60% of Americans think Sarah Palin isn't qualified to be president, other 40% Belgians
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[QUOTE=GhettoGeek;24478328]Umm no, 40% of America isn't stupid. They only asked a few people, if they asked the whole entire country then it would be a lot more then 60%[/QUOTE]
You have no idea how statistics work do you? Hell, the thing you're taught after correlation!=causation is how randomized samples of around 1000 people have small margins of error. Sure 2000 is better than 1000 but there's a certain point where the difference between two high sample sizes is virtually nonexistent.
Don't take this as a true 60%... I am an American and I was never contacted for this research. Thus the number is just like every other statistic and just bull shit.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478580]Any person born in the US and over the age of 18 is officially qualified to be president.[/QUOTE]
You need to read Article II, Section I of the Constitution :colbert:
[QUOTE=CaptainQuirk;24477654]Your view differs from that of 40% of Americans so you insist on making a thread to show your disapproval. Good job OP in thinking opinions shouldn't be allowed.[/QUOTE]
Strawman
[QUOTE=Squad;24478638]Don't take this as a true 60%... I am an American and I was never contacted for this research. Thus the number is just like every other statistic and just bull shit.[/QUOTE]
:colbert:
[QUOTE=Squad;24478638]Don't take this as a true 60%... I am an American and I was never contacted for this research. Thus the number is just like every other statistic and just bull shit.[/QUOTE]
Because they didn't contact you the poll is invalid?
Have you ever been contacted for any sort of poll?
[QUOTE=RBM11;24478611]You have no idea how statistics work do you? Hell, the thing you're taught after correlation!=causation is how randomized samples of around 1000 people have small margins of error. Sure 2000 is better than 1000 but there's a certain point where the difference between two high sample sizes is virtually nonexistent.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea what theory is?
How "random" is this sample?
They picked 1000 random people who visit [url]www.republicans.com?[/url] Or did they pick 1000 people who were outside of a Democratic convention.
Did they pick 1000 people from a state that has a tradition of leaning towards one side of politics rather than the other.
In theory a RANDOM sample should be a pretty good indication, however, getting a RANDOM sample is a lot harder to do.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;24478776]Because they didn't contact you the poll is invalid?
Have you ever been contacted for any sort of poll?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say the poll was invalid. I was only saying that the 60% could easily be 30% or 90%, depends on who they ask.
They called random people on the phone.
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usually how people do these polls
[QUOTE=Squad;24478783]You have no idea what theory is?
How "random" is this sample?
They picked 1000 random people who visit [URL="http://www.republicans.com?"]www.republicans.com?[/URL] Or did they pick 1000 people who were outside of a Democratic convention.
Did they pick 1000 people from a state that has a tradition of leaning towards one side of politics rather than the other.
In theory a RANDOM sample should be a pretty good indication, however, getting a RANDOM sample is a lot harder to do.[/QUOTE]
I was saying don't imply that the poll is bad just because it doesn't include everyone in the population. I don't know the source of the polled, nor do you so don't claim whether it's random or not. I simply stated that a random sample is just as accurate as polling every single person, and much more practical and cheap.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;24478842]They called random people on the phone.
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usually how people do these polls[/QUOTE]
Where did they get the phone list from?
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[QUOTE=RBM11;24478883]I was saying don't imply that the poll is bad just because it doesn't include everyone in the population. I don't know the source of the polled, nor do you so don't claim whether it's random or not. I simply stated that a random sample is just as accurate as polling every single person, and much more practical and cheap.[/QUOTE]
I was simply talking about what you said. In theory your idea is great. But I meant in GENERAL not just this specific case. A truly random poll is harder to produce than it sounds.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478580]Any person born in the US and over the age of 18 is officially qualified to be president.[/QUOTE]
Not officially, at least according to the Constitution.
[QUOTE=RBM11;24478645]You need to read Article II, Section I of the Constitution :colbert:[/QUOTE]
Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478953]Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.[/QUOTE]
You have to be at least 35 years of age to become president.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478953]Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Article II, Section I of the Constitution of the United States]
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
[I](The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html"]chuse[/URL] by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html"]chuse[/URL] the President. But in [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html"]chusing[/URL] the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#QUORUM"]quorum[/URL] for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html"]chuse[/URL] from them by Ballot the Vice-President.)[/I] [B](This clause in parentheses was superseded by the [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am12.html"]12th Amendment[/URL].)[/B]
The Congress may determine the Time of [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html"]chusing[/URL] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
[I](In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.)[/I] [B](This clause in parentheses has been modified by the [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am20.html"]20th[/URL] and [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am25.html"]25th Amendments[/URL].)[/B]
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#EMOLUMENT"]Emolument[/URL] from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[/quote]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478953]Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.[/QUOTE]
I already did in my post. It wasn't a direct quote but it's the three qualifications to be president.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478953]Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.[/QUOTE]
Here ya go.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478953]Quote it for me here then, I'm not American.[/QUOTE]
Smelly Canadians and their assumptions :canada:
You know what they say about assuming...
It's not a good thing to do?
[QUOTE=RBM11;24479108]Smelly Canadians and their assumptions :canada:
You know what they say about assuming...[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and I admit my mistake. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Why 35 though? Doesn't that just always insure that the previous generation's viewpoints will be the ones represented? I don't think Canada has ever had a below-35 PM, but the only requirement is that you are a citizen of voting age.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24479379]Indeed, and I admit my mistake. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Why 35 though? Doesn't that just always insure that the previous generation's viewpoints will be the ones represented? I don't think Canada has ever had a below-35 PM, but the only requirement is that you are a citizen of voting age.[/QUOTE]
The founders were old people, you know how they are.
It's probably so it insures that the majority of Presidents will have at least some experience as a Congressman or Governor. IIRC Senators and House Reps have a minimum age of around 20 or so. Also, the median age of the U.S. is around 40 so it works out quite nicely.
I'd fuck her :smug:
[QUOTE=RBM11;24479572]The founders were old people, you know how they are.
It's probably so it insures that the majority of Presidents will have at least some experience as a Congressman or Governor. IIRC Senators and House Reps have a minimum age of around 20 or so. Also, the median age of the U.S. is around 40 so it works out quite nicely.[/QUOTE]
The founders also had great foresight and did a damn good job at writing the constitution, I'm not sure why they'd overlook this.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24479616]The founders also had great foresight and did a damn good job at writing the constitution, I'm not sure why they'd overlook this.[/QUOTE]
We can always amend it if we had to but the average age of the President at inauguration is around 55 so I don't think it will be amended. I don't really have an opinion on it.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478580]Any person born in the US and over the age of 18 is officially qualified to be president.[/QUOTE]
LOL NO.
Minimum age is 35. Also, need to have lived in the United States for 14 years, and be a natural-born citizen.
Oh hey, I'm late to the party.
Anyway, as per the topic: Yeah, 60% is way too low. Should be at least in the 70-80% range. I would hope anyway.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24479616]The founders also had great foresight and did a damn good job at writing the constitution, I'm not sure why they'd overlook this.[/QUOTE]
They were trying to keep idiots out of office. Citizens weren't originally really able to even vote.
[QUOTE=DJSergei;24479611]I'd fuck her :smug:[/QUOTE]
:wtc:
Qualified to be president? How is this even a question, I mean seriously.
it's so reassuring to my faith in humanity whenever I see the stupidity of this great nation
:downs:
It always makes me laugh when someone on TV or the radio says something positive about Palin.
Really, I just can't hold it in.
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