Trump attempts to gain the Hispanic vote by photographing himself with a taco - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Map in a box;50271611]So when you're unable to claim amnesty and your country is being destroyed by corruption and drug trade, you should be forced to stay there and become a casualty. I agree, good point! There should never be exceptions to anything! Not even when these people are doing jobs that I guarantee you wouldn't do, thusly growing the economy quite significantly! No sir![/QUOTE] Americans don't want the jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing because the illegal immigrants are being exploited by employers because they can't go report the violations of laws because they are in the country illegally; it's effectively a form of shipping jobs overseas to exploit cheap and desperate labor, except within the US. You argument is rather similar to saying "well you wouldn't go work in a sweatshop in China for a penny an hour". No shit. If US companies had to abide by laws to pay employees fairly and provide acceptable working conditions, maybe more American would be willing to do them. As a result, illegal immigrants contribute to a race to the bottom in terms of working conditions and wages.

[QUOTE=catbarf;50272829]Why are you guys posting articles about legal immigrants to dispute the claim that illegal immigrants contribute to crime? I don't have a horse in this race but it strikes me as dishonest to pull that kind of bait-and-switch. With the US's immigration policies being what they are it wouldn't surprise me that most legal immigrants who come through the system are upstanding people with practicable skills. But that doesn't say anything one way or another about the people that hop a fence, and articles that address immigrant communities as a whole don't do that. According to [URL="http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf"]a GAO report[/URL], about 1 in 30 illegal immigrants was currently incarcerated as of 2010, a rate over four times higher than the general population (1 in 126 as of 2008), and mostly for crimes unrelated to immigration. If you have research indicating otherwise then I'd genuinely like to see it- there's a pretty big difference between 'immigrants bring crime' (which is pure xenophobia that you guys have properly debunked) versus '[I]illegal[/I] immigrants bring crime'.[/QUOTE] My bad, I rushed through and legitimately thought most of those sources were about illegals [QUOTE=Broseph_;50272967]But Mexico lost the war and was occupied by France after the Battle of Pueblo so it has nothing to do with Independence; It's not recognized by the Government of Mexico as an holiday; It's only celebrated in the State of Veracruz and State of Puebla which represents a very small part of Mexico. Actual Mexicans don't give a fuck about it. Beyond that it only became this widely celebrated thing due to the Chicano movement in California.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying people actually celebrate it in Mexico but the whole thing has Mexican roots. It was started by Mexicans in the US, it has ties with Mexican culture more than it does with hispanic culture in general, even if it's not a real holiday in the country. But like I said, her wording could mean either. It's like NY's Brazilian Day, yes it's held close to our Independence Day but it's 100% unique to Brazilians living abroad and nothing too similar is done here, but I still wouldn't fault someone for calling it a Brazilian holiday because that's exactly what it is

[QUOTE=DaMastez;50273187]Americans don't want the jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing because the illegal immigrants are being exploited by employers because they can't go report the violations of laws because they are in the country illegally; it's effectively a form of shipping jobs overseas to exploit cheap and desperate labor, except within the US. You argument is rather similar to saying "well you wouldn't go work in a sweatshop in China for a penny an hour". No shit. If US companies had to abide by laws to pay employees fairly and provide acceptable working conditions, maybe more American would be willing to do them.[/QUOTE] and if they had to do that the price of basically anything relating to agriculture skyrockets to a prohibitive point. It's a really sad thing to say but the US literally relies on cheap foreign labour to make things affordable for the average american all the while there's trillions of dollars focused in just a few peoples hands.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;50273187]Americans don't want the jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing because the illegal immigrants are being exploited by employers because they can't go report the violations of laws because they are in the country illegally; it's effectively a form of shipping jobs overseas to exploit cheap and desperate labor, except within the US. You argument is rather similar to saying "well you wouldn't go work in a sweatshop in China for a penny an hour". No shit. If US companies had to abide by laws to pay employees fairly and provide acceptable working conditions, maybe more American would be willing to do them. As a result, illegal immigrants contribute to a race to the bottom in terms of working conditions and wages.[/QUOTE] That [b]IS[/b] my point. They're not taking jobs away from americans, they're doing the jobs noone wants. Thanks for proving my point. Those jobs require immense amounts of work and while its unfortunate that htey're being paid so low, the illegal immigrants accept the pay for the chance to live in the US. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] If they were paid right, it'd be around $20/hr I predict before anyone would actively do the labor that the immigrants are doing.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;50273236]That [B]IS[/B] my point. They're not taking jobs away from americans, they're doing the jobs noone wants. Thanks for proving my point. Those jobs require immense amounts of work and while its unfortunate that htey're being paid so low, the illegal immigrants accept the pay for the chance to live in the US. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] If they were paid right, it'd be around $20/hr I predict before anyone would actively do the labor that the immigrants are doing.[/QUOTE] I mean, if no one was willing to do those jobs, then the market would force wages up until they reach a point where Americans would be willing to do them. So any way you look at it, they are taking away jobs. Whether that's actually bad for the economy is another question.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50273078]Two very small states in Mexico. I've been to Mexico and talked to actual Mexicans, nobody cares about Cinco De Mayo; It's been mostly appropriated by white people like "Mexican" food.[/QUOTE] It's like de la Muerte, just an excuse to get drunk day. also thread relevant: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxoSKuEyun0[/media]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50273134]it seems to largely be considered an american mexican holiday to be enjoyed by american mexicans and latino's in general. but I guess calling someone a dumb bitch for insulting El Trumpo is warranted in your books.[/QUOTE] Hold up, you 'corrected' me saying they celebrate it as part of Grito de Dolores, aka Mexico's Independence Day, eventhough they ignore it since they lost the war and was occupied by France; but now you're saying it's not an Mexican holiday, but an [i]Mexican-American[/i] Holiday; Talk about moving goalposts. That said I'd like to point out you using Faux-Spanish to rebuke an Hispanic is [i]totally not racist at all[/i]. What do you even know about Mexico and Hispanics at all up there in Canada?

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50273450]That said I'd like to point out you using Faux-Spanish to rebuke an Hispanic is [i]totally not racist at all[/i].[/QUOTE] i don't think "el trumpo" is any more "racist" than when people americanize words in spanish for comedic effect

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50273450]Hold up, you 'corrected' me saying they celebrate it as part of Grito de Dolores, aka Mexico's Independence Day, eventhough they ignore it since they lost the war and was occupied by France; but now you're saying it's not an Mexican holiday, but an [i]Mexican-American[/i] Holiday; Talk about moving goalposts. That said I'd like to point out you using Faux-Spanish to rebuke an Hispanic is [i]totally not racist at all[/i]. What do you even know about Mexico and Hispanics at all up there in Canada?[/QUOTE] Actually, maybe you should read the thread harder rather than assume I'm the one who corrected you on that. I didn't, it was another poster. Oh golly gee wizz mister. It's not like I haven't been to mexico 7 times, am friends with numerous mexican immigrants who live up here(yeah, mexicans live in Canada, must blow your mind something fierce). It's not like I, a citizen of a first world nation, don't have access to a high speed internet connection to look things up, or contact my mexican friends to ask them their opinion, no, I certainly don't have that, so you're right, what can I possibly know about mexico? Now, literally any time I see you say anything about Canada, I'll know to disregard you entirely, as you have done here, based on nothing but your own ignorance. And how the fuck is "El Trumpo" a racist phrase for you?

[img]https://i.sli.mg/ysNRip.jpg[/img] Clinton had a mariachi band and retweeted the post in the OP to claim trump contradicted himself because he said to deport all illegals the day before, as if all illegals are Hispanic and all Hispanics are illegals. The post was silly as fuck but I think Hilary's bs is a bit more ridiculous. Suppose people at page 1 were sort of right in predicting it was only a big deal because it's trump and other polis wouldn't be treated similarly

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50273503][img]https://i.sli.mg/ysNRip.jpg[/img] Clinton had a mariachi band and retweeted the post in the OP to claim trump contradicted himself because he said to deport all illegals the day before, as if all illegals are Hispanic and all Hispanics are illegals. The post was silly as fuck but I think Hilary's bs is a bit more ridiculous. Suppose people at page 1 were sort of right in predicting it was only a big deal because it's trump and other polis wouldn't be treated similarly[/QUOTE] Trump's effort was eating a cheap americanized dish while celebrating a cheap americanized holiday in the comfort of his own office, pandering to hispanic culture in a post that sounded more like an advertisement. I'm not gonna pretend Clinton's event wasn't just a tacky political move as well, but come on, she got an actual mariachi band and gave the spotlight to people who actually promote and celebrate their culture. That's miles above eating a taco and calling it a day

Tbh something like this the less effort the better, I'd say a mariachi band is leagues more stereotyping than eating a taco bowl for a Mexican holiday. Her comment on his post didn't help. Also trump has a fair enough reason to pull shit like this. He has a large smear campaign painting him as a racist for his stances on welfare and illegal immigration. Last I checked Hillary was under fire for being a crooked often flip flopping liar, not supposedly hating ethnic minorities. I've seen so many anti trump things that just make this claim that he's racist af and that his support is a hate group and other stupid shit that smells like SJWs. If anyone has a reason to draw attention to them being supportive of cultural diversity it's him. Was this a good and effective way? Not really. But I think the reasoning is more than wanting "the Hispanic vote" and mostly about all those "TRUMP = HITLER??" signs. If most of the points against me in media was a claim that I hated Hispanic people I'd kinda wanna dispel that notion as well. The other day I watched a mob of angry Latinos and Caucasians attack, deface and damage a couples car for being trump supporters, while proudly tossing and waving a Mexico flag. When shit like that happens because people think you hate Hispanics it's not a bad idea to make an effort to get it clear that you don't.

My girlfriend's family, whom are Puerto Rican, are offended because his tweet implies a connection between Cinco de Mayo and all Hispanics :v:

Oh ok, you're also talking about her comment oh geez automerge

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50273485]Actually, maybe you should read the thread harder rather than assume I'm the one who corrected you on that. I didn't, it was another poster. Oh golly gee wizz mister. It's not like I haven't been to mexico 7 times, am friends with numerous mexican immigrants who live up here(yeah, mexicans live in Canada, must blow your mind something fierce). It's not like I, a citizen of a first world nation, don't have access to a high speed internet connection to look things up, or contact my mexican friends to ask them their opinion, no, I certainly don't have that, so you're right, what can I possibly know about mexico? Now, literally any time I see you say anything about Canada, I'll know to disregard you entirely, as you have done here, based on nothing but your own ignorance. And how the fuck is "El Trumpo" a racist phrase for you?[/QUOTE] Because you specifically wrote that after I made it clear I'm hispanic; I have the right to question your knowledge of Mexico especially after you ensured me they celebrate Cinco De Mayo in Mexico in September as part of the Cry of Dolores. Eventhough I live among over 1 million Mexicans in my city alone and speak to them daily and I was born within 250 kilometers of Mexico and I've been visiting it my entire life. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwxEOqEIgAEwExp.jpg[/IMG] I don't know what this has to do with what I know about Canada other than me pointing out the fact you're over 3500 km from Mexico and you're trying to tell a Hispanic who lives with Mexicans about Mexico; not only that but you're trying to get around your racism by using the [I]I know a black guy[/I] card.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50273691]My girlfriend's family, whom are Puerto Rican, are offended because his tweet implies a connection between Cinco de Mayo and all Hispanics :v:[/QUOTE] That's like the worst reason to be offended by his tweet.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50273703]That's like the worst reason to be offended by his tweet.[/QUOTE] I'm Puerto Rican, can confirm [B][I][U]Puerto Rico da best[/U][/I][/B] It's even on our license plates.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50273690]Tbh something like this the less effort the better, I'd say a mariachi band is leagues more stereotyping than eating a taco bowl for a Mexican holiday. Her comment on his post didn't help. Also trump has a fair enough reason to pull shit like this. He has a large smear campaign painting him as a racist for his stances on welfare and illegal immigration. Last I checked Hillary was under fire for being a crooked often flip flopping liar, not supposedly hating ethnic minorities. I've seen so many anti trump things that just make this claim that he's racist af and that his support is a hate group and other stupid shit that smells like SJWs. If anyone has a reason to draw attention to them being supportive of cultural diversity it's him. Was this a good and effective way? Not really. But I think the reasoning is more than wanting "the Hispanic vote" and mostly about all those "TRUMP = HITLER??" signs. If most of the points against me in media was a claim that I hated Hispanic people I'd kinda wanna dispel that notion as well. The other day I watched a mob of angry Latinos and Caucasians attack, deface and damage a couples car for being trump supporters, while proudly tossing and waving a Mexico flag. When shit like that happens because people think you hate Hispanics it's not a bad idea to make an effort to get it clear that you don't.[/QUOTE] I know what he's trying to do, but it's the laziest and most dishonest way of doing it. Going to a local Mexican joint? Sure, great PR. Ordering a taco in your office does nothing to dispel the notion you hate hispanics.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50273703]That's like the worst reason to be offended by his tweet.[/QUOTE] To be fair, they disliked him to begin with.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50273719]To be fair, they disliked him to begin with.[/QUOTE] That seems to be the basis for everyone's response to this tweet. If you already like him or don't care, then it's just a silly tweet that doesn't really mean much. If you don't like him already, then it's just another example of how racist and stupid he is.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50273718]I know what he's trying to do, but it's the laziest and most dishonest way of doing it. Going to a local Mexican joint? Sure, great PR. Ordering a taco in your office does nothing to dispel the notion you hate hispanics.[/QUOTE] You're right but I was thinking more of the footnote "I love Hispanics!", mostly ignoring the taco pic If he didn't say that part it'd just be trump eating a taco. I didn't consider that he was also advertising his franchise as a factor till just now. I still think that last part is indicative of his intention to deny that he's racist, which the allegation that he is seems his biggest threat to his political image if the people speaking ill of him are any indication

[QUOTE=sgman91;50273732]That seems to be the basis for everyone's response to this tweet. If you already like him or don't care, then it's just a silly tweet that doesn't really mean much. If you don't like him already, then it's just another example of how racist and stupid he is.[/QUOTE] I don't think the tweet is racist, but it's certainly a poor attempt to pander to the Hispanic population that by far know better by now not to have any faith in Trump for themselves.

I just feel like people are going to focus on this far too much as a distraction from the seriousness of Trump. I feel like people won't take Trump or his supporters seriously and for that reason they won't take anyone else seriously, so people will be busy focused on Trump eating a taco instead of trying to communicate with the supporters about what's wrong. I'm not calling people out here for it - it's more of a thing I see in real life. There's a certain level of Trump intolerance and ego-stroking that feeds off shit like this, and it'll keep going until Trump does something else silly, and I always feel like it's several steps back instead of forward.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50273700]Because you specifically wrote that after I made it clear I'm hispanic; I have the right to question your knowledge of Mexico especially after you ensured me they celebrate Cinco De Mayo in Mexico in September as part of the Cry of Dolores. Eventhough I live among over 1 million Mexicans in my city alone and speak to them daily and I was born within 250 kilometers of Mexico and I've been visiting it my entire life. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwxEOqEIgAEwExp.jpg[/IMG] I don't know what this has to do with what I know about Canada other than me pointing out the fact you're over 3500 km from Mexico and you're trying to tell a Hispanic who lives with Mexicans about Mexico; not only that but you're trying to get around your racism by using the [I]I know a black guy[/I] card.[/QUOTE] I was not even remotely trying to tell you what it is. You're over reactive to a fault on cue. Read my first fucking post. Hint: [b]seems to be[/b]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50273941]I just feel like people are going to focus on this far too much as a distraction from the seriousness of Trump. I feel like people won't take Trump or his supporters seriously and for that reason they won't take anyone else seriously, so people will be busy focused on Trump eating a taco instead of trying to communicate with the supporters about what's wrong. I'm not calling people out here for it - it's more of a thing I see in real life. There's a certain level of Trump intolerance and ego-stroking that feeds off shit like this, and it'll keep going until Trump does something else silly, and I always feel like it's several steps back instead of forward.[/QUOTE] If during the first few months of campaigning here on FP dealing with Trump supporters are any sign, it's impossible to "communicate with supporters", especially "about what's wrong".

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50274730]If during the first few months of campaigning here on FP dealing with Trump supporters are any sign, it's impossible to "communicate with supporters", especially "about what's wrong".[/QUOTE] To be fair, with FP being so heavily anti-Trump it doesn't surprise me that more moderate supporters don't want to speak up, so all we see are the hardliners who don't care if they get flamed or hated.

[QUOTE=catbarf;50275700]To be fair, with FP being so heavily anti-Trump it doesn't surprise me that more moderate supporters don't want to speak up, so all we see are the hardliners who don't care if they get flamed or hated.[/QUOTE] Doesn't stop the hillary supporters from popping up every so often.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50275960]Doesn't stop the hillary supporters from popping up every so often.[/QUOTE] Or the hardline Bernie supporters who'd vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get elected.

Oh man he's just fucking with us now.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50273134]it seems to largely be considered an american mexican holiday to be enjoyed by american mexicans and latino's in general. but I guess calling someone a dumb bitch for insulting El Trumpo is warranted in your books.[/QUOTE] To be fair a lot of my family and friends who are Mexican don't celebrate it because the reason of why we celebrate it is on the wrong day.(the whole we won Independence thing) My family owns a business that's strictly Mexican food in a district that's strictly Mexican restaurants. We get a lot of tourists and I remember seeing several dozen people wearing Luchador masks and sombreros, which I'm still trying to figure out why the former was a thing. So it's mostly a "for the sake of it" thing for lack of a better term. We close early because (at least around here) the real reason people celebrate it is the same reason people celebrate Saint Patricks day : To drink, every year both of those days I see way more fights etc. It's actually a common thing among Mexicans that we don't celebrate it because people celebrate it for the wrong reasons or find an excuse to publicy drink. Sorry if it is off topic but I thought I'd shared that since there's usually misconceptions about it, at least around here.