. Please don't do that. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=igamiwarr;50271944]Sorry, saying that unchecked illegal immigration is a good thing that causes no problems and that all people that come into a country that way only have the best of intentions is the definition of being idealistic and naive. [/QUOTE] Who the fuck said that though? [B]literally no one[/B] are you literally only capable of arguing with strawmen you create?