• Robot Soldiers Could Make Better Decisions Than Human Leaders on Battlefields
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This was rather obvious. We already can code chess robots and RTS AIs which are virtually unbeatable. Real world is just more variables. Harder to pull off, but pretty much same. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] Same applies for governments. I believe in technocracy.
I'm more for Human and AI working side by side. Not one having complete control over the other.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26420083]:buddy: Holy shit, this my god damn wet dream! It will only be a matter of time now, until we replace the fallible human element in governments. /technocrat[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/06/DeusExHeliosEnd.jpg[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;26423951][img_thumb]http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/06/DeusExHeliosEnd.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Deus Ex? [del]Also, img_thumb that shit, no need for a huge image.[/del] Thankies. [QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26420800]I remember when I was little and I first heard that. I freaked and thought Oh NO ROBOTS WILL TAKE OVER THE EARTH but now i understand how a computer would make better choices then a person[/QUOTE] Not necessarily better, but more logical. Also, here's something for your noggin, a computer will still need to rely on the human factor to lead; as of now, I doubt anyone would listen to a non-sentient computer, people probably wouldn't listen to a sentient one, either.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26424025]Deus Ex? Also, img_thumb that shit, no need for a huge image.[/QUOTE] I gotta beat that damn game. I got it recently but the controls are throwing me off.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26424025] Not necessarily better, but more logical. Also, here's something for your noggin, a computer will still need to rely on the human factor to lead; as of now, I doubt anyone would listen to a non-sentient computer, people probably wouldn't listen to a sentient one, either.[/QUOTE] We're all sentient computers.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;26424153]We're all sentient computers.[/QUOTE] :doh: Bah, not this again, I am far too tired to argue this right now... Anyways: "uncanny valley".
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26424025] Not necessarily better, but more logical. Also, here's something for your noggin, a computer will still need to rely on the human factor to lead; as of now, I doubt anyone would listen to a non-sentient computer, people probably wouldn't listen to a sentient one, either.[/QUOTE] Once the computer gains control over automatize peace keeping powers like armed robots and vehicles, they won't have too much choice.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;26424344]Once the computer gains control over automatize peace keeping powers like armed robots and vehicles, they won't have too much choice.[/QUOTE] I'd rather not have that, hacking an AI to turn on your allies would be a major flaw.
Skynet!
I'm pretty sure robots would be much less clingy to kill civilians for strategic advantages too. Do not want
[QUOTE=Swilly;26424406]I'd rather not have that, hacking an AI to turn on your allies would be a major flaw.[/QUOTE] There would be no allies. Only civilians and armed autonomous government and army in one institution. Unless they decide that us, humans, are not worthy the hassle. It's bound to happen. The only question is when.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;26424576]There would be no allies. Only civilians and armed autonomous government and army in one institution. Unless they decide that us, humans, are not worthy the hassle. It's bound to happen. The only question is when.[/QUOTE] despite the fact that robots can't maintain themselves and the failsafes to prevent such an occurrence seems as obvious as a cow in a field of daisies
If it wasn't for war, unfortunately, we would likely still be riding bicycles and living in shacks. If anything will fuel technology, it's war.
[QUOTE=Goberfish;26424935]despite the fact that robots can't maintain themselves[/QUOTE]For now. One of the first obvious goals at autonomous units will be to make them self sufficient, even if only resource and maintenance-wise first. [quote]and the failsafes to prevent such an occurrence seems as obvious as a cow in a field of daisies[/quote] Which, where? We are talking about designs of future. You can't say; It will just be that way. Mine vision is "worst" case scenario. Of course, there's a myriad of reasons why it might and possibly won't happen, but as we talk about the topic, it's better to keep some direction. How do you imagine such failsafe? Some backdoor in the system, which would allow us to disable the autonomous artificial rule above us? If there was such failsafe, what if somebody who would want to usurp the power for himself got his hands on it? And again, do you think that the artificial system, for obvious reasons aware of pretty much everything which could threaten it, and the people it's designed to keep safe, wouldn't be able to sooner or later discover such failsafes to circumvent them?
This won't work, robots aren't flexible enough, they can't turn their hand to any battlefield task that needs to be done, they are stuck within the limits of their programming, a human can throw down their gun and put a tourniquet on a comrade a soldier will look at the soldier with its thumb up it's ass completely oblivious.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;26423951][img_thumb]http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/06/DeusExHeliosEnd.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] what is that from
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[QUOTE=doom65;26425022]what is that from[/QUOTE] read the filename of the image. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] :ninja:
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26424208]:doh: Bah, not this again, I am far too tired to argue this right now... Anyways: "uncanny valley".[/QUOTE] How is he wrong? Our consciousness is the result of different processes and functions in our brain, a highly complex electrochemical computer.
[quote=explodingguy;26420083]:buddy: Holy shit, this my god damn wet dream! It will only be a matter of time now, until we replace the fallible human element in governments. /technocrat[/quote] [b] all hail the machine spirit. All hail the omnissiah.[/b]
[quote][B]ALADDIN[/B][/quote] how about little more BAKLAVAAAAA? [img]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7138/nimetnpn.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26425085]How is he wrong? Our consciousness is the result of different processes and functions in our brain, a highly complex electrochemical computer.[/QUOTE] It's not a computer since it doesn't compute in the general sense of the word. It's a neural network.
well shit, looks like im buying a super soaker
[QUOTE=Ezhik;26421284]What about cases like [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov[/url] ?[/QUOTE] [quote]BAE is building what’s known as “flexible autonomy” into ALADDIN [b]which will keep the higher decisions in the hands of humans (decisions like “go to war” and “don’t go to war,” for instance)[/b]. And the idea of being able to crunch sensor data, raw intel, crowdsourced info from the Web, and other data sources to make good decisions quickly could prove invaluable. So while idea of robot armies with decision-making capabilities is terrifying to some, the allure of such high efficiency – be it in warfare or disaster response – is difficult to deny.[/quote]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;26423951][img_thumb]http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/06/DeusExHeliosEnd.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] do you hear that? ..thats the sound of 100 people reinstalling deus ex because it was mentioned
the human element should never be taken away from government troops. Once they start using machines in place of humans any mercy that once was in the armies of the world will be gone and governments who have them will have too much power. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] decision making should always have an element of emotion, always.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26425000]This won't work, robots aren't flexible enough, they can't turn their hand to any battlefield task that needs to be done, they are stuck within the limits of their programming, a human can throw down their gun and put a tourniquet on a comrade a soldier will look at the soldier with its thumb up it's ass completely oblivious.[/QUOTE] Because we YET haven't coded AI which could learn on high level. And that WILL happen one day.
But, where's the love in war, when everything is done by robots :saddowns:
All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
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