Britons who kill police officers to be given whole actual life sentences - Polidicks

This is just a pathetic attempt by Theresa May to try and win back the Police Federation. In my opinion, arbitrary sentences aren't really justice.

I think its good, they're here to serve and protect us and in dodgy areas they put their lives on the line to try and stop the grief criminals give innocent people.

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;40653561]Because having a proper rehabilitation system would be better? You might not be going eye for an eye and executing the person with this, but you're still wasting an entire life. Say that a criminal is 20 years old. Are you sure that if given support they would still be the same person after ~60 years and couldn't be released?[/QUOTE] I think that's the general though process. It's flawed, but the argument is that murder can often be the result of passion or gain, but killing a police officer means they've gone too far as they've actually targeted authority and are beyond rehabilitation. I mean, why not go the whole hog and bring back capital punishment for extreme cases if we're going with this and it's such a big crime. (Yeah, this idea is to please the Police Federation).

Ok now make it so cops who murder citizens get life in prison too.

[QUOTE=areolop;40654632]So then why have separated/elevated charges when you kill a president? His life is no greater than the rest of societys'[/QUOTE] Killing a president is generally treason as well as murder. If you kill a cop it is just murder.

okay i'll make sure on my muderous rampage i only target only paramedics, doctors, firemen, and all the other wonderful people in our society

is theresa may a reptile or is she a human? we may never know

I don't agree with this. But the only 'logical' reason I think of is that the majority of policemen in the UK are unarmed, or wouldn't defend themselves with lethal force so its to offer a little more protection by hopefully (but not likely) making people think twice before trying to shoot or stab a policemen who's in their way, or knocking at the door.

Why does this have so many winners

[QUOTE=RobbL;40657226]Why does this have so many winners[/QUOTE] Because it sounds like a good thing until you actually think about it.

Terrible idea. If we're going to determine the length of someones custodial sentence based on the "value" their victims job had in our society, then I'd imagine you'd get off quite lightly for murdering the inept politicians who get paid to come up with this nonsense. What makes a police officers life more important than a civilians? Because he provides a public service where he potentially puts himself in harms way? What about fire fighters? What about soldiers? Will murderers of doctors get whole life sentences? All these people provide valuable services as well. I don't like the idea that my government thinks my life isn't as important as the life of a police officer

[QUOTE=RobbL;40657226]Why does this have so many winners[/QUOTE] because facepunch

[QUOTE=squids_eye;40657125]Killing a president is generally treason as well as murder. If you kill a cop it is just murder.[/QUOTE] How would it be treason? The president is no different than someone walking down the street other than a job title. Killing a cop should be considered treason then too as they are also federal employees

police aren't federal employees, they are state and county agents.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40657428]police aren't federal employees, they are state and county agents.[/QUOTE] Not entirely true. USPI Police, ATF, DEA, USSS, USMP, USCP, etc. are all federal police officers

[QUOTE=areolop;40657413]How would it be treason? The president is no different than someone walking down the street other than a job title. Killing a cop should be considered treason then too as they are also federal employees[/QUOTE] Its treason because it is usually politically driven and actively disrupts how the country is run. Killing a cop, although tragic, in the larger picture doesn't really make any difference.

[QUOTE=person11;40653460]Having any Life sentence seems like a ticket to overcrowded prisons. Do not end up like the US, rest of the world[/QUOTE] US is far far from the worst for prisons, and justice. And you're saying a proven serial killer shouldn't get life, or be put down?

[QUOTE=areolop;40657454]Not entirely true. USPI Police, ATF, DEA, USSS, USMP, USCP, etc. are all federal police officers[/QUOTE] most people rarely(if ever) see those officers. i generally refer to these guys as "federal agents" instead of referring to them as "police". [editline]15th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JayFeather1337;40657517]US is far far from the worst for prisons, and justice.[/quote] [img]http://www.prisonpolicy.org/images/globalprisonerspercentage.jpg?v=1076455859[/img] our justice system is fucked if we have a bigger chunk of the prison population than china. [quote]And you're saying a proven serial killer shouldn't get life, or be put down?[/QUOTE] is someone who kills a police officer a proven serial killer?

[QUOTE=JayFeather1337;40657517]US is far far from the worst for prisons, and justice. And you're saying a proven serial killer shouldn't get life, or be put down?[/QUOTE] In the developed world, it's arguable the worst.

Prison is supposed to be rehabilitating, life in jail is punishment for the sake of vengeance. I don't see how this is a good idea. [editline]16th May 2013[/editline] It has some deterrence factor, I guess. But just take a look at the death penalty in the US to see how that's faring.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40657523]most people rarely(if ever) see those officers. i generally refer to these guys as "federal agents" instead of referring to them as "police". [/QUOTE] They perform the same essential jobs as any other member of law enforcement. Regardless of name. deputy = officer = agent

I agree wholeheartedly with jailing cop killers for life and jailing killers of gang bangers and other useless people for a much shorter term. They're almost doing us a favour by killing off the unwanted people from our gene pool.

[QUOTE=3com111;40657780]I agree wholeheartedly with jailing cop killers for life and jailing killers of gang bangers and other useless people for a much shorter term. They're almost doing us a favour by killing off the unwanted people from our gene pool.[/QUOTE] maybe we should just pay money to regular people to kill gang members.

I better get a job as a police officer so I get special treatment after my bloody death.

[QUOTE=3com111;40657780]I agree wholeheartedly with jailing cop killers for life and jailing killers of gang bangers and other useless people for a much shorter term. They're almost doing us a favour by killing off the unwanted people from our gene pool.[/QUOTE] that isn't how genes work aaaaaahh

[QUOTE=Bobie;40657161]is theresa may a reptile or is she a human? we may never know[/QUOTE] Therisa May is the incarnation of the devil. She opposed gay marriage and when the party line shifted, realising the gay vote was more important than the old style conservative stand, she did a u-turn. She is a hypocrite and someb ody the prime minister should throw out of the cabinate. I've more respect for somebody who stands for what they believe in than someb ody who courts votes. Fuck her.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40657177]I don't agree with this. But the only 'logical' reason I think of is that the majority of policemen in the UK are unarmed, or wouldn't defend themselves with lethal force so its to offer a little more protection by hopefully (but not likely) making people think twice before trying to shoot or stab a policemen who's in their way, or knocking at the door.[/QUOTE] I don't think the kind of person to kill a cop is the kind to worry about what his prison sentence is going to be.

The police are already given a lot more protection from the law than the average person, they don't need this.

[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40653369]I don't see how killing a police officer is worse. Should be the same for every murder regardless of profession, age, race, religion etc etc.[/QUOTE] By killing a police officer you're reducing their numbers, arguably making the areas they worked less safe, reducing the efficacy or even capability of the police to respond to active crimes. Killing a police officer has a vastly larger negative impact on a community than killing any grandma or white collar worker could.

[QUOTE=Secrios;40658238]I better get a job as a police officer so I get special treatment after my bloody death.[/QUOTE] Your family gets taken care of well by the FOP