Obama: "Republicans are in an endless loop of Benghazi and Obamacare" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44864037]Is being a "community organiser" not part of the job as president? You're the figurehead of the country, what you say has some meaning normally. Trying to convince the public your party is the right thing for your country is going to be pretty high on the list of "things that aren't legislative" to do. Every president has to do PR shit, talk shit about the other party, etc. it's kinda part of politics. Saying Obama hasn't been doing his job as president however is dumb, he seems to be doing roughly the same as every other president beforehand, passing legislation when possible, trying to keep the public happy, trying to live his own life on the side where possible, trying to keep global relations from falling to all fuck.[/QUOTE] A president is supposed to be a leader who unites us as a country, not someone who does nothing but talk trash about his opposition. He's divisive, and hurting more than he's helping. Also, I'm not saying that any president before him was a great president either. I can find good points and bad points on each president. This may be because I really got into politics after he started his first term, but I don't remember any other president being THIS partisan and THIS divisive. But then again, I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864126]A president is supposed to be a leader who unites us as a country, not someone who does nothing but talk trash about his opposition. He's divisive, and hurting more than he's helping.[/QUOTE] The Republicans dedicated the [B]last six years[/B] to slandering the Democrats and trying to get the President impeached. It has literally become a mainstay of their party's bottom line.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864126]A president is supposed to be a leader who unites us as a country, not someone who does nothing but talk trash about his opposition. He's divisive, and hurting more than he's helping. Also, I'm not saying that any president before him was a great president either. I can find good points and bad points on each president. This may be because I really got into politics after he started his first term, but I don't remember any other president being THIS partisan and THIS divisive. But then again, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] The point of voting in the parties is to see their view of how the country should be run put into place. Not for them to faff about on the fence. Obama actually pushing for big changes shouldn't be considered a bad thing, even if they did fail. It brought some important discussions about the state of the US forward, something clearly desperately needed going by the near constant "controversies" caused by the ideas. However at the same time, his attempts to actually let the right have a say shouldn't be criticised either. However the right did take this as an opportunity to just mangle anything he tried to push (see the ACA). People on the right are literally trying their hardest to give Obama a no-win situation here. He's not allowed to push for the Democrats policies that they were voted in for, but he's also not allowed to sit on the fence and let the parties come to agreements. He's not allowed to push legislation through when the other arms of government are clearly trying their hardest to fuck with anything that comes their way, but he's also not allowed to sit on his ass and show that the government in its current state is getting nothing done. It's quite literally impossible for him to do any good, let alone anything at all, for people on the right, you're not willing to accept that as a possibility.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864126]A president is supposed to be a leader who unites us as a country, not someone who does nothing but talk trash about his opposition. He's divisive, and hurting more than he's helping.[/QUOTE] Is hard to divide your country when the opposition is doing a better job at it, though.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864126]I don't remember any other president being THIS partisan and THIS divisive. But then again, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] I could say the same about Bush because he's the President I knew about when I grew up, but that would be anecdotal.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864126]A president is supposed to be a leader who unites us as a country, not someone who does nothing but talk trash about his opposition. He's divisive, and hurting more than he's helping. Also, I'm not saying that any president before him was a great president either. I can find good points and bad points on each president. This may be because I really got into politics after he started his first term, but I don't remember any other president being THIS partisan and THIS divisive. But then again, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] No. He's the president during one of the most divisive times in american politics in history. Is it his fault? Absolutely not. He's been quite partisan in his first term, and attempted to do so this term. He has more or less been spat at for his attempts at bipartisanship. I mean how can you even say that Obama is the most divisive president ever when the leader of the opposition said it was his parties entire goal to make the presidents term as bad as possible to make the republicans look good for the next term. He literally said that.

There are a lot of criticisms to be had about President Obama. Him being "divisive" is not one of them.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44864178]The point of voting in the parties is to see their view of how the country should be run put into place. Not for them to faff about on the fence. Obama actually pushing for big changes shouldn't be considered a bad thing, even if they did fail. It brought some important discussions about the state of the US forward, something clearly desperately needed going by the near constant "controversies" caused by the ideas. However at the same time, his attempts to actually let the right have a say shouldn't be criticised either. However the right did take this as an opportunity to just mangle anything he tried to push (see the ACA). People on the right are literally trying their hardest to give Obama a no-win situation here. He's not allowed to push for the Democrats policies that they were voted in for, but he's also no allowed to sit on the fence and let the parties come to agreements. He's not allowed to push legislation through when the other arms of government are clearly trying their hardest to fuck with anything that comes their way, but he's also not allowed to sit on his ass and show that the government in its current state is getting nothing done. It's quite literally impossible for him to do any good, let alone anything at all, for people on the right, you're not willing to accept that as a possibility.[/QUOTE] Honestly, it's not all obama's fault. I'm a conservative and I know that republicans aren't the shining white knights that fox news likes to portray them as. I also understand that Harry Reid and other senate democrats have a lot of the blame that gets pushed onto obama instead. I just don't think a president should be bashing people from the opposing party like this. I think it's unprofessional and very tacky. He is supposed to be held to a higher standard than anyone else. That's what I'm trying to get at here. I'm not saying he's evil, nor am I saying the republicans are innocent. I'm saying it's unbecoming of the title "President" to be doing these things.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864235]Honestly, it's not all obama's fault. I'm a conservative and I know that republicans aren't the shining white knights that fox news likes to portray them as. I also understand that Harry Reid and other senate democrats have a lot of the blame that gets pushed onto obama instead. I just don't think a president should be bashing people from the opposing party like this. I think it's unprofessional and very tacky. He is supposed to be held to a higher standard than anyone else. That's what I'm trying to get at here. I'm not saying he's evil, nor am I saying the republicans are innocent. I'm saying it's unbecoming of the title "President" to be doing these things.[/QUOTE] I don't think I'd ever call politics anywhere near professional :v: It's basically a bunch of teenagers with wrinkles in suits over here. Calling out the opposition when they do something dumb, or attempt to call you out is just something politicians will always do. Figurehead of the country or not.

[QUOTE=sgman91;44863388]Let's just ignore the fact that the majority of democrats at one time believed that the US government was involved in 9/11. *hint* Both parties do the same kind of stuff *hint*[/QUOTE] Why are you ignoring the fact that a majority of Republicans have a shrine to Hitler in their closet that they masturbate over every three days? See I can make things up too

[QUOTE=sgman91;44863455]Give me a bit and I'll find the poll. Over 50% of democrats either fully or somewhat agreed that the government knew beforehand. So they either were part of it or purposefully didn't prevent it.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html"]It could be because of stories like these.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44864260]Why are you ignoring the fact that a majority of Republicans have a shrine to Hitler in their closet that they masturbate over every three days? See I can make things up too[/QUOTE] whoa whoa whoa evidence? you have one hour to come back to this thread with a poll demonstrating this claim, and well, if you never do, just quietly sort of leave the thread under the guise that you're searching for it, and maybe it won't ever be brought up again

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44864256]I don't think I'd ever call politics anywhere near professional :v: It's basically a bunch of teenagers with wrinkles in suits over here. Calling out the opposition when they do something dumb, or attempt to call you out is just something politicians will always do. Figurehead of the country or not.[/QUOTE] I will agree with you all day long on that part..... And that's the sad part. Even though I didn't want him as president, I still expected Obama to change the presidency for the better. I thought he was going to be more professional, but I guess professional and politics are incompatible. The same way I expect Boehner to own up to the funding fiasco, I expected Obama to own up to his shortcomings. I expected him to be different an more mature than what we've always had, and to see that he's not really is a big let down.

He literally couldn't do anything to change anything when half the people there wanted him to fail and flail wildly in death throws so they look better. There is no changing that by being a "better man". He is the president in the worst time to be a democratic president in a long time with a vehemently charged group of people who think he's the worst thing to ever happen to the country.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44864235]Honestly, it's not all obama's fault. I'm a conservative and I know that republicans aren't the shining white knights that fox news likes to portray them as. I also understand that Harry Reid and other senate democrats have a lot of the blame that gets pushed onto obama instead. I just don't think a president should be bashing people from the opposing party like this. I think it's unprofessional and very tacky. He is supposed to be held to a higher standard than anyone else. That's what I'm trying to get at here. I'm not saying he's evil, nor am I saying the republicans are innocent. I'm saying it's unbecoming of the title "President" to be doing these things.[/QUOTE] why every single president since the inception of the office has made fun of people christ at this point you should just be happy he isn't drooling on himself or sexually harassing news reporters

[QUOTE=Erector Beast;44864312]whoa whoa whoa evidence? you have one hour to come back to this thread with a poll demonstrating this claim, and well, if you never do, just quietly sort of leave the thread under the guise that you're searching for it, and maybe it won't ever be brought up again[/QUOTE] Damn it stop hounding me and give me time to find the poll!!!

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44864363]He literally couldn't do anything to change anything when half the people there wanted him to fail and flail wildly in death throws so they look better. There is no changing that by being a "better man". He is the president in the worst time to be a democratic president in a long time with a vehemently charged group of people who think he's the worst thing to ever happen to the country.[/QUOTE] What? He was a democrat president with a majority democrat house and a majority democrat senate (not now but at the time of obamacares passage) This is what is known as a trifecta- there's absolutely no way to stop democrats (at that time) from passing any law they wanted.. I'm not getting into the "was his presidency good/bad" - I'm simple pointing out that democrats cannot use republicans as an excuse.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;44864613]What? He was a democrat president with a majority democrat house and a majority democrat senate (not now but at the time of obamacares passage) This is what is known as a trifecta- there's absolutely no way to stop democrats (at that time) from passing any law they wanted.. I'm not getting into the "was his presidency good/bad" - I'm simple pointing out that democrats cannot use republicans as an excuse.[/QUOTE] So they SHOULD have steamrolled the republicans rather than participate in bipartisan politics that didn't work well? They shouldn't have put a hand out across the aisle? They should do exactly what all republicans were scared of which was steam roll them?

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;44864613]What? He was a democrat president with a majority democrat house and a majority democrat senate (not now but at the time of obamacares passage) This is what is known as a trifecta- there's absolutely no way to stop democrats (at that time) from passing any law they wanted.. I'm not getting into the "was his presidency good/bad" - I'm simple pointing out that democrats cannot use republicans as an excuse.[/QUOTE] except they can, because two years into his presidency ([I]wwweeeellllllll[/I] before Obamacare could have begun rolling out) the GOP regained control of the House and have spent the last four years actively tabling, rejecting, filibustering, and repealing what Democrats have been attempting to do. you can argue that Obama could have rushed those first two years getting as much done as he could while he had complete control, but he was also a first-term president, and those are the kind of presidents that are seeking to look bipartisan enough to get elected to a second term. if he had made no attempt to compromise, he would have been a much easier target for conservative propaganda. however, he did, and was rightly able to use that as an excuse for the latter half of his first term in order to get reelected. now that he's over a year into his second term, people (including you) are forgetting that the GOP has been a very effective group of assholes who block everything that comes across their desks to try to hold out until they can get the presidency back and send us spiraling back toward the 2008 economy crash. here, we come, Lehmann brothers! fuck healthcare

[QUOTE=sgman91;44863388]Let's just ignore the fact that the majority of democrats at one time believed that the US government was involved in 9/11. *hint* Both parties do the same kind of stuff *hint*[/QUOTE] Its been two hours. Is it really that hard to find a poll to support your claim on the internet?

Some say he is searching for the source to this very day.

You know, I find it funny that people criticize the democrats for not really having used the opportunity when they had majority in the house and the senate to pass anything they wanted. In my country (Canada), we can only dream of members of a party disagreeing with the leader because of a little thing we call "party discipline". It basically gives the Prime Minister more power over the country than your President could ever dream of. Yet it seems like most Americans don't appreciate the fact that their elected representative can disagree with their own party.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44864642]So they SHOULD have steamrolled the republicans rather than participate in bipartisan politics that didn't work well? They shouldn't have put a hand out across the aisle? They should do exactly what all republicans were scared of which was steam roll them?[/QUOTE] I saying they could have... I'll go further then that and say they did (specifically in regards to obamacare)

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[QUOTE=Erector Beast;44864312]whoa whoa whoa evidence? you have one hour to come back to this thread with a poll demonstrating this claim, and well, if you never do, just quietly sort of leave the thread under the guise that you're searching for it, and maybe it won't ever be brought up again[/QUOTE] I believe he was matching the absurdity of the other party's claim to say how ridiculous their argument was.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;44866071]I saying they could have... I'll go further then that and say they did (specifically in regards to obamacare)[/QUOTE] They didn't because there was a desire for bipartisanship in the country. The republicans pretty much shot that down. They didn't steam roll through Obamacare.

[QUOTE=mchapra;44866171]I believe he was matching the absurdity of the other party's claim to say how ridiculous their argument was.[/QUOTE] i know he was, and i was mocking the same guy he was, but that joke apparently went over some people's heads sgman we're still waiting for your polls brother

I almost want some firmly/'far right' conservative guy to become president just to see the shenanigans unfold, but that would be fifteen kinds of crisis that I would instantly regret I have a feeling that, years and years from now, Obama is going to be regarded almost as a tragic figure, who, barring some admittedly big shenanigans like the NSA and the drones, came into office at the wrong time

so you're saying he's the jimmy carter of our time

[QUOTE=Erector Beast;44866232]so you're saying he's the jimmy carter of our time[/QUOTE] Except we still have dumbshits saying "Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever I'm so glad God sent Ronald Reagan to come save America"