Missouri KKK Threaten Use of Lethal Force Against Ferguson Protestors - Polidicks

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489681]when i constantly hear African Americans walk around my school saying "if that police officer gets off im gonna bash some heads in" and stuff like "kirkwood better call off school if he gets off or people are gonna get hurt" i can understand rating this winner. They have been threatening my school for the [i]past 3 weeks[/i], along with saying shit like "The black man cant do nothin about the white mans system"[/QUOTE] So in your mind calling on the KKK is a perfectly reasonable reaction from the white community? are you being fucking serious right now, guy?

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46489704]So in your mind calling on the KKK is a perfectly reasonable reaction from the white community? are you being fucking serious right now, guy?[/QUOTE] No im saying the community has no reason to protest if he is innocent. Unless they take it to a higher court, then the case is over with, and no amount of protesting will fix anything. All it will do is cause [i]more[/i] trouble. Business owners in ferguson have started boarding up their windows because they already know whats going to happen when the ruling is released.

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489681]when i constantly hear African Americans walk around my school saying "if that police officer gets off im gonna bash some heads in" and stuff like "kirkwood better call off school if he gets off or people are gonna get hurt" i can understand rating this winner. They have been threatening my school for the [i]past 3 weeks[/i], along with saying shit like "The black man cant do nothin about the white mans system"[/QUOTE] So your preferred method to combat the racial outrage that's been built up in the black community of Saint Louis over the last sixty years is to support the exact groups, institutions, and ideologies that sparked that outrage? I won't defend the actions of anybody who uses these protests as an excuse to exercise thuggery, because violence does nothing but worsen any situation, but there is a long and embarrassing history of racial persecution in the city of Saint Louis, and it is far from over. I guarantee you that the absolute quickest way to watch this situation explode is for the nutjobs in the KKK to follow through on their threats.

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489741]No im saying the community has no reason to protest if he is innocent. Unless they take it to a higher court, then the case is over with, and no amount of protesting will fix anything. All it will do is cause [i]more[/i] trouble. Business owners in ferguson have started boarding up their windows because they already know whats going to happen when the ruling is released.[/QUOTE] you shouldn't act like some kind of authoritative figure on how the black community should react to events like these

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489741]No im saying the community has no reason to protest if he is innocent. Unless they take it to a higher court, then the case is over with, and no amount of protesting will fix anything. All it will do is cause [i]more[/i] trouble. Business owners in ferguson have started boarding up their windows because they already know whats going to happen when the ruling is released.[/QUOTE] This isn't just about Michael Brown. Michael Brown was just the catalyst to over six decades of racial tension. Saint Louis has done horrific things to black people, things that they are still living. The no-man's-land ghost towns of East Saint Louis are a dangerous testament to that fact.

i wonder if the KKK does do something if we could probably be seeing st louis as the next la riots

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46489594]Today's KKK isn't like the KKK of yesteryear. Just like the majority of everyone else in this country, they've gone all soft, too. They're just like a motorcycle gang today. Less of a gang, more of a club. Except without the bikes.[/QUOTE] yeah what a bunch of softies threatening to execute tons of peaceful protesters and ignite nation-wide racial tensions! do another lynch mob like your first one, you sellout hack fucks! [editline]14th November[/editline] the KKK just wasn't the same after [I]Ride The Lighting[/I]

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489741]No im saying the community has no reason to protest if he is innocent. Unless they take it to a higher court, then the case is over with, and no amount of protesting will fix anything. All it will do is cause [i]more[/i] trouble. Business owners in ferguson have started boarding up their windows because they already know whats going to happen when the ruling is released.[/QUOTE] The wording in your previous post implied that you carry a bit of empathy for those that agree with the KKK's reaction. Now, instead of moving the goalposts like you just did answer the question: Do you think inviting the KKK to action against the Ferguson protesters is a reasonable thing to do? If so, what is your specific logic in allowing literal racists to act out against the one group of people they collectively hate? How would you ever find that acceptable?

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489741]No im saying the community has no reason to protest if he is innocent. Unless they take it to a higher court, then the case is over with, and no amount of protesting will fix anything. All it will do is cause [i]more[/i] trouble. Business owners in ferguson have started boarding up their windows because they already know whats going to happen when the ruling is released.[/QUOTE] the protests were initially because lethal force was used immediately for potentially invalid reasons, lots of controversy over whether he was shot in the back, etc. They wanted answers, and the answer they were GIVEN was saying they were justified due to something they didn't know about at the time of the shooting. Continue controversy over whether force was necessary, etc etc. now, regardless of what happened in the initial incident, the police force has acted fucking hilariously awful in retaliation to the protests and in trying to shut down the situation, they're making sure it stays relevant and keeps making national news

[QUOTE=AJ10017;46489681]when i constantly hear African Americans walk around my school[/QUOTE] "My experience in high school has given me a realistic and trustworthy view on race relations!"

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46489775]if the KKK does do something we could probably see st louis be the next la riot[/QUOTE] It would be worse. On top of the protestors and the police, the National Guard would probably come in properly this time with more than the military police they had last time. The KKK is apparently going to make an appearance, and somewhere floating out there is the Missouri Militia; from press releases it's hard to tell if the latter would be siding with the protestors against the police or with locals against the protestors. No telling what groups might be driving into Ferguson right now. I really think that people aren't treating this as seriously as they should. Radicals on any side have had months to prepare for tomorrow. Last time the protests were immediate and unplanned after Michael Brown's death, and we [I]still[/I] had sniper fire at times. Shit could go very bad very quick.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46489775]i wonder if the KKK does do something if we could probably be seeing st louis as the next la riots[/QUOTE] It already is the new LA riots. "unarmed black man killed by white police officer" boom, town goes fucking crazy without any more investigation leading up it. Now that we're on the bubble for the verdict, they're getting ready again. Anything that isnt "guilty"** is going to cause a riot with or without the KKK. ** see BDA and my follow up post. They're deliberating on whether there is enough evidence to [I]indict[/I] officer Wilson. This carries no presumption of guilt.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46489863]It already is the new LA riots. "unarmed black man killed by white police officer" boom, town goes fucking crazy without any more investigation leading up it. Now that we're on the bubble for the verdict, they're getting ready again. Anything that isnt "guilty" is going to cause a riot with or without the KKK.[/QUOTE] It's important to note that this is not a decision about whether or not Wilson is guilty. They are simply deciding if there is reasonable enough evidence to file formal charges against him.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46489784]The wording in your previous post implied that you carry a bit of empathy for those that agree with the KKK's reaction. Now, instead of moving the goalposts like you just did answer the question: Do you think inviting the KKK to action against the Ferguson protesters is a reasonable thing to do? If so, what is your specific logic in allowing literal racists to act out against the one group of people they collectively hate? How would you ever find that acceptable?[/QUOTE] I honestly dont care if they [i]peaceful protests[/i]. But when thugs take advantage of it to destroy businesses and harm people, then it becomes a huge issue. im not calling on the KKK to do anything, i just dont want those who go around shooting people on the street and burning buildings during the protest to go unpunished. That being said, there definitely needs to be a close eye kept on the situation. Another thing is that the fact that this whole event is threatening a lot of the schools in the surrounding area, including my own school which busses in around 500-800 black students in from the city has me upset

The KKK is stupid and rioters are stupid. Why does one have to be better than the other? They are both ignorant, hate filled groups doing nothing but perpetuating illusionary, self-serving, problems.

[QUOTE=MrBob1337;46489826]It would be worse. On top of the protestors and the police, the National Guard would probably come in properly this time with more than the military police they had last time. The KKK is apparently going to make an appearance, and somewhere floating out there is the Missouri Militia; from press releases it's hard to tell if the latter would be siding with the protestors against the police or with locals against the protestors. No telling what groups might be driving into Ferguson right now. I really think that people aren't treating this as seriously as they should. Radicals on any side have had months to prepare for tomorrow. Last time the protests were immediate and unplanned after Michael Brown's death, and we [I]still[/I] had sniper fire at times. Shit could go very bad very quick.[/QUOTE] The Missouri militias are pretty divided from the last I've heard. The Missouri Citizen Militia and most of the Oathkeepers are on the Police's side, but then you have some more leftist branches which are pissed and out for blood and are teaming up with local gangs and stuff to instigate shit. The situation is only getting worse with some people actually trying to instigate conflict by taking potshots at the police.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46489647]Except they're still a racist organization that, during the Ferguson event alone, are openly threatening to kill black people, burning crosses, and leaving nooses at protest sites. Just because they're not barricading the exits and burning down blues clubs anymore doesn't mean that their goals, motivations, and general philosophies have changed.[/QUOTE] they didn't threaten violence against black people. they threatened violence against people that are themselves threatening violence against police officers. the klan hasn't been racist on an official level for a long time. they wouldn't make a public announcement of racism like this, they're [B]trying[/B] to clean up their reputation.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46489594]Today's KKK isn't like the KKK of yesteryear. Just like the majority of everyone else in this country, they've gone all soft, too. They're just like a motorcycle gang today. Less of a gang, more of a club. Except without the bikes.[/QUOTE] is this post real

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46489885]It's important to note that this is not a decision about whether or not Wilson is guilty. They are simply deciding whether or not to file formal charges against him.[/QUOTE] That why I put guilty in the quotations. The jury is deliberating if they have enough (if any) evidence to indict officer Wilson. If they return a no verdict: Riots, people calling others racists, "the system has failed", "jury was rigged", etc, etc. If they indict and convict: more riots, only in good faith. "justice has been served" If they indict and not convict: same as a no verdict.

obv Ferguson is a lot more volatile but you dudes were also ranting about how those damn uncontrollable thugs!!! would riot if Zimmerman were found not guilty and that never happened. Rodney King was only beat, not killed, so if it were really only about the victims and not the systems in place shouldn't all of these cases have much worse riots than the LA ones? Stop stretching the truth to fill your narrative that black people are violent rioters that only react to sensationalism and not the fucking powder keg of underlying issues below the spark

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46489912]they didn't threaten violence against black people. they threatened violence against people that are themselves threatening violence against police officers. the klan hasn't been racist on an official level for a long time. they wouldn't make a public announcement of racism like this, they're [B]trying[/B] to clean up their reputation.[/QUOTE] Let's be real here.

Anyone who rated this winner disgusts me. How can you support a hate group that spawned because of hatred toward minorities, especially african-americans? Never change facepunch

The KKK is just the white NAACP!

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46489960]Let's be real here.[/QUOTE] I listed you facts. just because your mind is made up about them that doesn't make it any less dumb to type out lies about them. it's a known fact that they're trying desperately to cleanse their public image, they have been for like 7 years now. there's probably quite a lot of proof that they're still a hate organization and that most of their members are racist, but that just makes it even more pointless to make shit up to use against them.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;46490009]I listed you facts. just because your mind is made up about them that doesn't make it any less dumb to type out lies about them. it's a known fact that they're trying desperately to cleanse their public image, they have been for like 7 years now. there's probably quite a lot of proof that they're still a hate organization and that most of their members are racist, but that just makes it even more pointless to make shit up to use against them.[/QUOTE] They may be trying to change their public image, but the core philosophies of their group, and the motivations of their members, have not changed. That you would have the gall to claim that they aren't in this because of racial reasons is laughable. This entire protest is about anti-black racism, and it is a simple fact that the lions share of protestors will be black. It would take a deeply disturbing level of ignorance to pretend that the KKK didn't have a very specific target audience in mind for their threats.

Why is this getting winners? Since the very start people (especially people on the internet and right wingers) have been predicting how black people are going to use this as an excuse to incite racial violence. Now a racist white group shows up, basically threatening to incite racial violence, and those same people are [i]glad?[/i] I wish racists these days could find the balls to just admit that they hold different standards for different people like the good ol days of racism. It's really tiring having to analyze discourse to see who the racists are, just wear it with pride to save me time please [editline]14th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;46489898]The KKK is stupid and rioters are stupid. Why does one have to be better than the other?[/QUOTE] One is better than the other because while one is responding angrily to a perceived injustice, the other is responding angrily to the existence of people who have different coloured skin.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490163][B]Why is this getting winners[/B]? Since the very start people (especially people on the internet and right wingers) have been predicting how black people are going to use this as an excuse to incite racial violence. Now a racist white group shows up, basically threatening to incite racial violence, and those same people are [i]glad?[/i] I wish racists these days could find the balls to just admit that they hold different standards for different people like the good ol days of racism. It's really tiring having to analyze discourse to see who the racists are, just wear it with pride to save me time please[/QUOTE] closeted kkk apologists is a safe bet.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46490117]They may be trying to change their public image, but the core philosophies of their group, and the motivations of their members, have not changed. That you would have the gall to claim that they aren't in this because of racial reasons is laughable. This entire protest is about anti-black racism, and it is a simple fact that the lions share of protestors will be black. It would take a deeply disturbing level of ignorance to pretend that the KKK didn't have a very specific target audience in mind for their threats.[/QUOTE] what's laughable is the fact that everything you accused me of was already stated to not be true in the very post you quoted.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490163]Why is this getting winners? Since the very start people (especially people on the internet and right wingers) have been predicting how black people are going to use this as an excuse to incite racial violence. Now a racist white group shows up, basically threatening to incite racial violence, and those same people are [i]glad?[/i] I wish racists these days could find the balls to just admit that they hold different standards for different people like the good ol days of racism. It's really tiring having to analyze discourse to see who the racists are, just wear it with pride to save me time please [editline]14th November 2014[/editline] One is better than the other because while one is responding angrily to a perceived injustice, the other is responding angrily to the existence of people who have different coloured skin.[/QUOTE] If you had read the article (objectively), you would have realized that they aren't going there to "incite racial violence", but to partake in what's basically vigilantism against protesters who use violence towards others, not to fight all the protesters. I don't necessarily agree with this type of vigilantism, but that's what it is.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490163]Why is this getting winners? Since the very start people (especially people on the internet and right wingers) have been predicting how black people are going to use this as an excuse to incite racial violence. Now a racist white group shows up, basically threatening to incite racial violence, and those same people are [i]glad?[/i] I wish racists these days could find the balls to just admit that they hold different standards for different people like the good ol days of racism. It's really tiring having to analyze discourse to see who the racists are, just wear it with pride to save me time please [editline]14th November 2014[/editline] One is better than the other because while one is responding angrily to a perceived injustice, the other is responding angrily to the existence of people who have different coloured skin.[/QUOTE] facepunch has an alarming amount of kkk apologists, iirc in a thread about the kkk vs wbc there were a bunch of people saying "the kkk ain't that bad." plus a bunch of fp'ers are either closet racist or very openly racist.