YouTube Video Captures 'Artist' Vandalizing Picasso Painting (VIDEO) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400652]Good and convincing argument, but that's not who I was talking about.[/QUOTE] Just curious, but who are you talking about then?

I think it's a bit arrogant to assume that the original artist would be okay with it, especially since he isn't even alive to give his consent.

So, Sanius, I'm a bit confused here. In this thread you say that freedom of expression is absolute regardless if it offends or hurts anyone's feelings, yet in the thread about the portryal of women in video games you called on video game companies to change their ways because the way they portray women in their games is offensive. What gives?

[QUOTE=OHNOES;36400730]Just curious, but who are you talking about then?[/QUOTE] I can't remember her name, never been good with names, all I remember is it was a woman who did literally pour paint, straight from the bucket, onto a canvas or some other surface on the floor.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36400767]So, Sanius, I'm a bit confused here. In this thread you say that freedom of expression is absolute regardless if it offends or hurts anyone's feelings, yet in the thread about the portryal of women in video games you called on video game companies to change their ways because the way they portray women in their games is offensive. What gives?[/QUOTE] It's Sanius. No, really, that's a legitimate excuse for that.

Apart from the fact that it's an utter dick move; the idea is artistically plain stupid and unoriginal. All it will do is cause an outrage (but rather in the sense of "killing a kitten and putting it on youtube", as opposed to "revolutionary art causes an outrage")

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36400767]So, Sanius, I'm a bit confused here. In this thread you say that freedom of expression is absolute regardless if it offends or hurts anyone's feelings, yet in the thread about the portryal of women in video games you called on video game companies to change their ways because the way they portray women in their games is offensive. What gives?[/QUOTE] I said that's it's freedom of expression. I didn't say I agreed with it

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36400868]It's Sanius. No, really, that's a legitimate excuse for that.[/QUOTE] Freedom of expression shouldn't count as a legitimate argument here because this is so clearly vandalism of something that essentially belongs to culture rather than to an art gallery. That would be an example negative liberty, where your freedom infringes someone else's freedom ( i.e. where his freedom of expression of defacing the painting infringes the gallery's/culture's right to their own property not be damaged.) If he instead of drawing on it set it on fire and called it 'art', would that mean it actually was 'art' and not criminal damage and therefore his actions are holier than thou? Of course not! At least you could be consistent with your judgement here!

[QUOTE=Sanius;36399462]if you respected art you would defile it without remorse[/QUOTE] This is literally the worst argument I have seen from you, and that's saying something.

So to this guy, art means painting graffiti over the work of an artist you genuinely respect merely because you respect said artist, and this is some sort of symbolic way of saying you wish to be recognized like said artist? Artists are weird. EDIT: Seriously, they are. Or at least this guy is. He meant literally no disrespect for Picasso, but still defaced (and devalued, I might add) one of his works, as a way of showing his respect. To a layman like me, that seems completely back-asswards, but somehow it makes sense to him.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36400907]I said that's it's freedom of expression. I didn't say I agreed with it[/QUOTE] that painting was worth a lot of money, if I went into your house and smashed it up in the name of art would that be 'freedom of expression'? and what does that statement even mean besides exercizing one's free will. You sound like an anarchist. [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36399462]if you respected art you would defile it without remorse[/QUOTE] stop trying to sound cool and artsy, you just come across as a pretentious git.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36401010]This is literally the worst argument I have seen from you, and that's saying something.[/QUOTE] no its not a bad argument here watch if you respected a man, you would kill him without remorse ...wait... if you respected a car, you would crash it without remorse ok wait wtf am I even saying?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36399457]Yea, what the fuck? Art is supposed to represent something! [img]http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1999.363.35.jpg[/img] This is absolutely disgraceful, just a bunch of shapes and lines that don't resemble anything![/QUOTE] I see war.

What is next, somebody is going to draw a mustache on the Mona Lisa because of some nutjob 'respecting' Leo da Vinci's work?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;36401604]Yeah man I know a thing or two about freedom of expression. 7th great/Year seven? Freely expressed pencil-drawn dicks all over school desks. ART. FREEDOM.[/QUOTE] [thumb]http://www.missionmission.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dick-tater.jpg[/thumb] artistic

Regardless of his artistic intention, modifying the original historic work in a way that is just branding it with your stupid pen name is unacceptable. If he wanted to make prints of modified versions of the image, that is acceptable. If he wanted to tag a rough version of the original on walls with his modification, that'd be fine too. I accept that he may have had some intention other than self promotion (highly unlikely), but to lay a crappy stencil on top of an amazing piece is utter bullshit.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36400907]I said that's it's freedom of expression. I didn't say I agreed with it[/QUOTE] Actually, you told the gaming industry to stop expressing their freedom of expression because it was offending women, now when we want this guy to stop expressing his freedom of expression because he destroyed someone elses property you're telling us it's okay to offend people. If he had drew an unrealistic pornographic drawing of a woman over the painting, I have to wonder if you'd defend it as "freedom of expression" or call it out for enforcing the patriarchy.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401879]Actually, you told the gaming industry to stop expressing their freedom of expression because it was offending women, now when we want this guy to stop expressing his freedom of expression because he destroyed someone elses property you're telling us it's okay to offend people. [/QUOTE] no actually all I said was that he's expressing himself [editline]1[/editline] and he's expressing himself in a way which doesn't reinfornce harmful gender roles and stereotypes so idk why you're bringing that up as if it has any relevance

[QUOTE=Sanius;36401893]no actually all I said was that he's expressing himself[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sanius;36399808]actually yes that's exactly what freedom of expression is. the fact that it hurts your feelings doesn't change anything[/QUOTE] So the fact that it hurts our feelings doesn't change drawing all over someone elses private property, but negatively portraying women in video games must stop because it hurts women's feelings?

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401904][/QUOTE] yes thank you for quoting my post wherein I said that he's expressing himself what exactly is your point [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401904]So the fact that it hurts our feelings doesn't change drawing all over someone elses private property, but negatively portraying women in video games must stop because it hurts women's feelings?[/QUOTE] is english your first language?

[QUOTE=Sanius;36401919]yes thank you for quoting my post wherein I said that he's expressing himself what exactly is your point[/QUOTE] My point it: Person draws all over someone elses private property, offending people. It's okay, it's freedom of expression. Video game company negatively portrays women in video games, offending women. It's not okay because it's offending people. [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36401919]yes thank you for quoting my post wherein I said that he's expressing himself what exactly is your point [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] is english your first language?[/QUOTE] Oh boo hoo, I messed up that one sentence, just go rate my post dumb 30 seconds after I posted it like you've been doing for the past few hours.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401951]My point it: Person draws all over someone elses private property, offending people. It's okay, it's freedom of expression. Video game company negatively portrays women in video games, offending women. It's not okay because it's offending people. [/QUOTE] that's nice and all but I haven't said anything like that to begin with

[QUOTE=Sanius;36401893]no actually all I said was that he's expressing himself [editline]1[/editline] and he's expressing himself in a way which doesn't reinfornce harmful gender roles and stereotypes so idk why you're bringing that up as if it has any relevance[/QUOTE] And if he did express himself in a way which did reinforce harmful gender roles and stereotypes?

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36399818]Well hey, at least Picasso actually came up with something to draw, better than that woman who made a career out of dumping paint buckets on the floor.[/QUOTE] art is completely subjective dude

[QUOTE=Sanius;36401919] is english your first language?[/QUOTE] You're literally the biggest joke on facepunch.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401986]And if he did express himself in a way which did reinforce harmful gender roles and stereotypes?[/QUOTE] Jesus christ. You can call something art and disagree with the message in it. I fucking hate the Mona Lisa but I won't call for it to be taken down because of my opinion on it.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36401951] Oh boo hoo, I messed up that one sentence, just go rate my post dumb 30 seconds after I posted it like you've been doing for the past few hours.[/QUOTE] I asked not because your post made no sense but because you've completely missed my point and have continually been putting words into my mouth

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36402023]Jesus christ. You can call something art and disagree with the message in it. I fucking hate the Mona Lisa but I won't call for it to be taken down because of my opinion on it.[/QUOTE] I agree, I would simply disagree with the message and be on with it. Sanius, however, insisted the entire gaming industry had to change their message because it was supposedly offending people. Now Sanius is saying the exact opposite in this thread. I'm simply trying to comprehend the logic here.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36401919] is english your first language?[/QUOTE] You are a massive asshole.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36402043]I agree, I would simply disagree with the message and be on with it. Sanius, however, insisted the entire gaming industry had to change their message because it was supposedly offending people. Now Sanius is saying the exact opposite in this thread. I'm simply trying to comprehend the logic here.[/QUOTE] I've said no such thing. please drop the persecution complex